Boerejongens West

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u ever been there allready

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Re: Boerejongens

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mowie wrote:I agree. Production effort <-> price is the main point. Why do such "new school" hashes for 9€/g when you can sell "classic" import hashes at up to 15€?Weed prices are up to 18€/g nowadays. I just can not believe they put a somewhat superior product on the market and keep the prices that low.
My first thought on that was that hash isn´t so popular anymore... I would say the most people smoke weed especially the younger smokers.. In the 90s and before hash was king because there was no indoor weed available. Maybe some moroccans
try now to get new customers because the bloc hashes are more after the taste of the weed smokers. So they try to change their product to sell more in the end... and the price of the hash has to be comparable with the common weed prices...
OneHighMofo wrote:I'm convinced these Block hashes are presses bound with cheap oil - nothing else makes any sense in terms of the cultural traditional methods used by the farmers in the region they're made and in production/shipping logistics or with regards the potency of the final product and its price point.
I agree with that... I tried myself a few block hashes like Super Lemon B., Chocolope B., Amnesia B., Big Buddha Cheese B., Kosher B., AK OG Bloc. and enjoyed most of them some more some less. For me the effect of them is pretty like weed and yes the bloc hashes have not that "punching power" as the Rifman hashes had... it is pretty similar than smoking weed for me.
When I smoke good moroccan hash at home for example (mostly with bong or pipe) I have no problems that neighbours smell it and make trouble... the scent is away very fast and it is not brought in connection with cannabis so easy :lol: but when I smoke bloc hashes the whole apartment smell like good weed :lol: the taste of the most bloc hashes is not as strong as the smell when smoked...

To be honest only the Amnesia Bloc looked a little strange to me... it had a awesome hazy like smell and was dark and creamy (most other bloc hashes from them are not so black). For me it looked like it was covered with oil or something hard to describe like clear lacquer to seal the hash (lol sry for my bad english^^) never saw that with other hash. But the smell was so nice and didn´t find any bad taste or black smoke when burning it by flame so I thought it must not be a bad sign...

On my last trips I talked a bit with Ron the manager of the original Dampkring about their OG Roccan... I asked him what he thinks of that new block hashes. He said only a few are good right now he saw a lot of batches that where not stable enough. He means maybe it take 2-3 years to stable the genetics to get better results. So maybe the not good enough batches he was talking about are the ones from Boerejongens :lol: and the farmers had to use a cheap Cannabis oil to bind it... but that is only a idea :D

I also tried higher priced new school hashes like Amnesia Cream (15€/g) from Betty Boop for example... compared to the usual bloc hashes from Boerejongens it was much more stickier and creamier and also the taste is much stronger and feels clean. Also the effect is stronger like you would expect from a hash that cost much more :lol: the top priced new School hashes are mostly like that...creamy oily like OG Roccan from Dampkring or OG Kush Cream from Betty for example.

The cheaper bloc hashes from Boerejongens are different... well I enjoyed to smoke them and had no problems with nauseau or something similar. For me as a mainly hash smoker it was nice to have more variety in taste and especially high.

Overall I am not sure about the block hashes :lol: I can´t find any black smoke when burning it or a chemical smell or something like that. Maybe they add some terpenes :? or/and use a cheap Cannabis oil to bind it (most probably). I try to find out more about that stuff :D


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On my last Mokum visit, I arrived at Sloterdijk and visited Boerejongens West and Bij, as I've been doing for a while. Normally I'd then walk through Vondelpark to Katsu to have my first smoke, but the weather wasn't all that great and it's fiddly by tram. So I took the tram to Boerejongens in the centre, if for no other reason than to see what onehighmofo called the gentlemen's club upstairs and the best toilet in town.

I ordered a coffee, and went upstairs. Door locked. Called down and they buzzed me in, which took me a while to get, as I was sober but rather tired. I'd noticed the toilet opposite, but it was locked as well. Once I was in the smoking part, I thought it would be easier to wait till my drink was brought up to ask to be buzzed into the toilet, so I smoked a pipe of mixed SSH and AM block.

Coffee arrives, I get buzzed into the toilet, in my haste my pipe is still in my hand, though I don't smoke in toilets. Coming back, I notice the woman who brought the coffee has propped the door open with a stool, and think that this is quite clever. Notice that I have no pipe, having put it down by the sink as soon as I realised it was in my hand. Go back outside and ask to be buzzed into the toilet again. And then realise that I've failed to prop the door open with a stool myself, meaning I have to ask to be buzzed in to the main bit again...

I continued to smoke and enjoy the view, wondering if I'd ever dare to come back. On my way out, I got to talking with the budtender. I told him about this site and the reviews, but he didn't seem interested, and went off on a rant about people who smoked large joints. The conversation wandered off into the question of which days were holidays that week, and turned into a classic surreal exchange. I realised I didn't have to worry about the door problem, what with the budtender being several degrees more stoned than me, or indeed any budtender I'd ever seen. I love this place.
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And this should really be in the thread for the central shop, if there is one, although I was smoking things from the western shop. Ah well.
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Fat_old_dwarf wrote: Coffee arrives, I get buzzed into the toilet, in my haste my pipe is still in my hand, though I don't smoke in toilets. Coming back, I notice the woman who brought the coffee has propped the door open with a stool, and think that this is quite clever. Notice that I have no pipe, having put it down by the sink as soon as I realised it was in my hand. Go back outside and ask to be buzzed into the toilet again. And then realise that I've failed to prop the door open with a stool myself, meaning I have to ask to be buzzed in to the main bit again....
Hehehe - deleuks and I caused similar stoned mayhem with those damn doors.
Glad you enjoyed the experience - it's perhaps a touch sterile as a 'gentlemans club' but at least it's not full of leering old Tories with ruddy faces.
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I picked up some shoreline limited edition from here after having a great experience with the last batch... I light up my joint flame stays on for a solid 10 sec with black smoke from it. Last batch the BT told me they get this after sending a bunch of seeds in Africa that's why it's limited so who knows what they're making it with... Also the cheapest hash madelaine aat 6,50 pg put out a flame for a few seconds just burning on its own... Be careful with this stuff.
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bt recommended mean green looks good for the price
Searching for the best weed !
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Notucan wrote:Last batch the BT told me they get this after sending a bunch of seeds in Africa that's why it's limited .
:lol:
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This Shoreline doesn't taste like shoreline at all ...some fake shit
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I can't believe that Boerejongens have changed their amnesia bloc hash ...... Surely my favourite hash...so strong and tasty ..... i am told they changed it to pollen because the joint rollers didn't like it being so sticky ! ........ I smoke pipes, chillums and bongs and want the RETURN OF AMNESIA BLOC BLACK STICKY HASH !!!!!!
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BRING BACK AMNESIA BLOC !!!!!!!!! :x :( :? :( :( :x
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Re: Boerejongens West

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It must be the batch being unstable ....... Appreciate all the info on the hash productions and will try the og maroc and the cream .... ay suggestions for a replacement hash to the Tangerine Dream and Amnesia Bloc....Something with the same hit ..... The new AM Bloc is much lighter , althought strong as hell it doesnt hit you like the black oily counterpart did .....currently compensating with Ibizla today ..... seems like more old skool hash in taste
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Re: Boerejongens West

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Thanks to JohnnyGiovanni, FatOldDwarf, OneHighMofo, Mowie, Wilbur, Cry Tuff, DeLeuksteNUGS16, HisDudeness, Mokum and Marok21 for your opinions on that one, in fact nothing left to be added!
So after a while trying to get my head around those discussed block hashes here are my 2 cents. First two points
are those others and me already mentioned here and elsewhere for some time while the third one is sort of new:

1. First there was this 'Kiefin'(15-20€/g)Betty Boop started to sell in 2013(time flies)and back then
I thought judged by reports that it might be an alcohol extract of mid grade quality moroccan hash directed at those type of customers looking for a bho-like product from the traditional hash market(as this market for concentrates is quite hyped).
Staff at Betty's were saying it was 10g of their moroccan Jbel(8-10€/g) concentrated to 1g of that Kiefin(also at one point they were admitting pressing some of their moroccan offers respectively resieving them). It disappeared from the menu according to online ones in 2015 and its true origin also never was shown. At Betty's some of these new block hashes came up then too along with the ones at Dampkring and Boerejongens.
So in theory these foreign genetics hashes could be a cheap extract along with some flavouring(either artificial or not).

2. There have always been importeurs getting unpressed pollen into Europe for pressing and/or cutting. Either because
of better quality or for more profit. However, one of those groups may be responsible for those takes on new genetics. While having new respectively different mixing ratios and playing the name game of course. Those genetics from Pakistan and Afghanistan seem to be common like more than ten years easily.
Those were the first ones mixed with resin from original landraces. Then others followed I suppose. And so on.
Another not so serious thought was they're just mixing their kief from mostly tumbled indoor weed sold at coffeeshops with unpressed imported pollen from Morocco for flavouring and getting
away with a fancy name and a few extra euros.

3. Very recently talked to some people in the know about those type of batches and was told there is a really big run
on dutch/new genetics lately at seedbanks. Moroccan farmers buy as much as they can, empty stocks and all that. For example at Dinafem just to give you one name. We're talking about millions of seeds!
Most helpful information after a long time which quite changed my point of few as before thought mostly not locals but europeans(insert any nation) are involved in such growing operations with a few selected fields considering there is still a good bit of classic moroccan around.
Also it always seemed moroccan farmers are not too interested in new methods of harvesting and such.
However, this is a fact now and this source too was mentioning some hearsay that farmers are not familiar yet with these trichomes from the new genetics hash and also started to process half dried plants so this could be another index of unsual texture(new methods). Also ice-o-lators
are produced(personally still with those guys here saying it's not too handy in the hot rif region)and there are
also experiments with bho on a large scale at the minute.
By the way was shown pictures and videos of some cream of the crop foreign genetics moroccan hashish(smallish amount of import too, supposedly only from one strain) and when this wasn't photoshopped that's true
new level shit as I haven't seen anything like this anywhere else before. Really creamy and impressive :shock: :mrgreen: !

Bottom line: As that Ron guy from Original Dampkring pointed out as Marok21 reported we're in a time of change currently and soon farmers handling their shit a lot better(so there are only a few very good batches around at the moment and sold at higher prices at e.g. Original Dampkring. Also the 'Cheese' moroccan by the way is high grade and especially this strain has distinct enough aroma to be recognized even with thousands of phenotypes. The not so good looking ones are sold for less at Boerejongens or Tweede.).
So the better batches will come in more and more. Indeed classic moroccan will only be a matter of time now due to already discussed open pollination and lack of care in the rif area. Still convinced they're still playing their
traditional name game at coffeeshops beside that to make some extra euros as it's still an illegal market with no regulations but lots of hearsay and rumors.
So you still can't be sure you're getting a certain moroccan hash with a certain genetical background but maybe the vague but true hint it's not traditional landrace anymore.

On one side again I appreciate the new approach of moroccan farmers while on the other one I'm put off big time by the fact those farmers and 'breeders' both going the easy way as I don't like feminized seeds they use (for those not too familiar with this topic this is a quick start: http://bigbudsmag.com/the-pros-and-cons ... ana-seeds/ and http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/20 ... ana-seeds/ ).
So at one point there isn't a moroccan landrace anymore but also a somewhat poisoned genepool(Eugenics, anyone :evil: ?)if you know a bit about the process of feminizing seeds(grown them in the past too but
with most of our amateurish breeding projects we used regulars for some reasons mostly)as Alpen Rock on here perfectly put it once it's gonna be
a mish mash genepool(viewtopic.php?f=5&t=42&p=378097#p378097).
Especially as those 'breeders' only seem to sell unstable feminized F1 seedlines with much variation(instead of say two or three stable phenotypes but this is what you get when you order 'seeds' from those types of breeders only selling feminized ones and releasing a lot of new seedlines every year, saying that and looking at the market for seeds since a good while lots of customers seem not to care too so this is then what is called unity, right :lol: ? ).
So then there isn't really a certain flavour coming up with new hash but lots of phenotypes within an unstable trendy weed strain(Power Mega Kush, Girl Scout Diesel Cheese Kush,
Pineapple Shoreline Haze and all that)anyway then producing hashish batches smelling and tasting like a mix of different flavours(while those developed over decades just disappear).
When it comes to texture I'm still sceptical about this thing with processing half dried plants as I don't have personal experience with this in opposite to dry sift.
So maybe half frozen/half dried plants produce this type of sticky stuff and its texture. I mean handrubbed hash is different, too. Should be a matter of research.

So both parties involved, farmers and 'breeders', don't give a fuck about anything but profit again(yes, you didn't see that coming, right? :mrgreen: )! Regarding those
'seedbanks' it's a clever move as they make good profit with unreasonable priced seeds easily(either they are feminized or regular by the way! Totally ridiculous how expensive
those seeds are anyway. old hat.). Business practice of Monsanto and other greedy guts!

Maybe this is even then the beginning of profitable business connection between farmers and those 'seedbanks'
(or farmers stick to their own great genepool then consisting of Dutch feminized genetics pollinated by moroccan/pakistan/afghan seedlines).
Apart from that I too still think you can't really blame uneducated farmers in the Rif for this as they need to make money for a living in this area(no offence intended), especially since
they lost a lot of income anyway when indoor grown weed became popular in the 1990ies so they indeed need a new product to satisfy the masses. Also potencewise as even classic high grade moroccan can't really compete with even average grown weed with new genetics.
At which point we're now is only a matter of speculation again as I don't know about heirarchy(except for omnipresent Money and everywhere else)in the Rif and how many groups are involved in this operation. Also there still will be a demand for classic genetics in the future as long as certain generations of people are around and this will drive up prices on one hand but mayhaps safe the own landrace to some
point.
Personally I'd again like to see both seedlines grown there, traditional as new ones. Better selecting their own moroccan landrace again to recreate something unique in opposite to boring inbred Amsterdam genepool though. Rarely will happen though as demand and money will sort out everything.
Especially as in the end we're talking about an unregulated illegal market. Time will tell.
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Re: Boerejongens West

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Interesting read Jesscass, great input! :mrgreen: :D

A bit of feedback/inquiries:


I.) Some of my other theories about some of these block hashes is that they could be being mixed at several different ratios and components, i.e. not just having some sort of concentrate added (a hash-oil of some nature), but could also be dry sifted from higher-end genetics and then "cut" with some lower grade more "traditional" moroccan dry-sift.

II.) I have indeed talked to a few Moroccan or people that "work" out in the Rif, and have told me bits here in there about the advent of some large-scale bho blasting going on down that way. So perhaps these hashes (any of the "oilier" ones, not just block hashes) are being cut not with an iso-wash based oil but rather a more low-mid grade bho from Moroccan dry sift.

III.) I waver back and forth on this bit, but others have agreed with my initial suspicions that these hashes might be locally produced (even from plant), I look back to point number-one above, and posit that maybe they're dry-sifted/water-extracted from domestic plants and then mixed with imported moroccan dry-sift (likely of a lower grade), that could indeed be a possibility.

IV.) I have to say I am curious, if the lower-end versions are ending up at the likes of Boerejongens and 2e Kamer, then where do you reckon are the higher-end pieces showing up?
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Jesscass
Your reviews /opinion pieces ROCK! Glad to see someone else bother and ponder valid questions. As always the market has the power to push for quality by denying to buy the inferior product, but as there are plenty of people looking for "good" (cheaper) deals it is bound to stay around. I too still crave the pine / sandallwood morrocan landrace hashes of yesteryears ;) Let that Ketama rise again!
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