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going back a few years, i remember someone saying that matanuska thunderfuck had the highest THC content recorded, above 30%. something to do with the growing conditions in matanuska valley. never been able to get any of it myself, anyone ever seen it?

The strongest weed is impossible to say, sorry lampshade.

Yes you can look at the charts and see, oh this one produces 27% THC and this one only produces 23% THC. That's good for a start, but you then have to take in the growing conditions of each individual plant, the harvest time of the plant, harvesting at different times produces different effects.

The CBD gets you more stoned, so makes indica's stronger the longer you leave them. Indica's can have very low levels of THC but still be extremely strong, because they are not about getting High.

There are too many variables to say X is the strongest weed, and to be up to date you would have to measure each batch as if came into the shop to give even a vague reading.

My advice, read the trip reports, they give you an idea of what is good, but let me give an example of changing weeds:

In the 420 over NY, Day 1 Nevilles was far and away the strongest and best weed in 420, Day 3 SSH was the strongest in there, diesel second and the Neville's a very poor 3rd, by day 5 the neville's was tops again, the 'strongest' weed changes by batch. The only way is to go into every coffeeshops, ask the budtender and get their advice. Seriously, strength is a subjective thing anyway. I've got absolutely wasted on stuff with a supposedly lower THC level than others that did very little.

The THC level at the outset is a guide, but how long has it been sitting in the tub degrading etc.

I suggest you stop asking for the strongest weed and just read up on the reports to see which shops generally have the good stuff, then hit the shops and ask the budtenders what their recommendations are

THC is only ONE of the psychoactive cannabinoids is cannabis!!!

A pure THC product will definitely get you high. No argument!!

BUT, in cannabis there are many Cannabinoids! (Over 60 of them and many, but not all of them, are psychoactive!!) In fact, THCV is more than 5 times as psychoactive as THC!! If you could get a pure THCV you would get way trippier buzz than with pure THC!

Also, other cannabinoids moderate the high:

That is only true for SOME of the other cannabinoids (i.e. CBD, and CBN) in cannabis. Other cannabinoids potentiate the high!! That is, they make you MORE high!!

However, if tou like to get stoned, as opposed to getting high, then you might prefer higher levels of CBD/CBN. Hence, you mike smoke some high THC low CBD level grass and not be very impressed!

Strongest weed ----> AGAIN, it all boils down to personal preferences.

So fortunately you can measure the strength of cannabis . Whether you want to use scientific equipment, or repeated subjective tests with time breaks inbetween is up to personal preference.

Really?!? So, how are you going to differentiate between one grass at, supposedly, say 20% THC and one at 21.5% THC without specialised equipment? (Since by your definition, with which I do NOT agree, that the only determinat of the strength of weed is the THC level) Now imagine if the difference is only 0.5% THC? Could you distinguish between them? I doubt it!!! If not then, how. by your definition, could you determine
the "strongest" weed?

Subjective tests = "personal preferences".

The article also says that the highest THC content of weed is 27%. I hope that limit gets broken!

IMO, the given THC values are usually just marketing gimmicks by the seed retailers / coffeeshop owners.

When they give you a THC% do they mean by weight?, by percent of all cannabinoids?, and so on? If it is by weight then do you really think that there is a grass out there that, per gram, contains 0.3 grams of pure THC?

The trichomes are what contain the cannabinoids (THC,. CBD, THCV, etc) I find it hard to belive that 30% of the weight of an oz of bud would be due to the THC, let alone the trichomes!

Do I think that chemists, using the most sophisticated equipment, and doing stuff like fractional ditilation and so on, would be able to get 30% THC, by weight, even out the "strongest" bud? --- >NO!

By the way, the wood nymphs and mountain pixies in the Matanuska Valley come out at night and sprinkle the weed plants with THC, but only in JULY!!

Doh! I just lost a page of writing due to a dodgy internet connection .

This was the jist of my reply to you Soulrider:

I think you speak the truth about the strength of cannabis in coffeeshops, but I believe it is possible to measure the strength of cannabis in general.

If you use weed grown, dryed, cured and stored in controlled conditions, then do scientific and subjective tests using a large number of subjects, it should be possible to compare the results and work out on average which weed is the strongest and which cannibinoids contribute most to the high. The results would hopefully provide a pattern of the weed which most people find to be the strongest. If not, then use more subjects.

I'm going to quickly post this before I lose connection!

In fact, THCV is more than 5 times as psychoactive as THC!!

Are you sure? A quick google search suggests its less psychoactive than THC.

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Also, other cannabinoids moderate the high:

That is only true for SOME of the other cannabinoids (i.e. CBD, and CBN) in cannabis. Other cannabinoids potentiate the high!! That is, they make you MORE high!!

Yes that's true, I was being quite lazy there!

However, if tou like to get stoned, as opposed to getting high, then you might prefer higher levels of CBD/CBN. Hence, you mike smoke some high THC low CBD level grass and not be very impressed!

Strongest weed ----> AGAIN, it all boils down to personal preferences.

So there's different kinds of strength, including stoned and high. It should be better then if we would measure them separately to find the strongest of each kind.

Really?!? So, how are you going to differentiate between one grass at, supposedly, say 20% THC and one at 21.5% THC without specialised equipment? (Since by your definition, with which I do NOT agree, that the only determinat of the strength of weed is the THC level) Now imagine if the difference is only 0.5% THC? Could you distinguish between them? I doubt it!!! If not then, how. by your definition, could you determine
the "strongest" weed?

Yep, please see my reply to soulrider (yes specialised equipment would be needed). I believe it is something which has already been done for medical purposes, if not it probably will be.

IMO, the given THC values are usually just marketing gimmicks by the seed retailers / coffeeshop owners.

When they give you a THC% do they mean by weight?, by percent of all cannabinoids?, and so on? If it is by weight then do you really think that there is a grass out there that, per gram, contains 0.3 grams of pure THC?

The trichomes are what contain the cannabinoids (THC,. CBD, THCV, etc) I find it hard to belive that 30% of the weight of an oz of bud would be due to the THC, let alone the trichomes!

Yep I have wondered about this, and really don't have a clue. Bud's seem to have far too much vegetation to be 30% THC! There's probably a method for it though, and perhaps some coffeeshops do just randomly label percentages!

Do I think that chemists, using the most sophisticated equipment, and doing stuff like fractional ditilation and so on, would be able to get 30% THC, by weight, even out the "strongest" bud? --- >NO!

Well, they can actually get close to 100% THC from bud's, although at this point you can't really count the product as strong weed, it's more like a see through liquid, odourless too

By the way, the wood nymphs and mountain pixies in the Matanuska Valley come out at night and sprinkle the weed plants with THC, but only in JULY!!

That's a damn pain, we'll never know for sure which weed is the strongest thanks to those damn nymphs and pixies!

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Well, they can actually get close to 100% THC from bud's, although at this point you can't really count the product as strong weed, it's more like a see through liquid, odourless too

They can extract almost pure (100%) THC from raw cannabis AND they can also synthesise nearly 100% pure THC from other chemicals!! No argument there!!!

However, if you go back and read what I wrote, you will see that it says "....would be able to get 30% THC, by weight....".

"By weight" means start with, to make this example easy, say 100 grams of the "strongest" bud and then try to (using very sophisticated extraction techniques), as in my previous post's example, extract 30 grams of pure THC from the original 100 grams of bud!!

Do you still think this is possible? ----> NOT ME!!

2) You could get all the types of weed, available from all the current coffeeshop batches (keeping in mind that quality will vary from time to time) and get chemical assays which could tell you the grass with the largest level of THC, by weight, of that current batch! However, the "strongest" one would have to be determined by you own personal preference.

If you prefer to be stoned rather than high, then you might not be impressed with weeds that have little of the "stoned" effects. If another weed, with lower THC, gets you more stoned then you might think that weed is the strongest.

3) As far as I know THCV is far more psychoactive than THC.
In any event, there are cannabinoids in cannabis that will act to potentiate the efffects of THC (just as there are cannabinoids which will tend to mitigate the effects of THC). Hence, the cannabinoid profile (i.e. mix of cannabinoids) in a type of bud, rather than simply just THC might better determine the likely effects of the bud.

4) Subjective testing MEANS subjective preferences!
If you want to run a test of personal preferences using more subjects (i.e. more people) then you would refer to the subjects, collectively, as "the sample" or "sample size". You might just come up with a clear consensus, by this sample's standards, as to which grass is the "strongest".

However, I doubt that you would reach much of a consensus as the sample size grew larger. THat is, as your statistical significance became larger, due to the larger sample size, you would find that the preferences start to diverge.

To sum up, you could say that your sample of, say, 10 people that one particular grass was the strongest, but this result would, likely, not generalise to the population, as a whole.

They can extract almost pure (100%) THC from raw cannabis AND they can also synthesise nearly 100% pure THC from other chemicals!! No argument there!!!

However, if you go back and read what I wrote, you will see that it says "....would be able to get 30% THC, by weight....".

"By weight" means start with, to make this example easy, say 100 grams of the "strongest" bud and then try to (using very sophisticated extraction techniques), as in my previous post's example, extract 30 grams of pure THC from the original 100 grams of bud!!

Do you still think this is possible? ----> NOT ME!!

Thanks for explaining "By weight". It may be possible, but does seem unlikely! Is THC light???

2) You could get all the types of weed, available from all the current coffeeshop batches (keeping in mind that quality will vary from time to time) and get chemical assays which could tell you the grass with the largest level of THC, by weight, of that current batch! However, the "strongest" one would have to be determined by you own personal preference.

If you prefer to be stoned rather than high, then you might not be impressed with weeds that have little of the "stoned" effects. If another weed, with lower THC, gets you more stoned then you might think that weed is the strongest.

Yes, so then it would be better to test for two things: "Stoneyness" and "highness". This way you'll discover the strongest of both kinds.

4) Subjective testing MEANS subjective preferences!
If you want to run a test of personal preferences using more subjects (i.e. more people) then you would refer to the subjects, collectively, as "the sample" or "sample size". You might just come up with a clear consensus, by this sample's standards, as to which grass is the "strongest".

However, I doubt that you would reach much of a consensus as the sample size grew larger. THat is, as your statistical significance became larger, due to the larger sample size, you would find that the preferences start to diverge.

To sum up, you could say that your sample of, say, 10 people that one particular grass was the strongest, but this result would, likely, not generalise to the population, as a whole.

Well I think that the more people you have in the experiment, the more accurate and widely generalisable the results will be, and the more obvious the winner . I would place a bet on a haze being the strongest "high", and a skunk being the strongest "stone". But I would only place a bet if those pixies were given a large terminator joint!!

Lampshade, I can now reveal the name of the strongest cannabis.

You have proved your worth, so the secret guild has bestowed upon you the right to know the name of the strongest weed.

It is "sour purple hazy chocolate cheezel kush". It can only be purchased at the secret invisible coffeeshop in the middle of Vondelpark.

To get into the shop you must stand outside, in the park, and simultaneously rub both your head and your tummy, with the head rub clockwise and the tummy rub counter clockwise. Seven people must come up to you and say the secret password ""Hey what the hell are you doing?" and then you must pinch the bottom of the first female that you see and then you say to her "Want to make bouncy bouncy?"

You will soon be escorted into the coffeeshop, by the VIP coffeshop escorts, who, strangely, will be dressed in uniforms that look like Amsterdam Police Uniforms. Tell them that you want to be taken to the secret invisible coffeeshop.

I have found that they will take you there a lot faster if you tell them that the secret guild has planted coded thoughts in your head via the 6:00 PM news show on channel 7 and that only you can decode them.

Enjoy!

Adamster wrote:

greenleaf420 wrote:eww the brainstorm hazexg13 yucky they all fucked this one up at the cup. only way to get a pure good batch of this stuff is to grow it yourself. resin haze from resin was fine as shit the other week and kierwiet is strong and bangin, la con. i had sum really good grape ape from local grower

my friend whom lives in amsterdam told me last week that the brainstorm x g13 was the BOMB!
please dont talk about CC or any of that shit tourist crap its 3 months GONE and OVER! since then these strains have changed cause they aint 2000 ppl looking to buy its at the same time nad aint being cut down early for the domand!! and CUP is for NEWBIES whom never been to holland b4!

sigh

i like indicas...

gooble bogger, that's some imagination you have!

At the end of the day, specific qualities of cannabis can be concentrated through breeding, therefore the strongest of each type can be obtained. Whether or not secret invisible coffeeshops are carrying out these breeding regimes remains to be seen. Same goes for the pixies, but I do not doubt their existence!!

USBONGLORD wrote:

Adamster wrote:

greenleaf420 wrote:eww the brainstorm hazexg13 yucky they all fucked this one up at the cup. only way to get a pure good batch of this stuff is to grow it yourself. resin haze from resin was fine as shit the other week and kierwiet is strong and bangin, la con. i had sum really good grape ape from local grower

my friend whom lives in amsterdam told me last week that the brainstorm x g13 was the BOMB!
please dont talk about CC or any of that shit tourist crap its 3 months GONE and OVER! since then these strains have changed cause they aint 2000 ppl looking to buy its at the same time nad aint being cut down early for the domand!! and CUP is for NEWBIES whom never been to holland b4!

sigh

Why bother USBL, just leave him in his ignorance. If he thinks the weed is shit because they harvested it too early, leave it to him. Ignore the fact that he doesn't understand that Greenhouse cure their cup weed for 5-6months, Ignore the fact that we know that Utopia Haze and Grey Martian batches were ruined because they had been left TOO LONG before harvest and had started seeding, and let him continue to think the cup is for newbies, despite the fact that most of the Hardcore cuppites have been to Amsterdam more times than he's been to the toilet, it's just not worth it. That's why I ignored the post first time around. Let him stew in his ignorance.

I think Adamster is jealous. He might change his name to CanadianBongLord in the future. Just playing peeps, no stress.

Adamster wrote:
my friend whom lives in amsterdam told me last week that the brainstorm x g13 was the BOMB!
please dont talk about CC or any of that shit tourist crap its 3 months GONE and OVER! since then these strains have changed cause they aint 2000 ppl looking to buy its at the same time nad aint being cut down early for the domand!! and CUP is for NEWBIES whom never been to holland b4!

Perhaps the strains have lost some of their cannabis cup quality by now, but I doubt there's a big difference? Surely they're still some of the finest?

Reading through previous cannabis cups, I noticed one of the judges was Ed Rosenthal. If you read one of his books, it's hard to conclude he's a newbie!

Having tried the weed from another cannabis cup judge last year, I do hope to be there for the 2009 cup!

I would think that although the batches by now would have lost quality, is it more about getting the strains out there and judging the publics reaction to them? As well as drumming up interest and business for the c/s. The CC for me is too touristy and isnt really the vibe i go for in amsterdam. Amsterdam for me is sitting down with a looza, smoking a joint chatting to people in a chilled out mellow atomsphere watching bikes ride past the windows. Thats why places like Dutch Flowers will always be faves of mine, that view while smoking a joint is what amsterdam is about imo.

But i will attend another CC in my life, its touristy and expensive but it is afterall the stoner community. I go for the celebration of cannabis and the hope that one day we will be able to have events like the CC all over the world. Dont go to the CC expecting too much from it, after all mass producing weed will lead to worse results than if you experimented with gentics and took the time to grow your own. The best weed in world may not be in the CC, it may not even be in Holland, its just as likely to be growing round the corner from your house. Go to the CC for the celebration of the cannabis culture and you wont be disappointed.

Peace.