Who's Responsible For 9/11?

Pauli Wallnuts · Post by **Pauli Wallnuts** » Sat 9th May 2009 01:11 am

Scientificz wrote:
Pauli Wallnuts wrote:
Scientificz wrote: Weak.

You know fuck all about me, chump. I don't read tabloids for a start.
I know why the Taliban is fighting the US, and hatred is a pretty massive part of it. It's strange how the Americans and brits have managed to train an army and police force in Afghanistan, do you think these are all 'freedom fighters' in waiting? Just looking out for the right time to turn the weapons against the US? What I mean by this (and I feel I must explain myself, because you appear to have a very black and white take on this) is that most Afghans don't hate the US, they hate the oppressive misogynistic regime that has slaughtered their country. And YES I do know that the Taliban have been trying to infiltrate these services.

Oh and sorry for getting the date of the first attack against the WTC wrong. Probably won't sleep tonight over that one..

OH NOES I MADE A MISTAKE ON TEH INTERNETZ IN FRONT OF SOME PARANOIOD PEDANT

PS - why the fuck are you defending the same people who routinely murdered women in football stadiums as entertainment? the same people who banned education, music etc
take it easy u gonna have a heart attack

Excellent, informed response there. Like being back at school, the old adage still counts 'if you have nothing to say, chuck an insult'

I'm not even worked up, just trolling your arse, because it's too fucking easy

Goodnight Pauline.

BADA BING

goodnight my friend, hope the evil muslim butchers dont give u nightmares

Sir Niall of Essex-sire · Sat 9th May 2009 01:23 am

why the fuck are you defending the same people who routinely murdered women in football stadiums as entertainment? the same people who banned education, music etc

Its possible to empathise without justifing....just thought id throw that in there.

Scientificz · Post by **Scientificz** » Sat 9th May 2009 01:26 am

Pauli Wallnuts wrote:
goodnight my friend, hope the evil muslim butchers dont give u nightmares

*wakes up*

they don't though.

You obviously do not understand anything I've said,. either that, or you think you can deduce my opinions about the whole world from these posts.

I'm not a racist, not a right winger, I fucking despise imperialism as much as I do terrorism. Have you ever been a victim of terrorists? I have. I lost members of my family in Ulster. And conversely, my wife is half Turkish, brought up in a Muslim household, I'm not an Islamophobe. It isn't just US AND THEM. You obviously know very few people outside of your comfort zone, if you think that every Muslim wants to fight the good fight against the naughty yanks. I'm not going to say what 'side' I'm on, because I don't see the world like that, and frankly it's no one else's business. The world is much more complicated than your simple stoner conspiracy theories.

It is quite possible for somebody (and most people that I know) to see the benefits and detriments of all sides of the argument. I said in my original post that the US heaped a lot of the shit on themselves. And when I said that all the Taliban know is hatred and war, why did you immediately assume that this was a criticism? This is a fact

Get your facts straight. Get off your high horse and accept a counter to your arguments if you want to start a debate. I'm guessing you wanted to start a debate? you didn't seriously just want to start off a mass back slapping, mutual wanking session, did you?
There are other forums for that, so I've been told.

As I said before, your responses are WEAK. And as I also said before. Goodnight. and I mean it this time.

Scientificz · Post by **Scientificz** » Sat 9th May 2009 01:28 am

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:
why the fuck are you defending the same people who routinely murdered women in football stadiums as entertainment? the same people who banned education, music etc
Its possible to empathise without justifing....just thought id throw that in there.

Yeah empathise with the people of the Afghanistan, the downtrodden, oppressed, TRUE victims of the Taliban. Not the cunts themselves. The regime that makes up <10% of the population

Sir Niall of Essex-sire · Sat 9th May 2009 01:32 am

Scientificz wrote: Yeah empathise with the people of the Afghanistan, the downtrodden, oppressed, TRUE victims of the Taliban. Not the cunts themselves. The regime that makes up <10% of the population

You seem to be confusing empathising with sympathising...i can empathise with those in the Taliban...influx of Western culture, mis-interpretations of the Qu'ran, extreme poverty, American forgein policy perceptions, i can see why it happens. Does not mean i sympathise with them.

DC · Post by DC » Sat 9th May 2009 01:35 am

What would happen if an immovable object were confronted with an unstoppable force?. Keep debating this topic and you'll find out. What does it matter anyway?. Sad for the people that died of course, but sadness regrettably, is a part of life. Unlucky, because they were killed, instead of dying naturally. When the first of us killed another of us for personal gain, we were in trouble. But when the first of us worked out that it's better, not to kill, but to control another of us, yeah....then we were truly fucked. Unfortunately, the first of us incident happened a long time ago and mandkind blew it when it did. The only thing that's changed is the means of murder and the ease in which to control. From bare hands to passenger jets and beyond, what are ya gonna do about it?.......nothing. Unless you want to murder or control too, because it's gone too far to stop it now any other way. Once in a vicious circle it's hard to get out again. Life is too short, it doesn't matter who did it, just that it did and does happen is the only thing that counts. Enjoy life while ya can and maybe you'll stay lucky and get to die of 'natural' causes.

Scientificz · Post by **Scientificz** » Sat 9th May 2009 01:39 am

DC wrote:What would happen if an immovable object were confronted with an unstoppable force?. Keep debating this topic and you'll find out. What does it matter anyway?. Sad for the people that died of course, but sadness regrettably, is a part of life. Unlucky, because they were killed, instead of dying naturally. When the first of us killed another of us for personal gain, we were in trouble. But when the first of us worked out that it's better, not to kill, but to control another of us, yeah....then we were truly fucked. Unfortunately, the first of us incident happened a long time ago and mandkind blew it when it did. The only thing that's changed is the means of murder and the ease in which to control. From bare hands to passenger jets and beyond, what are ya gonna do about it?.......nothing. Unless you want to murder or control too, because it's gone too far to stop it now any other way. Once in a vicious circle it's hard to get out again. Life is too short, it doesn't matter who did it, just that it did and does happen is the only thing that counts. Enjoy life while ya can and maybe you'll stay lucky and get to die of 'natural' causes.

Yeah , you're right

Been a bit wound up this evening (can you guess) and this thread was the icing on the cake. Soz to Wallnuts for the insults, but disrespect is a 2 way street my friend.

Pauli Wallnuts · Post by **Pauli Wallnuts** » Sat 9th May 2009 12:12 pm

Scientificz wrote:
DC wrote:What would happen if an immovable object were confronted with an unstoppable force?. Keep debating this topic and you'll find out. What does it matter anyway?. Sad for the people that died of course, but sadness regrettably, is a part of life. Unlucky, because they were killed, instead of dying naturally. When the first of us killed another of us for personal gain, we were in trouble. But when the first of us worked out that it's better, not to kill, but to control another of us, yeah....then we were truly fucked. Unfortunately, the first of us incident happened a long time ago and mandkind blew it when it did. The only thing that's changed is the means of murder and the ease in which to control. From bare hands to passenger jets and beyond, what are ya gonna do about it?.......nothing. Unless you want to murder or control too, because it's gone too far to stop it now any other way. Once in a vicious circle it's hard to get out again. Life is too short, it doesn't matter who did it, just that it did and does happen is the only thing that counts. Enjoy life while ya can and maybe you'll stay lucky and get to die of 'natural' causes.

Yeah , you're right

Been a bit wound up this evening (can you guess) and this thread was the icing on the cake. Soz to Wallnuts for the insults, but disrespect is a 2 way street my friend.

thats cool m8,i apologise 2 if i offended u, it would be boring if everyone agreed with one another, i dont in anyway support the taliban they are scum but i do support anyone that fights for their country. as some on here who have met me will know, my family are from cyprus, so i know what its like to have an invading force come in to your country. before the 1974 war my grandad had to come to the u.k because right wing separatists (EOKA) were killing anyone who didnt agree with them,the village where my family r from was 1of the worst it was split right down the middle half EOKA the other half who supported Makarios, to this day my grandad says the greek(cypriots) are to blame for the turkish invasion, but that doesnt mean he supported the invasion.my uncle was 1 of the thousands of soldiers who were captured alive by the turks&to this day we dont know what happened to him, after all this though some of my families best friends are turks,if you are ever in cyprus go to the village of Lymbia (20mins from larnaka) u can still see turkish troops situated at the stavros(a hill with a church overlooking the village), my point is however bad the situation in your country is, a foreign invasion is not the answer
i would also like too add for anyone who thinks i am supporting the killing of u.k troops, my 1st cousin is going to be sent out in the next few weeks

darkglobe · Post by **darkglobe** » Sat 9th May 2009 07:43 pm

DC wrote:From bare hands to passenger jets and beyond, what are ya gonna do about it?.......nothing. Unless you want to murder or control too, because it's gone too far to stop it now any other way. Once in a vicious circle it's hard to get out again. Life is too short, it doesn't matter who did it, just that it did and does happen is the only thing that counts. Enjoy life while ya can and maybe you'll stay lucky and get to die of 'natural' causes.

Yup,you nailed it right there...So, because I dont want to"RULE or CONTROL"
anything,I've just got to lay back in my apathetic stupor and let them form their ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT\CURRENCY\RULE\CONTROL...whilst I"Enjoy life while i can" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????/

Thats a total cop out man...

geoffk · Post by **geoffk** » Sat 9th May 2009 07:48 pm

My daughter ran in the Special Olympics. Silver medal too.

ynnos · Post by **ynnos** » Sat 9th May 2009 08:14 pm

[quote="geoffk"]My daughter ran in the Special Olympics. Silver medal too.

[/quote]

nice one man.... how proud you must be !

DC · Post by DC » Sun 10th May 2009 02:42 am

darkglobe wrote:
DC wrote:From bare hands to passenger jets and beyond, what are ya gonna do about it?.......nothing. Unless you want to murder or control too, because it's gone too far to stop it now any other way. Once in a vicious circle it's hard to get out again. Life is too short, it doesn't matter who did it, just that it did and does happen is the only thing that counts. Enjoy life while ya can and maybe you'll stay lucky and get to die of 'natural' causes.
Yup,you nailed it right there...So, because I dont want to"RULE or CONTROL"
anything,I've just got to lay back in my apathetic stupor and let them form their ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT\CURRENCY\RULE\CONTROL...whilst I"Enjoy life while i can" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????/

Thats a total cop out man...

You speak for yerself mate, when it effects my life too much I'm gonna pick up a gun and murder, I said what are you gonna do about it...not what am I.. With any luck I'll die of natural causes first...In the meantime talk about it all you like.

Trichome_Dense · Post by **Trichome_Dense** » Thu 14th May 2009 01:15 pm

Weak! So weak Mr Scientificz - you're flawed logic will be exposed in this post to be just that - WEAK! So weak in fact - that it may be considered broken...

Scientificz wrote:You know fuck all about me, chump.

Chump? thats a lil derogatory aint it Mr Scientificz? Get a lil less emotionally involved - it's not like he was trying to offend you directly - or even trying to offend! Just stating his opinion - take on things...

Scientificz wrote:I know why the Taliban is fighting the US, and hatred is a pretty massive part of it.

Hatred? Are you blind mate - I don't wanna offend you Mr Scientificz - but that aint the truth - these so-called Taliban have a lot of respect amongst the locals - and were actually placed into power locally by the tribes which inhabit the regions - as a way to govern their local activities and to offer protection against other tribal attack - and to regulate caravanning trade routes... What you read about the Taliban on TV and media is all shit LMFAO - I thought you didn't buy all the media hype?

Scientificz wrote: I don't read tabloids for a start

just the tabloids? Mate what you see on TV is propaganda - and - bullshit!!!

Scientificz wrote:It's strange how the Americans and brits have managed to train an army and police force in Afghanistan, do you think these are all 'freedom fighters' in waiting? Just looking out for the right time to turn the weapons against the US?

... and why not? We've all heard first hand accounts of US Soldiers in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan telling us of how they were told to befriend the locals and then - not a fortnight later - after gaining the trust of the locals - were told to kill those whom they had sworn to protect??????????? Infuriating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scientificz wrote:What I mean by this (and I feel I must explain myself, because you appear to have a very black and white take on this) is that most Afghans don't hate the US, they hate the oppressive misogynistic regime that has slaughtered their country. And YES I do know that the Taliban have been trying to infiltrate these services.

They don't hate the so-called "oppressive misogynistic regime" and No! It hasn't slaughtered their country - that is the tribal life they are accustomed to.

It is foreign interest (Ie: USA and UK) which promises the earth and all in it to a country which is mainly full of local tribal communities, and delivers NADA - hear me? Nothing Mr Scientificz - eat on that my friend... Name me one thing which the USA or the UK has done for these countries which the people agree to be a good thing - and you cant!!! Just cant!!! It would be a lot more accurate to state that the "Afghan People" do not hate anyone - just fear for their own survival when all it seems to their humble and tired eyes is that the foreign invaders have come to kill - loot - plunder - rape - kill - loot - plunder - rape - kill - loot - plunder - rape... recurring... I have spent time in Arab countries - and you are very very very wrong... the status quo is very different from what you believe Scientificz! As for you apparently knowing that the Taliban is trying to infiltrate certain services?!?!?!?! How would you know this??? You know a Taliban member personally? Or is this something you "think" is happening?

Dont try and be a know it all - Your opinion is noted and disreagarded by me... I hold mine to be a lot less judgemental and definitely less biased! Factually - you claim you are not influenced by Tabloids - but you talk tabloid talk - so where is the evidence of your "higher understanding" if you can relate and narrate your opinions rationally by giving us factual information - an not factual information which has been collated via questionable sources (US / UK Govt information and collated stats) you understand? Which begs the question - where do i get accurate factual info regarding this? Answer... Talk to the locals in these regions like I have, go speak to the Mufti's of Islam (not Imams - they don't hold jurispudntial knowledge and cannot comment on these issues) go speak to the soldiers who fought from the USA and the UK as I have done - go see what these people are saying and you will never trust your News Networks again - of this I can guarantee...

Scientificz wrote:OH NOES I MADE A MISTAKE ON TEH INTERNETZ IN FRONT OF SOME PARANOIOD PEDANT

Paranoid Pedant? er... dude - have you heard how you sound in your posts? you sound like a hypocritical moron for saying that!!! especially after you said the following...

Scientificz wrote:PS - why the fuck are you defending the same people who routinely murdered women in football stadiums as entertainment? the same people who banned education, music etc

... They didn't ban education or music LMFAO - this is what we are led to believe LMFAO, the propaganda and misrepresentation of the situation in Iraq/Afghanistan sickens me... Do you really expect me to believe that the civilisation which bought us Art/Mathematics/Medicine/Music/Education for Women etc hundreds of years ago is really that backward today - I know it isn't...

As for the "routinely murdered women in football stadiums" - Dude - are you gonna hold the actions of a few bad apples to be reflective of the whole Muslim population of Afghanistan? Iran? Pakistan? what's your problem - you definitely don't break things down in a logical/scientific way at all - how can I take you seriously after that comment?
It aint logical or scientific... Sorry!

TwoCanucks · Post by **TwoCanucks** » Thu 14th May 2009 03:18 pm

http://www.rawa.org/murder-w.htm

Trichome_Dense · Post by **Trichome_Dense** » Thu 14th May 2009 04:31 pm

I don't deny it's happening - but the west should leave the east to deal with their own shit... Otherwise it messes up even more lives...

TC - ever considered the hype???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV_u9aIZUMg

Yvonne Ridley - Former Award Winning British Journalist and BBC reporter who was kidanpped in Afghanistan and jailed for being an American spy (which she never was), was released many many months after her capture - Upon reflection, she realises that the war on terror is a fake war - fought under false pretenses...

Quite annoying for a reporter of her caliber to find all her reported work to be censored so hard and then manipulated so that the report is not only compromised but totally misrepresented and shown out of context?!?!So upon leaving the BBC - She then goes about her investigations regarding the truth about Islam - with her keen and critical journalistic tencaity and eye.

Remember, this lady is an award winning journalist. She finds that Islam is so misrepresented in the West that anything we see on national TV news regarding Islam is portrayed as the religion of hatred - she even mentions that on the internet - go to google and type in "Islam" - you will see that within the next 2 lines the word "terror" or "terrorism" will be mentioned to be a hundred times more likely than if you typed in Christianity or Judaism... it is this kind of censoring and manipulation which we've all gotta be aware of!!! Islam is not a religion of hatred or terrorism - or anything the sort...

She went on to discover that Islam does not take away the rights of women, In fact, Islam is the only religion to give women more rights than men, and more rights over their men... Yvonne obviously did her research here, and after spending time with some Muslim sisters, speaking to Mufti's and Imams regarding matters of jurispudence and faith, she decided to become a Muslim. So it aint all about what you find on the net regarding such and such a person being executed by such and such a rebel group - I got it from the horses mouth (pardon the metaphor and apologies to Yvonne Ridley) regarding the situation on Terrorism and how it is painted in the West / and how it is painted in reality!!!

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