I see what you getting out. I guess our differing views stem from what we mean by 'legit' here. I think you mean in a little bit more of a 'brand name' only coming from said producers. Whereas I mean stuff of a certain level of quality, and general genetic lineage(s), and (rolleyes) certain geographic origin. That said to me we don't call Amnesias or other hazes not legit despite the multitude of them being on offer from multiple seed-banks. Much akin to how in fact even among these elite producers in California, they've all got their own variants or cuts of each others strains, so whose cookies or gelato is legit Jungle Boyz or Cookies Fam, is JB's at least kinda legit because they're a big well-known/touted CA. cultivator? My point is when the debate gets to that point it's all just semantics.OneHighMofo wrote: ↑Sat 27th Oct 2018 03:51 pmI didn't disagree...
'd certainly agree that if anyone - The Plug proprietors have a direct connect to product that might be called legit from DyingBreed or Cookie Fam. Seens as his business partner is now US based and they seem to do enough Zkittles live-resin runs on the regular to supply at least one Spanish club they must either have a very stable F1 (bagseed) or a direct connect. Maybe that filters to one or two other sources sure. I can accept that.
As for everyone else selling Zkittlez until those seeds were released back in Summer? 99.9999% bagseed. Most likely Spanish grown. And don't get me wrong - there will be some keepers (and stable ones at that) amongst those seeds. But we're not calling bagseed legit. Not on my watch
As for every Cookies bag ever sold in the Dam (until maybe recently - see above). 100% Bagseed. Unless Cookie Fam are lying and are handing out cuts and seeds willy-nilly (hint; they're not).
I don't believe that even the top-shelf is worth more than £5 per gram personally.
Also on the note of the Plug as I said they're also connected tightly with Alien Labs & Connected California who are a bit confusing they seem to very closely linked to one another but also to Cookies Fam, either way they seem to touted as a 'legit' producer or provider of said goods in the States, and I think at least Alien Labs are involved in actual breeding (including cookies, sherb and gelato cross strains). Point is all again all of these guys have their own version of cookies or gelato or purple punch, sherb, etc. but if none are releasing their cuts how's that work, obviously either other breeders have cracked the genetic code or somebody somewhere is releasing cuts, again while still managing to breed their own successful version or at least crosses of many of these strains.
So yes probably 99% is not legit from the big name brand guys, but at least a slightly higher percentage of it is legit in being on the same level of quality and from similarly exotic (to Amsterdam at least) genetic backgrounds.
I wish I could agree about not paying more than 5 quid a gram, but alas I'm not afforded self-sufficient circumstances.