US 2020 Election Prediction

[macky]

At least his RETARD RALLIES are on hold.

His shows on every day at five eastern time during the week ..weekends for golf

[free_phil_spector]

Wow this threads took off Regulation of facebook etc. Is not about suppressing anyone’s free speech or there right to talk nonsense . But there’s is huge money behind disinformation..there is no rules like newspapers e.g. sue them .
It’s the Wild West . The Sinclair group was given a monopoly on local news by Trump disregarding the rules ,because there right wing and willing to push anything made up by republicans. Trump has his own right wing TV station worse then fox
There mixed in with press pool ,he calls on them to frame there ? To fit his made up reality. Hard to argue with people who are being indoctrinated . Half of them believe people walked with dinosaurs for fuck .......

Again, I couldn't agree more. Unregulated social media/'the internet' has a lot to answer for ("bringing weirdos together" indeed). 30 years ago David Icke was a fringe figure known only in the UK and considered by anyone with a brain to be a crazy loon. Now he's fucking massive and has millions of followers who believe everything he says. And in his wake came Alex Jones, '9/11 Truthers', flat-earthers, antivaxxers...

During the Brexit referendum a member of the british government, on live TV, dismissed a report by multiple economists about how damaging it could be for the country by stating "People have had enough of experts". And it worked. They got their way. (That cunt is still in government btw). The whole thing is a fucking mess.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum. I just wish I'd never been sectioned in the first place.

[OneHighMofo]

...Kinda took me out of context there, mof'! ...I may have over-simplified and understated that, but the context was based simply in regards to when certain people stand up for the constitution like it's the word of God himself, yet seem to be suspiciously quiet if it's not their team on the defensive... Maybe i should have used a better example... Shit, there's plenty of 'em... Pick your policy!

OHMF; Can you mark it tonight, so i can get my grade in the morning?

Hey man - I did wonder whether I'd misunderstood your point (and to be honest I still don't full understand it). Given I've met you personally and you seemed like a genuinely sensitive, thoughtful and intelligent man, I was shocked by the understatement. So apologies for any confusion on my part and thanks for the polite reply and clarification - it's much appreciated. I'm struggling to put myself in the shoes of anyone that thinks the riots in America are in any way useful or justified. And I'm genuinely looking to understand that perspective rather than judge it. I realise what I typed was on the challenging side so I genuinely appreciate the time taken to respond.

As for your marks
10/10 for this statement:

Actually, this is all quite telling...

...No one quite goes after the 'Left', like the 'Left'!

...We cannibalise ourselves in a way i rarely see those on the Right doing.

...This is why the Right are winning the arguments.

Indeed - in fact I'd go as far as saying it's a major reason why the right are winning elections never-mind arguments.
Until we have a cohesive and efficient opposition - the tendency to tyranny of the right will prevail. It's a shame that here in the UK we have a completely ineffective left. I had hopes for Starmer (hell I had hopes for Corbyn until he threw his self-respect out of the window in those final days of the campaign and blatanly lied on national TV about the content of his NHS 'expose'.), but they're fading by the day. They just can't seem to get it together and to my mind are deeply unelectable. They can't even agree between them what does and does not constitute antisemitic racism or who's guilty of it. What a shit-show.

The US seems to be doing slightly better in that respect. They have Tulsi Gabbard, or Bernie. Either of whom's policies I could vote for in a heartbeat given an opportunity. They're moderate, intelligent and focussed on policy not seemingly bogged down in endless myopic judgement of anyone that disagrees with them. Unfortunately the Democrats seem keener to let the radical contingent run amok. Cortez and her merry band of fuckwits etc. Which is terrifyingly where I find myself agreeing with Trump. What a shit-show.
Hopefully Starmer can get a grip on the Labour party and get back to what matters. It remains to be seen. I'm not holding my breath.

No offence but using the "have you asked them all?" line is a cheap shot. Of course I haven't. I can only go by my own experiences and the discourse I have with my friends and that I see on social media. And I'm yet to 'meet' a single Trump supporter who thinks (for example) that the BLM movement is a good thing. Most of them them seem to think it's black people 'getting above their station'. It's a mindset. And not a very nice one.

Indeed it was a cheap shot, hopefully I'd tempered it with enough due-respect so that it didn't seem outright offensive. Apologies if I missed that mark. In my defence, simply saying "I disagree" doesn't quite cut through the language you were using, so felt that I needed a stronger message to get a foot in the door. Reading my post back this morning in light of your replies, my cheap shot isn't the only part of my post that makes me seem like a pompous arsehole so thanks for your restraint.

On a side - but related note, seeing as you mention it. I know of plenty of moderate centrists (and know some personally) that are good people but don't support BLM (the organisation - NOT the idea, which anyone would be a monster not to support) because as an organisation it's been infected by the radical left and is now an outspoken neo-marxist political tool, making the organisation itself impossible to condone for anyone that isn't an outright radical. Myself included; I do not support the idea of defunding the police, in America or indeed anywhere else. I think it's a terrible idea. An I don't think the organisation has done anywhere near enough (recently or historically) to denounce and quell the violent sentiments expressed by a minority of violent radicals within its midst. So unfortunately I cannot support BLM as an organisation. Again - it's seemingly impossible to voice these concerns at the moment without being labelled a racist, fascist or worse. Another prime example of the closing down of debate by the left with an absolute refusal to try to understand the tone of the critique.

I think there's some truth in your statement:

I'd wager pretty much all gun-toting rednecks are Trump supporters.

It's an amusing point that I often enjoy seeing made. But I'd also point out that there is PLENTY of problematic behaviour from the left. Including gun-toting rednecks and outright racism. And perhaps worse (because it's on a much larger scale), a seeming inability to concede any point or even debate a point without judging an opponent as lesser.

The left needs to stop the snobbery, admit and appreciate its failings and move forwards if it want's to be taken seriously by the centre ground, because while ever it screeches and judges the opposing side about rampant unfairness and prejudice while itself being unfair and prejudiced - respect is going to be increasingly hard to come by.

Yes I'm generalising. Yes I'm being unkind, ungracious and using the sort of tone that wins no one over. But that's the bulk of yer Trump supporters right there. And to get back to the point of this thread - they ain't gone away.

Yes - you are. And you'd be an order of magnitude more persuasive if you didn't sound like you were judging them for their bad choices.
Just a thought. I learned this from 40 years of arguing with an unfortunately racist father.

But people have learned nothing from the last four years if they think Biden is a shoo-in for this election.

Agreed - I think Trump is in for another term.

Thanks again for the debate, and apologies again for any place my challenge may have crossed the line of decency. Your understanding is much appreciated. It's respectful discourse about difficult issues that will move the debate forwards. Of that I have no doubt.

Finally:

Regulation of facebook etc. Is not about suppressing anyone’s free speech or there right to talk nonsense . But there’s is huge money behind disinformation..there is no rules like newspapers e.g. sue them .
It’s the Wild West . The Sinclair group was given a monopoly on local news by Trump disregarding the rules ,because there right wing and willing to push anything made up by republicans. Trump has his own right wing TV station worse then fox
There mixed in with press pool ,he calls on them to frame there ? To fit his made up reality. Hard to argue with people who are being indoctrinated . Half of them believe people walked with dinosaurs for fuck .......

Yes, point taken. I have no problem at all with social media platforms being held to a higher standard of editorial control where news publishing is concerned. Apologies for jumping to the conclusion that you were talking about regulation of speech.

[Comus]

the trumpanzees sounding off on this thread show that there is a disturbance in the foil

[Flemish]

74,000,000 people voted against tRump in 2016. He had 63,000,000 votes
He will have less votes in 2020.
He’s done!

[Flemish]

USA vote:
Vote blue = Moron
Vote red = Heartless
Vote orange = Retard

VOTE GREEN Party!

[Willjay]

I’m not a strategist but right now we have 12 people on this thread, 1/3 from the USA 1/3 from the U.K. and 1/3 I’m not sure where your from,

We are not going to solve the problem here but it’s nice that the discussion is civil and I want to have a T&T with you all

2022 I’m turning 70 and hopefully part of that party will be in Amsterdam

So wear your tinfoil hats, wash your hands, keep your social distance, and wear the mask so we can party again

[ed the head]

Amen Brother!

[AzLaker]

I’m not a strategist but right now we have 12 people on this thread, 1/3 from the USA 1/3 from the U.K. and 1/3 I’m not sure where your from,

We are not going to solve the problem here but it’s nice that the discussion is civil and I want to have a T&T with you all

2022 I’m turning 70 and hopefully part of that party will be in Amsterdam

So wear your tinfoil hats, wash your hands, keep your social distance, and wear the mask so we can party again

Nicely put Willjay. And hopefully I can take you up on your offer in 2022.

AzLaker

[ed the head]

I’m not a strategist but right now we have 12 people on this thread, 1/3 from the USA 1/3 from the U.K. and 1/3 I’m not sure where your from,

We are not going to solve the problem here but it’s nice that the discussion is civil and I want to have a T&T with you all

2022 I’m turning 70 and hopefully part of that party will be in Amsterdam

So wear your tinfoil hats, wash your hands, keep your social distance, and wear the mask so we can party again

Nicely put Willjay. And hopefully I can take you up on your offer in 2022.

AzLaker

sounding better and better

[free_phil_spector]

And now Biden chooses a black woman as his running mate. They have learned nothing.

[macky]

And now Biden chooses a black woman as his running mate. They have learned nothing.

You could say that ,I think it just pushes envelope America has a choice . It’s time for better angels or do not not wish to think what a Trump win means what America’s really has be come

[OneHighMofo]

And now Biden chooses a black woman as his running mate. They have learned nothing.

What's your primary concern here? Are you concerned with Biden's motives for the choice or is it something else?

[free_phil_spector]

What's your primary concern here? Are you concerned with Biden's motives for the choice or is it something else?

It's not really a concern, more an observation. If he wants to win over some Trump supporters he's not going to do it by showing how woke he is (whether that was his intention or not, you can bet that's how it will be flung around on social media). Just feels like he's playing to his base rather than boxing clever to get this idiot out of the White House.

[OneHighMofo]

Yeah. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he picked her because of her skin colour unfortunately it would be a typically leftist woke move totally devoid of self awareness and chock full of well meaning yet ignorant and condescending prejudice. Fingers crossed that’s not the case.

Either way he’s playing right into Trumps hands. Who’s on record saying how happy he is about the appointment and I can see why. What little I know of her isn’t great. She’s a hypocrite at best.

Dear me. When they’re outplayed by a man so terminally stupid there’s just no way I could support them at the polls and I imagine a large part of the centre ground will think the same way and end up voting Trump. It’s the same situation here. Get woke go broke.