Who's Responsible For 9/11?

[Trichome_Dense]

No stress TD.

Again a couple of points just to discuss with you.

The offical story i meant was the terrorist attack was carried out by a group called Al-Queda, not that it was related to the Iraqie government etc because i think that can be argued logically, and more importantly under a true Sceptical viewpoint, to a convincing stage of certainity.

The point about intelligence knew about it, they may of. However i think the important thing to establish is how much they knew about it. Was it intercepted apparent ' rumours ' over heard, or did they have concrete evidence. It is perfectly likely the Bush administration fucked up the intelligence tbh, before theres an outcry at this, i would like to remind those who disagree the history of the Bush's ability to deal with intelligence post 911. WMD's etc. But that is precisely why i dont think the Bush admin. was to blame, because they imho were not capable of carrying out such an complecated plan.

I did not mean to call anyone a conspiry theorist, i was jsut commenting on flaws found in conspiry theorist thinking. In relation to the film above, the arguments seem very logical, but again we must look at the premis of the argument, which when exaimed, falls to bits. This is not me saying that your wrong if your a conspircy theorist in anyway, im just encouraging you to closely evaluate your logic.

The world has indeed come back from bigger diasters, thats not taking away from 911, but the human nature has a remarkable abilty to overcome.

This word which the worlds media uses to describe trouble makers from the middle east "Al-Qaeda" frightens me to be completely truthful...

Did you know that there is no such thing as an Al-Qaeda? It is a term thought up buy American Propaganda to inflame the American public - giving a name to the unknown group who actually commmited to 911...

If you happen to stumble into any Middle Eastern country - just mention the word Al-Qaeda and check the response of the locals... They will laugh, because - there is no such group. It's an umbrella term used by the Americans and us Brits to pigeonhole any middle eastern person who looks like they don't fit in to mainstream society and could be a danger to it. I'd LOL if it weren't a blatant misuse of our civil liberties right there man! There are rebel groups in the Middle East, Yes - Hamas, Mujahideen, etc etc - but no group called Al-Qaeda hahahahaha that always makes me laugh coz I understand what these Middle Eastern people are laughing at - Americas Stupidity at not wanting to really get to the bottom of the problem/issue - which is - "WHo Is Responsible For 911"... Scapegoatism.

Yes - it is perfectly plausible - no - Likely that the Bush admin tried to mess the investigation up - but messed that up too - hence the leak about prior knowledge regarding the 911 atrocity... I can't say I'm surprised... and yes Sir Niall - I agree that the Bush Admin was not capable of carrying out the plan - but they were most definitely capable of letting the plan happen... that you can be assured of!!! The USA and its' policies are well known to "cut their nose to spite their face"....

With regards to the film posted above - I agree with Sir Niall here also, speculation is theory, and theory is a possibility, not a probablity... and upon further investigation, a lot of these points which seem to hold weight, will be nowt but water after....

The world will heal itself and move on - the episode we have come to know as 911 - will not be looked upon as any big deal by those alive a few generations after we are gone... just another page in another text book - and no doubt subsequent generations will have to deal with the crap of their own modern times... which we have no idea about as we cannot guess at the future. Point being - these events - are not world changing events - events don't change the world... it's people in power who do that. Something I think some of us are starting to forget here... not pointing fingers - just saying that even I can be guilty of this if I look too deeply into 911... which I thankfully don't!...

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

TD i didnt know there was not an actual group known as Al Queda (sp?) I just assumed that there was a group loosely organised by Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban which was refered to as Al Quaeda ( sp? ) Thats very interesting to know, did you find that out through personal experience or is there a site online? I find that a pretty big shock, im sure most people in the world would also find it pretty shocking.

The idea you put forward of passive co-operation i.e the Bush Admin knew it was going to happen ,but didnt actively do anything to stop it. Is for me a little too far fetched, however i can see how it can be alot more plausible than the idea of the Bush admin. planning and carrying out the attacks. I think this theory is an extremely interesting one, and one which should be examined, as its somewhat sceptical and logical, or at least it is the one with most logic which could explain an alternative version of events. However i think it is important to define what the Bush admin was co-operating passively with i.e were the bush admin aware of an outside threat carrying out an attack or an internal agency carrying out the attacks. I think one postion is stronger than the other.

I think 911 is thought of as such an event not only because of the number of people lost, but it rattled america. Americans, not all of course but the majority of the ones i have talked to, were shocked that their were members of the world who disliked america so much. But also it was the first major terrorist attack from an outside group on american soil in modern times. In England we have had a history of attacks, IRA the constant blitz etc. These type of attacks mean that English are somewhat born into a country in which Terrorist attacks have been, not a regular occurance, but an occurance none the less. I think this leads to a vunerability, which English people are used to, but is a new and scary thing to Americans. Whenever a country is effected by this it reacts in strange ways, such as the internment and colusion of Brittish forces in Northern Ireland. So i think the fear and all the patriot act etc were always going to happen, vunerability can result in strange actions being carried out by the state.

[kibby]

September Clues is the best film I've seen about the dreadful 911 hoax.

http://www.thesocialservice.it/

[Lock11]

Indeed, a very powerful documentary- i watch it every few months to remind myself we can`t believe everything the corporate media presents to us.

[DC]

So after 6 pages we're sayin aliens did it?....sweet, knew it all along.

[Trichome_Dense]

... illegal aliens, DC?

[the happy hacker]

Hopefully the truth,whatever it is, will eventually come out...put all our minds at rest.

Sadly, the innocent victims who died that day are always an afterthought to conspiracy theories.

People always want to point a finger and place blame; it's a effort to heal, to come to grip with extreme events or the loss of a loved one.

Who do I blame? I blame decades of flawed American foreign relations and policy for the events of 9/11.

Well said........No conspiracy here.......just bloody minded violence.......

[OneForTheRoad]

I thought "Al Queda" was an Ideology and that these groups around the world commit these acts in the name of Al Queda...

[DC]

... illegal aliens, DC?

Yeah, englishmen in....

[echc1]

you mean it was a "sting" operation???? sorry i couldn't resist it.....personally i blame the smurfs...why?...why not!!?

[Trichome_Dense]

I lol'd

[Denomolous]

'9/11 Conspiracy Theories' discussion

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

... illegal aliens, DC?

Yeah, englishmen in....

A Belfast resident blaming the English for terrorist attacks....well i never



Speaking of Belfast, the 12th was a bit more eventful this year than last...

[DC]

That's cos the 11th was on a Sunday, it freaks them out.

[TRANCE]

I just saw a cockroach.