Tolerance Accumulation

[stew1974]

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[moby69]

Tolerence does exist as with all things in life your body builds up a resistance to whatever u take,for me when i used to drink it was vodka when i stopped i was drinking 3L a day and not getting any buzz off it and i found the same with weed after 3 days of smoking nonstop it's a waste of time and money as u can't get any more stoned

I have provided the explanation of why tolerance does not exist according to the studies and research of Marijuana and THC effects on the brain. If you have some evidence which proves that there IS a tolerance with marijuana, please post it here rather than making a comparison with Alcohol which was explained away already in great depth on page 3 of the topic If you read page 3, you will also see why you don't get as high after you have been smoking reguarly, and it is nothing to do with tolerance, unless of course you have further information that I don't

So does the word tolerance have nothing to do with any kind of drug taking then.
If so I've heard alot of people talk rubbish over the years.
Surely it is just a word that sums up an aspect of drug taking .
Easier than gettin all technical , call it street speak whatever .LoL
Are we not just getting hung up on a word .
''John can tolerate more weed than Janet''
How can this sentence possibly be wrong ?
And eveyone if they read it , will know what it means.
Even the uneducated ones I'm hoping.

The following link makes interesting reading.
Though they will keep using that pesky 'T' word !

http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/brain2.html

[SoulRider]

Tolerence does exist as with all things in life your body builds up a resistance to whatever u take,for me when i used to drink it was vodka when i stopped i was drinking 3L a day and not getting any buzz off it and i found the same with weed after 3 days of smoking nonstop it's a waste of time and money as u can't get any more stoned

I have provided the explanation of why tolerance does not exist according to the studies and research of Marijuana and THC effects on the brain. If you have some evidence which proves that there IS a tolerance with marijuana, please post it here rather than making a comparison with Alcohol which was explained away already in great depth on page 3 of the topic If you read page 3, you will also see why you don't get as high after you have been smoking reguarly, and it is nothing to do with tolerance, unless of course you have further information that I don't

So does the word tolerance have nothing to do with any kind of drug taking then.
If so I've heard alot of people talk rubbish over the years.
Surely it is just a word that sums up an aspect of drug taking .
Easier than gettin all technical , call it street speak whatever .LoL
Are we not just getting hung up on a word .
''John can tolerate more weed than Janet''
How can this sentence possibly be wrong ?
And eveyone if they read it , will know what it means.
Even the uneducated ones I'm hoping.

The following link makes interesting reading.
Though they will keep using that 'T' word !

http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/brain2.html

All drugs apart from Marijuana have a tolerance. Even Acid, try taking a trip the day after having one, and notice how much less of an effect you have, though it goes after a day or 2.

Also if you read my post on page 2 you will see I have already quoted this. This is the High Times report from 1995. As I have said, the study I was talking about had taken this a lot further and was 7 or so years later, around 2002.

They try and differenciate by creating new terms such as Dispositional tolerance, Dynamic tolerance, and enviromental Tolerance.

Lets substitue the word tolerance for it's dictionary meaning in each of these:

Dispositional diminution in the physiological response to a drug that occurs after continued use, necessitating larger doses to produce a given response.

Dynamic diminution in the physiological response to a drug that occurs after continued use, necessitating larger doses to produce a given response.

Enviromental diminution in the physiological response to a drug that occurs after continued use, necessitating larger doses to produce a given response.

Every time the name falls down with the description of tolerance, because Marijuana requires you to smoke less weed to get more effect, not more. The word Tolerance, by it's dictionary definition is not aplicable to the word Marijuana.

Even that report says:

While tolerance to marijuana has never exactly fit the classic definition, some form of tolerance to pot does develop.

This was the basis of the study that I read, to discover what sort of tolerance. They discovered - NONE, it is the number of receptors in the brain turning off to regulate the flow of marijuana, like a valve or Engine Management System in a car, even a tap. At no stage do you need to smoke larger doses.

Remember, all marijuana does is restore your body to it's natural state of being. When your body has returned to it's natural state of equilibrium, that's where it stays. In balance. This is not tolerance, this is what marijuana does. Marijuana cannot unbalance your system like any other drug can, because mrijuana is an integral part of the human brain

Regular use of Marijuana causes your body to spend more time at it's natural level, operating how it should. You get visuals because you've never used your eyes properly before MJ, you hear things because you've never used your ears properly. As you get used to using these things, you think you have reached a tolerance. No, your brain is now working like you've never used it before, and begins to make sense of all the extra data and is able to interpret all the information coming in without overloading. The marijuana is having the same effect every time, getting your body into balance. Just so happens, the more MJ you smoke, the less you go out of balance, so there isn't such a big difference to being 'high' and being 'normal'. This is not tolerance, it's just because when you are not high, you are naturally more balanced and stable. You then don't see a big difference between the marijuana and normal, so you think you are not getting 'high'.

You're right, you're not getting 'high', but then you never got 'high' in the first place, you only ever got normal. Regular smoking makes you 'normal' more of the time.

[moby69]

So why do they insist on keep using the 'T' word then , why not some other word.
Someone should correct them.
Or maybe just maybe if they keep using it , we can to !
I'm sure if we do it doesn't mean we are junkys to the weed.
Cos afterall I think thats what all this is really about .

[Trichome_Dense]

Look People - TOLERANCE does exist - forget the Scientific meaning for the word tolerance coz that is just BULLSHIT

I didnt smoke for 4 days (from Saturday to Wednesday this week) and my first joint made me paranoid - now it's been like 3 days which I have been smoking and I cant even finish a whole joint on my own... Not without feeling Super Smashed (which I'm grateful for) - Point being - Not smoking WEED for 4 days HAS LOWERED MY TOLERANCE FOR WEED - NOW I ONLY NEED A HALF JOINT. BEFORE I COULD SCHMOKE OUT 6-7 SCOOBS NO PROBS...

SO All this geeky crap which SoulRider has posted is nothing but Nonsense - and people - you are asking a guy who lives in Amsterdam - who is so high all the time - he don't even know if he's buzzing... Get a grip and look inside yourselves - the answers are so damn obvious and this thread is nothing but frustrating.

Soulrider - Take a break from smoking (if you can - bet you can't) and then we'll discuss this again... FULL STOP.

[liquidSwords]

So many posts in this thread and i havent replied!!!!

I smoke weed all day everyday, so i have no tolerance

[Trichome_Dense]

So many posts in this thread and i havent replied!!!!

I smoke weed all day everyday, so i have no tolerance

Should read, I smoke weed everyday, so I have a very high tolerance... lol

[liquidSwords]

So many posts in this thread and i havent replied!!!!

I smoke weed all day everyday, so i have no tolerance

Should read, I smoke weed everyday, so I have a very high tolerance... lol

WHATEVER, its all lies neways, what i ment was that with weed, tolerance dont come into it... U MUG, got some nice diesel pop round!!

[Trichome_Dense]

COMING

[moby69]

Point being - Not smoking WEED for 4 days HAS LOWERED MY TOLERANCE FOR WEED - NOW I ONLY NEED A HALF JOINT. BEFORE I COULD SCHMOKE OUT 6-7 SCOOBS NO PROBS...

SO All this geeky crap which SoulRider has posted is nothing but Nonsense - and people - you are asking a guy who lives in Amsterdam - who is so high all the time - he don't even know if he's buzzing... Get a grip and look inside yourselves - the answers are so damn obvious and this thread is nothing but frustrating.

That'll be your intercepters talkin a beating off the canabaloids !!!!!

[SoulRider]

Look People - TOLERANCE does exist - forget the Scientific meaning for the word tolerance coz that is just BULLSHIT

I didnt smoke for 4 days (from Saturday to Wednesday this week) and my first joint made me paranoid - now it's been like 3 days which I have been smoking and I cant even finish a whole joint on my own... Not without feeling Super Smashed (which I'm grateful for) - Point being - Not smoking WEED for 4 days HAS LOWERED MY TOLERANCE FOR WEED - NOW I ONLY NEED A HALF JOINT. BEFORE I COULD SCHMOKE OUT 6-7 SCOOBS NO PROBS...

SO All this geeky crap which SoulRider has posted is nothing but Nonsense - and people - you are asking a guy who lives in Amsterdam - who is so high all the time - he don't even know if he's buzzing... Get a grip and look inside yourselves - the answers are so damn obvious and this thread is nothing but frustrating.

Soulrider - Take a break from smoking (if you can - bet you can't) and then we'll discuss this again... FULL STOP.

How long do you want me to stop for? a couple of days? A couple of weeks? Dude, I've given up smoking for 6 months or more in the past, so what, it doesn't change a fact

You are reading your experiences of Marijuana as Tolerance, and want to call it tolerance, and that is exactly what it is.

Therefore, you can be happy with calling it tolerance and ignore the thread.

This is for people who want to know more about and the actual effects of it in the brain. As much as you have your point of view on tolerance, you cannot tell me what is happening at the chemical level in your brain. This thread is talking about what is happening at the chemical level of your brain, and not your subjective viewpoint of what is happening.

Yes I always used to say tolerance of Marijuana, because that is indeed what my experience says. However, when I studied it, and discovered what was actually happening, that it is not tolerance, I overlayed that with my personal experiences and could see what they meant.

You can choose to do that, or just keep talking about your tolerance. If your not interested fair enough, but 5 pages of the topic show that at least one person other than me is interested So for their sake, I'll not shut up

I'm sure you have plenty of shit you know at a great level of detail which other people 'don't understand' or get, because they haven't the knowledge you have and just rely on their experiences, but an experience is an experience, how you perceive that experience, is what makes your point of view. And that is different for everyone

BTW, I've only smoked 2g since last friday, I've had no money

[moby69]

Look People - TOLERANCE does exist - forget the Scientific meaning for the word tolerance coz that is just BULLSHIT

I didnt smoke for 4 days (from Saturday to Wednesday this week) and my first joint made me paranoid - now it's been like 3 days which I have been smoking and I cant even finish a whole joint on my own... Not without feeling Super Smashed (which I'm grateful for) - Point being - Not smoking WEED for 4 days HAS LOWERED MY TOLERANCE FOR WEED - NOW I ONLY NEED A HALF JOINT. BEFORE I COULD SCHMOKE OUT 6-7 SCOOBS NO PROBS...

SO All this geeky crap which SoulRider has posted is nothing but Nonsense - and people - you are asking a guy who lives in Amsterdam - who is so high all the time - he don't even know if he's buzzing... Get a grip and look inside yourselves - the answers are so damn obvious and this thread is nothing but frustrating.

Soulrider - Take a break from smoking (if you can - bet you can't) and then we'll discuss this again... FULL STOP.

This thread is talking about what is happening at the chemical level of your brain, and not your subjective viewpoint of what is happening.

Original thread title -


Tolerance Accumulation

[Trichome_Dense]

How long do you want me to stop for? a couple of days? A couple of weeks? Dude, I've given up smoking for (1)6 months or more in the past, so what, it doesn't change a fact

(2)You are reading your experiences of Marijuana as Tolerance, and want to call it tolerance, and that is exactly what it is.

Therefore, you can be happy with calling it tolerance and ignore the thread.

(3)This is for people who want to know more about and the actual effects of it in the brain. As much as you have your point of view on tolerance, (4)you cannot tell me what is happening at the chemical level in your brain. This thread is talking about what is happening at the chemical level of your brain, and not your subjective viewpoint of what is happening.

Yes I always used to say tolerance of Marijuana, because that is indeed what my experience says. However, when I studied it, and(5) discovered what was actually happening, that it is not tolerance, I overlayed that with my personal experiences and could see what they meant.

You can choose to do that, or just keep talking about (6)your tolerance. If your not interested fair enough, but 5 pages of the topic show that at least one person other than me is interested So for their sake, I'll not shut up

(7)I'm sure you have plenty of shit you know at a great level of detail which other people 'don't understand' or get, because they haven't the knowledge you have and just rely on their experiences, but an experience is an experience, how you perceive that experience, is what makes your point of view. And that is different for everyone

BTW, I've only smoked 2g since last friday,(8 ) I've had no money

1 - I give up every year for atleast a month and usually for a lot longer - and out of choice too.(once gave up for a year and 2 months, and enjoyed the break!) But like you say, that doesnt matter one bit, right?

Wrong! How can tolerance be unchanged if once accumulated - the sub-part cannabinoids and their complex relays which stay with the human body, are , over a period of time - released back as free radicals? doest this not indicate to you SR that "Tolerance" does exist and is not a just accumulated - but released back aswell? I mean - Come On!

2 - Reading from my experiences of Marijuana are exactly that SR> Mine! I don't have to read how it affects such and such a psyche on which level etc! What purpose would that serve me? If any?... All i need to know is if my mate is buzzing nicely and I'm happy, no need to get anal about it!

3 - The Thread reads "Tolerance Accumulation": To most and many, this is not only a simple concept, not only the most obvious concept, and not only the most definitive conceptive concept - but a concept which even simple children can understand_ the more drugs you take - the more you need to take to get the same effect! It's called "Tolerance Accumulation" - Now SR you can go write a book about it, go and sing about it, go round and round and round in circles about it like you are here in this thread it doesn't change what it means!...

4 - Why would I want to tell you about what's going on at a chemical level in mine/your brain... Oh you're implying that you could tell me what is going on in my brain - on a chemical level? Without an MRI Scan? Really?

5 - They call this "buzzing" SR (lord help me!)

6 - I'm not the one getting deeply scientific about it - even though I know that I could do a better job than you if I wanted to SR... As I too have studied this subject! back in my twenties!

7 - bet your life savings on it...

8 - Oh, maybe betting aint your best option right now then! ...

Hey bud! Just a point of view - I can agree with that. Nice bouncing with you SR, hope I didnt offend at any point! See you come June! lol

@moby69 - Original Thread Title: Yes I know, why else you think i'm here exposing real morons for who they really are mate??? Come On! Dude being this perplexed over redundant ideas (or ideas which should have been redundant from your experiences of being stoners) - should never have to surface on a site such as this!!! Period!!! Those "threads" are "string theory"... lol Pardon my pun lol Hey, just opinion mate - cant knock it!

Oh - btw this is exactly how I feel about tolerance just so it's Crystal Clear, i'll quot DC from ealier in this thread:

Ya don't avoid it, you kinda just stay semi stoned all the time, topping it up to fully stoned in yer free time. Though ya rarely buy weed from a coffeeshop, which might make ya think yer spending comes down...it doesn't, yer consumption level just goes up, along with the tolerance.

Which is why I have periodic breaks from it every year - to de-tox my system from it, and lower my tolerance!

I think you two - SR and Moby69 are just too damn stoned to think common sense...

[moby69]

And neither would I .

[Trichome_Dense]

Oh, and trust this too SR - I'm hanging around to see what other ostentatious comments you make regarding "Tolerance Accumulation"

Just so if you fall, I'm here to pick you up, you understand - I Wouldn't want a fellow learned stoner with an interest in "Tolerance Accumulation" to get his facts wrong now would I?