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I believe that in the UK and in particularly urban areas, the culture of Alcohol is much to ingrained in society.

If marijuana were legalized can you imagine the protest caused by all the alcohol producers, pubs and bars that sell alcohol, and the shops.

The culture of excess would also be somewhat of a problem i believe. Take for example the problem the UK has with binge drinking, the fact that we have young people that drink a ridiculous amount and then act out of character or worse yet need serious medical attention, this makes me think that people would treat marijuana in the same way. simply not knowing how much they could handle and abusing the amount that they consume.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that I believe that overall the general population is to immature to handle legal weed. Similar to what people do with alcohol.

Megarusso wrote:
I suppose what I am trying to say is that I believe that overall the general population is to immature to handle legal weed. Similar to what people do with alcohol.

As sad as it sounds, I agree totaly with that.

In an ideal world, I would legalise ALL mind-altering substances ( I hate the term DRUG ) because in an Ideal world, people would use rational, and common sence and for want of a better word, thier morals, to make desisions with regards to what they ingest, and the following experiences.

Unfortunatly, people in this country are Dumb, and chose not to educate people ( especially children ) about the TRUE nature of mind-altering substances, and the effects that they can, and do, cause.
Instead, they just tow the party line..... " ALL DRUGS ARE BAD!!"
My two pennies.....

Twichaldinho wrote:

Megarusso wrote:
I suppose what I am trying to say is that I believe that overall the general population is to immature to handle legal weed. Similar to what people do with alcohol.

As sad as it sounds, I agree totaly with that.

In an ideal world, I would legalise ALL mind-altering substances ( I hate the term DRUG ) because in an Ideal world, people would use rational, and common sence and for want of a better word, thier morals, to make desisions with regards to what they ingest, and the following experiences.

Unfortunatly, people in this country are Dumb, and chose not to educate people ( especially children ) about the TRUE nature of mind-altering substances, and the effects that they can, and do, cause.
Instead, they just tow the party line..... " ALL DRUGS ARE BAD!!"
My two pennies.....

The only problems associated with illegal drugs, all stem from the fact they are illegal.

Adults should be armed with facts and left to make their own decisions. Who are we to judge?

the only trouble/problems with the drug laws in the uk are the twats that run the country,like a dictatorship without asking the opinion of the people for example; the reclassification of our beloved herb?,where's our referendum like the rest of europe seem to have got on the lisbon treaty?....the list goes on and i cant be bothered,so in protest i fire up another joint and say "fuckem"

echc1 wrote:the only trouble/problems with the drug laws in the uk are the twats that run the country,like a dictatorship without asking the opinion of the people for example; the reclassification of our beloved herb?,where's our referendum like the rest of europe seem to have got on the lisbon treaty?....the list goes on and i cant be bothered,so in protest i fire up another joint and say "fuckem"

Its against the law to protest in this country...

echc1 wrote:where's our referendum like the rest of europe seem to have got on the lisbon treaty?

to my knowledge the only countries given a referendum so far is ireland, poland & czech republic oppose it, but no sure if they will give their people the vote, every other country has signed it, including france & nederlands whos people voted no to the EU constitution, so they changed its name to lisbon treaty & bypassed the people, &they say we live in a democracy i read this in the standard tonight:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... ote-yes.do
Ireland please, if their is a god, reject it, otherwise the poodle is back,
if only the europeans knew how many of our civil liberties this prick destroyed, there would be riots

I did my bit and voted no (twice) but to no avail, sorry guys

colinzeal wrote:I did my bit and voted no (twice) but to no avail, sorry guys

What happened Col? I am really amazed, I thought it would be a no for sure... (you know the way my brain works... fixed?)

Firstly the government used that wonderful political tool the opinion poll to distort the truth and conclude that the original no vote was due to a lack of understanding by the public. see The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer (1970).
I had the opportunity to take one of the surveys used by the government (a friend works in the call centre) and it was absolutely a case of questions worded to elicit the desired response.

Secondly (as is typical is political debate) the far left (no side) did damage to their campaign by using transparent scare tactics and outright lies. This allowed the yes campaign to side-step any discussion of the actual issues at hand and focus on general irrelevancies. Their argument essentially ignored the actual treaty and made this a referendum on Ireland's position within the EU. They claimed a no vote would have us cast out of the union or at the very least have us treated as some kind of second class citizen of the EU.

Add to this the fortunate financial crisis and the true issues at hand were never debated. The Yes side employed their own scare tactics regarding employment and the economy. The basic undertones being that we would be cast out of the EU.

As a result of all these factors the middle and upper classes were sure to back the treaty. The farming community (important demographic) also responded to the threat of lost subsidies by voting yes. The average person was presumably scared enough to do the same, and our growing budget deficits certainly helped to convince them.

It is important that you know this, the Irish people were not given the opportunity to vote on the actual Lisbon Treaty. The content of the Treaty was largely ignored and the people were asked by our government to choose between staying part of the EU or crippling it thereby becoming outcasts of the economic community.

The referendum became a choice of "Yes to Europe" or "No to Europe", the Lisbon Treaty and its contents were irrelevant. Thats how you get people to vote the way you want, change the subject.

colinzeal wrote:I did my bit and voted no (twice) but to no avail, sorry guys

Hey,thanks for voting for me...as an Englishman ,living in Ireland for 20 years ,i'm not allowed to vote...and why did they vote YES ???...Because the Irish population were BULLIED into voting YES...This Country is so FUCKED money wise,its only the EU thats keeping Ireland afloat,,,we're borrowing millions every week just to pay the Civil Service wages and the nearly Half A Million on the dole...

darkglobe wrote:

colinzeal wrote:I did my bit and voted no (twice) but to no avail, sorry guys

Hey,thanks for voting for me...as an Englishman ,living in Ireland for 20 years ,i'm not allowed to vote...and why did they vote YES ???...Because the Irish population were BULLIED into voting YES...This Country is so FUCKED money wise,its only the EU thats keeping Ireland afloat,,,we're borrowing millions every week just to pay the Civil Service wages and the nearly Half A Million on the dole...

No problem, glad to do my bit, sorry it didn't make much difference. If you wanna thank me though, I am currently accepting donations in increments of spliff Free cup of tea to all donors

Twichaldinho wrote:

Megarusso wrote:
I suppose what I am trying to say is that I believe that overall the general population is to immature to handle legal weed. Similar to what people do with alcohol.

OK gonna add my bit now, this country will NEVER legalise it because the USA called it a DRUG and we are American puppets so what they say goes. My comment is yes should be legal to over a certian age poss. 25 as any younger and you have the same as the alchol problem. We see it all the time from kids 14 and up who think it's great fun to get drunk, take on the world, and then spew up, NOT FUN. So what happens with Weed with youngsters from the time they get up, to the time of going to bed one spliff after another and then wonder why paranioa sets in. I've smoked it most of my life and i'm over 60 now but I treat it responsibly and have maybe 2 a night and will stretch to 3 on weekends. When in DAM on holiday I will have one in morning, one in afternoon and a couple in the evening cos i'm on holiday. Now to me that is sensible smoking.
To legalise it now would entail registering with a Doctor (my doc knows I smoke it and says"that won't kill you it's the tobbaca u put in that will kill you") then have dedicated chemists to supply it. This would confirm your age and mentality to smoking and could be a good earner for our government. P.M. DO IT>

colinzeal wrote:

darkglobe wrote:

colinzeal wrote:I did my bit and voted no (twice) but to no avail, sorry guys

Hey,thanks for voting for me...as an Englishman ,living in Ireland for 20 years ,i'm not allowed to vote...and why did they vote YES ???...Because the Irish population were BULLIED into voting YES...This Country is so FUCKED money wise,its only the EU thats keeping Ireland afloat,,,we're borrowing millions every week just to pay the Civil Service wages and the nearly Half A Million on the dole...

No problem, glad to do my bit, sorry it didn't make much difference. If you wanna thank me though, I am currently accepting donations in increments of spliff Free cup of tea to all donors

if you're in Dublin ,I'm about 200 miles from you,but i am there every couple of months...and it would have to be a pure spliff(dont smoke baccy) if thats acceptable...