420

[Ghost]

Have a good 420 everybody, vape up.

[OneForTheRoad]

Had a nice spliff once I got home from work, nice...

Happy 420, everyone...

[Clayman]

420 almost ruined twice. but the cat seems to have kicked up the immune system overnight so no vet for me.

then woke up and thought my car was stolen (been alot of break ins lately in my hood) but after a 30 minute panic a cloudy memory came forward and i found that i had just forgotten i moved it.

now assuming it doesnt rain, im going to bike to Chipotle and get some tacos.

where are my sunglasses

[Kingdoc]

A late happy 4-20 .

[Ingwey Gooblebogger]

420 Vancouver stylee.... a story and some videos

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loca ... lumbiaHome

[TwoCanucks]

420 Vancouver stylee.... a story and some videos

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loca ... lumbiaHome

Speaking from first hand experience, the Canadian legalization movement needs better direction.

It's too focused on both medical and recreational legalization.

By spending an equal amount of effort on both fronts at the same time, the message becomes blurred.

The movement tries to talk medical, then the public gets the impression that pot-heads want medical approval so they can get high.

Just push for full legalization and forget the mixed messages.

Just my opinion.

TC

Edit: Almost forgot, HAPPY 420!

[Ingwey Gooblebogger]

Speaking from first hand experience, the Canadian legalization movement needs better direction.

It's too focused on both medical and recreational legalization.

Well, in Canada, the medical issue was won years ago. Medical MJ has been a fact for years and is perfectly legal. (BUT, you MUST have a medical condition for which it is warranted. You can't get a Medical MJ exemption for bogus conditions). Conservatives always want to chip away at the legal medical MJ, so the medical issue still has to have a high (pardon the pun) profile.

By spending an equal amount of effort on both fronts at the same time, the message becomes blurred.

No, not really. They are two separate issues, hence intelligent people will recognize this fact. The legalization of marijuana, for any usage, is an ongoing battle, which may never be won. Prohibitionists do NOT rely of science and logic, AND many of them have a vested interest in prohibition, so we have a stuggle ahead of us.

The movement tries to talk medical, then the public gets the impression that pot-heads want medical approval so they can get high.

Again, intelligent people will not get that impression. However, the cops try to link these two items, but their arguments are only bought buy those who have already drunk the koolaid.

Just push for full legalization and forget the mixed messages.

There really is no mixed message.

The legalization movement has often tried to go for far too much, when smaller incremental gains might have gotten us a great deal further ahead. Biting off more than one can chew is NOT wise. In an ideal world grass would be legal, but, if we get there, it will likely be by incremental steps. (i.e. First Legal Medical marijauna, then Decriminilisation, then legalization)

Finally, given your problems with the legalization movement, what have you done to help legalize grass?

[TwoCanucks]

Speaking from first hand experience, the Canadian legalization movement needs better direction.

It's too focused on both medical and recreational legalization.

Well, in Canada, the medical issue was won years ago. Medical MJ has been a fact for years and is perfectly legal. (BUT, you MUST have a medical condition for which it is warranted. You can't get a Medical MJ exemption for bogus conditions). Conservatives always want to chip away at the legal medical MJ, so the medical issue still has to have a high (pardon the pun) profile.

By spending an equal amount of effort on both fronts at the same time, the message becomes blurred.

No, not really. They are two separate issues, hence intelligent people will recognize this fact. The legalization of marijuana, for any usage, is an ongoing battle, which may never be won. Prohibitionists do NOT rely of science and logic, AND many of them have a vested interest in prohibition, so we have a stuggle ahead of us.

The movement tries to talk medical, then the public gets the impression that pot-heads want medical approval so they can get high.

Again, intelligent people will not get that impression. However, the cops try to link these two items, but their arguments are only bought buy those who have already drunk the koolaid.

Just push for full legalization and forget the mixed messages.

There really is no mixed message.

The legalization movement has often tried to go for far too much, when smaller incremental gains might have gotten us a great deal further ahead. Biting off more than one can chew is NOT wise. In an ideal world grass would be legal, but, if we get there, it will likely be by incremental steps. (i.e. First Legal Medical marijauna, then Decriminilisation, then legalization)

Finally, given your problems with the legalization movement, what have you done to help legalize grass?

To say the 'medical' side was won a long time ago in Canada misrepresents the current status. Marijuana is not accessible in the same way as mainstream medications, regardless of an exemption permit or not.

Even a so called 'non-idiot' would be confused (in Canada and elsewhere) when medical mj supporters and legalization supporters are together. It is nearly unheard of to see any rally not have wheelchairs and hippies together (and I mean that as a narative not a stereotype). Tell me this doesn't send a mixed message?

Look, I've worked for both the med movement and the legalization movement, attended rallys, helped shoot a couple videos in support and travelled quite a bit, I've come to one undeniable observation:

There will never be fully legal med MJ and recreational MJ at the same time.

It will not happen. No small steps from Med to decrim to legalization. It can't, it won't.

The vast majority of people will be unable to separate how someone can use something for medical purposed and have it be totally acceptable for rec purposes as well. That would open an entirely uncontrollable avalanche of legal consequences.

I know the science of cannabis, i understand it, and will preach it always, but I am also a realist.

Just my two cents.

[Ingwey Gooblebogger]

To say the 'medical' side was won a long time ago in Canada misrepresents the current status. Marijuana is not accessible in the same way as mainstream medications, regardless of an exemption permit or not.

True, it can not be bought in pharmacies. However, it is avaiable in compassion clubs. (THe federal governemnt supply is avaible, but it is expensive and not very potent.)

Even a so called 'non-idiot' would be confused (in Canada and elsewhere) when medical mj supporters and legalization supporters are together. It is nearly unheard of to see any rally not have wheelchairs and hippies together (and I mean that as a narative not a stereotype). Tell me this doesn't send a mixed message?

So, wheelchair bound folks can't be recreational users?
Hippies, that's another good one. All pot smokers are hippies? What about academics, scientists, businessmen/women, and so on, who smoke cannabis? So , you think all rallies should be comprised of only one monolithic (and incorrect) stereotype of pot-smokers, in order to be CREDIBLE?.... THAT sounds pretty idiotic to me.

If the idea that cannabis users are a very diverse lot of people sends a
"mixed message" to you, then I think that is your issue and not one the movement should address. I do NOT harbour such stereotypes regarding cannabis users nor any other groups of people.

Look, I've worked for both the med movement and the legalization movement, attended rallys, helped shoot a couple videos in support and travelled quite a bit, I've come to one undeniable observation:

There will never be fully legal med MJ and recreational MJ at the same time.

It will not happen. No small steps from Med to decrim to legalization. It can't, it won't.

Then, by your views, there will NEVER be any form of legalization!
The incremental steps manner is the most likely means to legalization.

Read your history. The are very few examples of instantaneous large-scale real changes, without commensurate violent underpinnings and/or great personal sacrifices. (i.e. revolutions). I do NOT want a violent revolution, in order to legalize grass and, I suspect, that very few others do. Hence, incremental steps will have a greater chance of achieiving our goals. If, as you say, incremental steps will not work, then, in all likelyhood, nothing else will.

To rebut: Medical MJ, in Canada, is CURRENTLY FULLY LEGAL, however it is NOT freely available, other than in the compassion clubs or the federal schwag or growing your own. (Legal Medical MJ also means that you are LEGALLY entitlted to grow your own OR have a designated person grow for you)

If you live in urban centers, then this is not much of a problem, but of you live in Bumphuck, Northern BC (or Bimphick, Ontario, etc), and can not grow your own or have someone grow for you, then this represents a challenge.

The vast majority of people will be unable to separate how someone can use something for medical purposed and have it be totally acceptable for rec purposes as well. That would open an entirely uncontrollable avalanche of legal consequences.

Again, not if they are, at least, moderately intelligent. Intelligent folks realize that there is a continuity of possibilities, rather than a simplistic binary "on/off" world, in regards to many issues, and to this one, in particular.

Believe it or not, Brandy is still an Rx substance. (That is it is still on list of substances that can be prescribed. This is an anachronistic carry-over from the old days. The fact remains that it is something which can be prescribed.) Would people be confused that someone could have snifter of brandy after dinner, while another person might be prescribed a brandy?
I doubt it!

I know the science of cannabis, i understand it, and will preach it always, but I am also a realist

I, too, know the science of cannabis (among many other scientific disciplines) and I, too, am a realist. For me, being a realist does NOT mean lumping groups of people into stereotypes, nor does it mean that there are only two diametrically opposed facets to any issue.