Happy 420 everyone! I cant believe my bounty

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

i remember some of the black afghani in amsterdam about 8-9 years ago, full of opium

How can you tell?

[geoffk]

i remember some of the black afghani in amsterdam about 8-9 years ago, full of opium

How can you tell?

I'm dubious...

[Pauli Wallnuts]

instead of your fingers becoming sticky when u roll or pick at the hash, they instead become oily, the afghan hash was infamous for the added opium, in the old days it was a small amount in a large bag of unpressed kif, but after the taliban got into power in the 90's they had a big crackdown on opium farms/dealers, so alot of unsold opium was finding its way into the hash (a little money is better than no money). does no-one remember going into a cs 8-9 years ago & having 2-3 different afghan hashes, now its very rare to find more than 1. Get down to it on the leidseplein used to sell something called 'dealers afghan' this was a prime example. when smoking alot of this stuff i used to get a headache.
google it there is plenty of info about

[milehigh]

i remember some of the black afghani in amsterdam about 8-9 years ago, full of opium

I don't and neither does anyone else here I ask including many large hash dealers. Myth busted.

[KUSH-D]

Pauli I had some of this 7 years ago in the hemp hotel one night.
Made the mistake of smokeing with some welsh bloke in there and that night i woke up with all the tell tale signs of opiated hash.

Spoke to some bloke in seedsdirect the next day and both him and gypsy confirmed that there was loads of it about. They showed me how to tell if its clean or not by droping it on the table and listening to the bounce and you can tell by the noise it makes on the bounce.( if that makes sense)

Have not had ghani since.........

[titus wong]

...does no-one remember going into a cs 8-9 years ago & having 2-3 different afghan hashes

That's right. I remember hearing the same thing about dark hashes right after the fall of the Taliban, although I was never looking for opium. I heard Picasso was THE place to pick up some Afghani laced with the stuff.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

i remember some of the black afghani in amsterdam about 8-9 years ago, full of opium

I don't and neither does anyone else here I ask including many large hash dealers. Myth busted.

i dont need to go around asking people, maybe to u its a myth but i HAVE had it a few times but like i said i stopped smoking it because it gave me headache, last year i was in a cs and i was chattin with the budman and he said that the government actually threatened to close down any cs selling that hash, + my friend khalid who is from pakistan said when back home he would never buy pressed hash because of this, only unpressed kif & he would press it himself adding only a couple drops of lambs fat to a bag of kif, and this is from someone who lives alot of the year in pakistan(a source country) not western europe

[extremepain]

If there was opium laced hash it could be a dangerous thing ranging from addiction to OD with a myriad of other stuff in between. NOw, I have a golfball sized piece of Opium, and the texture and feel of it is completely different than hash to anyone who has been around either very much. Hash is an oil and plant material product, Opium is a latex and plant material product. Being a latex, a ball of it has a slight quality of silly putty, it doesnt stick to your fingers like a gooey hash does. If it is for real it has a heavenly floral aroma, that does not smell like: a. patchouli b. any other incense c. any perfume to include Opium by Yves St, Laurent. Opium is often faked in the US, utilizing cabbage mold, incense and any number of other things, even perfumed pot resin.

Im surprised that they were cutting hash with opium in Europe in the late 90s since it is a much rarer commodity here than hash, however I do enjoy making a cocktail of opium and superior polm in the chillum or a bong.

[Trichome_Dense]

pauli wallnuts knows his hash move on people

[Adamster]

Another point to make about these substances. An "opiate naive" person has no real way of knowing their tolerance. Opium itself is nowhere near as pure and morphine, and morphine is not as powerful as oxycodone, and oxycodone is not as powerful as pure heroin. but since heroin is next to never pure, oxycodone is clinically the king of the hill.

Having said all that, I would say the best policy you can follow is to always be with someone, because opiates give you zero warning when it comes to overdose. You just dont wake up from your "nod"

Now opium is fairly mild compared to pharmaceutical derivatives, but it still has its punch, and I wouldn't advise one way or another on smoking it, its a personal choice, but In the few instances it has crossed my bowl, Ive quite enjoyed it.

My dads friend(whom is dieing) was on Oxycodine now on morphine patchs.he gave an 1/8 of one i smoke a joint wit it ive never been that high in 20+years of smoking weed hash ....at one point in the night i started to feel sick my body dont realy react good to opiates drugs since ive stop doin hard drugs in the 90s was sure was goin to die :S but wow i was high at first!

[milehigh]

i remember some of the black afghani in amsterdam about 8-9 years ago, full of opium

I don't and neither does anyone else here I ask including many large hash dealers. Myth busted.

i dont need to go around asking people, maybe to u its a myth but i HAVE had it a few times but like i said i stopped smoking it because it gave me headache, last year i was in a cs and i was chattin with the budman and he said that the government actually threatened to close down any cs selling that hash, + my friend khalid who is from pakistan said when back home he would never buy pressed hash because of this, only unpressed kif & he would press it himself adding only a couple drops of lambs fat to a bag of kif, and this is from someone who lives alot of the year in pakistan(a source country) not western europe

I also came to Amsterdam as a tourist in the 90s. That is when I met Ben Dronkers and Mila Jansen. They have been good friends for many years. We had this discussion several years ago. Somewhere sometime someway in the distant past I have no doubt that some fool mixed hash and opium together. It was never common and it was never available in Amsterdam coffeeshops. I defy you to find one photo or one confirmable fact from a reliable source to prove your statement. It just is not true. It is an Urban myth perpetuated by stories like yours.

I am not trying to argue with you. I am just stating what I know to be the truth and trying to put the myth to rest. I know my hash too.

[titus wong]

mh - well said. pass the peace pipe.

Adamster - love the new avatar. looking at ur old 1 made my head ache.

[milehigh]

btw, I just wikied opium for fun and asked the street price. It said this -

A single pill of pure opium goes for $50-80 (fifty if your lucky)
The opium plant itself (smokable) goes for $130/gram

130X28g(1oz) = 3640 dollars. Expensive stuff.

[starcatcher]

I also came to Amsterdam as a tourist in the 90s. That is when I met Ben Dronkers and Mila Jansen. They have been good friends for many years. We had this discussion several years ago. Somewhere sometime someway in the distant past I have no doubt that some fool mixed hash and opium together. It was never common and it was never available in Amsterdam coffeeshops. I defy you to find one photo or one confirmable fact from a reliable source to prove your statement. It just is not true. It is an Urban myth perpetuated by stories like yours.

I am not trying to argue with you. I am just stating what I know to be the truth and trying to put the myth to rest. I know my hash too.

I suspect that you are probably correct, in that it was probably not ever common or available in coffeeshops. I also don't doubt your credibility as someone who knows his/her pot.

But you can't be certain. You can't actually KNOW this, unless you personally conducted scientific tests on every piece of dope sold in the Dam over the last thirty years, and I'm sure you're not claiming that.

My gut feeling is that these urban myths sometimes (often?) do have at least some basis in fact. It seems unlikely to me that no-one has ever mixed the two, as you acknowledge. If you accept that this has probably occurred at least once, well, the rest is just a question of degree.

It's certainly a very persistent "urban myth" which I can anecdotally confirm has travelled the length and breadth of the United Kingdom.

[Ash333]

Can I put a stop to this. Milehigh is right. Opiated hash is not for sale in coffeeshops.

AFAIK this rumour started in the UK.

There were a load of people used to smoking shitty quality soapbar and the occasional bit of crappy seedy import weed was a treat.

Then along came a bit of Afghan/Charras/NTB...

These people had never smoked anything anywhere near as potent, so they were not used to the high, and the stronger levels of cannabinoids and so they came up with the (stoned logic) opiated hash idea.