I never hear about this one...

X · Post by X » Mon 24th Apr 2006 08:21 pm

Cannabis Sativa is very common in all dutch coffeeshops and even abroad manly under the Haze names.. I think its also from male sativa's that we can make clothing and robes..

Cannabis Indica is also very common in dutch coffeeshops (under names such as Northern Lights) and also for their couch-lock effect.

what about the third type: Cannbis Ruderalis............???
I never hear anything about this one.. and it is another cannabis species!! in my wild stoned meditating today

, I was thinking maybe the Thai weeds were in fact Cannbis Ruderalis.. but then reading about them on smoker's guide led me to conclude they were mostly sativa..

anyone has anything to say in order to help this mind tourmenting question?

Peace

Doog · Post by **Doog** » Mon 24th Apr 2006 08:38 pm

Cannabis Ruderalis might not be so popular because it has a lower THC content than that of sativa and indica and wouldn't be worth all the hassle to grow it and then try and sell it in the shops.

Word gets around and shops become less popular etc etc.

Check this out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_ruderalis

Post by **Lemming** » Mon 24th Apr 2006 08:43 pm

Ruderalis is indeed a third sub-genus of cannabis but not for smoking.

Stygian23 · Post by **Stygian23** » Mon 24th Apr 2006 08:56 pm

When it comes to Cannabis species classification there is much heated debate. Some say that Sativa and Indica don't exist and it is all Sativa. Some say they are seperate species, some say they are subspecies of Sativa (Cannabis sativa ssp. sativa and Cannabis sativa ssp. indica). Recently there was a genetic comparison done of plants from different parts of the world and the results were that there is indeed three species. Cannabis sativa (which has no drug qualities at all), Cannabis indica (which would be what we all arbitrarily divide into Sativa and Indica based on morphology and high), and Cannabis rasta (a stronger drug type cannabis). Ruderalis is a disputed species that autoflowers (no matter how much light or darkness it gets it autoflowers at x weeks) and tends to be of lesser quality for drug use. Ruderalis is crossbred with indicas (our indica/sativas) to get plants such as Early Pearl or Ruderalis Skunk.

Here's the article about the Rasta:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns? ... 725175.200

Here is the article in whole:

Rasta lends its name to a third type of cannabis
20 September 2005

AS POLICE and dope smokers know, there are two types of cannabis. Cannabis sativa sativa is mainly used to make hemp, while the indica subspecies is prized for its tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content, which produces the "high". But now Australian researchers have discovered a third type of cannabis, called rasta.

Simon Gilmore of the Canberra Institute of Technology catagorised 196 sample plants according to the DNA in their mitochondria and chloroplasts. The samples included plants grown for drugs and hemp as well as wild varieties from Europe, Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica.

The results showed three distinct "races" of cannabis. In central Asia the THC-rich indica predominated, while in western Europe sativa was more common. In India, south-east Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica the rasta variant predominated. It looks similar to the sativa subspecies, but generally contains higher levels of THC.

Since the study was of DNA rather than a formal taxonomic study, Cannabis sativa rasta is not yet an official new subspecies: the name was the result of a competition in Gilmore's lab. Their work is expected to appear in the journal Forensic Science International later this year.

From issue 2517 of New Scientist magazine, 20 September 2005, page 12

X · Post by X » Tue 25th Apr 2006 12:18 am

interesting..

so.. how do I get a cross bread strain Indica X Ruderalis.. as the article says, they seem more potent! anyone has any ideas?

and so.. a pure sativa does not exist? its in fact a C. Indica Sativa?

confusion..

Stygian23 · Post by **Stygian23** » Tue 25th Apr 2006 04:37 am

Ruderalis is ditchweed. Rasta is the more powerful one. Anything with the word 'Early' in the name usually has ruderalis in it. Generally speaking though ruderalis is crap. If you are looking for the rasta species, it would be found amongst plants from India, south-east Asia, Africa, Mexico and Jamaica.

There is no agreement on if it is Cannabis sativa (Cannabis indica) {Species}, Cannabis sativa ssp. sativa (Cannabis sativa ssp. indica) {Subspecies}, or Cannabis sativa var. sativa (Cannabis sativa var. indica) {variants}. And to make it more confusing, Cannabis sativa is non-psychoactive (basically it's hemp... you make it into rope, paper, clothing, and about 50,000 other things). Cannabis indica (and now apparently Cannabis rasta) is the psychoactive stuff. It comes in two general forms: NLS (Narrow Leaf Strain) and WLS (Wide Leaf Strain). Smokers have erroneously used this phenotypic difference in the plants to seperate it into Cannabis sativa (NLS) and Cannabis indica (WLS). This divide is not based on actual species, but an imposed perception of species (think of it as you having brown hair/blue eyes but your sister has blonde hair/brown eyes... however you are the same species... just different expressions of that species). Ruderalis is a low-THC autoflowering plant that is recognized by some as its own species (Cannabis ruderalis), others as a form of Sativa (Cannabis sativa ssp. ruderalis), and others deny it exists at all and is simply a variant (Cannabis sativa var. ruderalis) of either sativa or indica plants. Shrug.

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Tue 25th Apr 2006 01:43 pm

If your into growing then Ruderalis has quite useful properties.

There is a bit of a craze for indoor growers buying Lowryder seeds. This is a mix of Williams Wonder, Northern Lights and MEXICAN RUDERALIS.

The WW and NL are used to increase potency and the MR keeps the plants dwarfed and autoflowering. Very handy for that wardrobe grow.

They have been around for a while now but everywhere seems sold out at the moment. Lucky I got mine a while back.

Stygian23 · Post by **Stygian23** » Tue 25th Apr 2006 02:00 pm

I didn't mean to imply ruderalis had no value. When I called it ditchweed I meant that a pure ruderalis is not very psychoactive. The crossbreeds don't reach the market by being piss. Proper breeding projects can make all sorts of wonderful things happen, and, like you said, the plants short stature and its autoflowering are handy traits.

nytvd · Post by **nytvd** » Tue 25th Apr 2006 03:49 pm

fascinating stuff, thanks for the information.

X · Post by X » Tue 25th Apr 2006 05:45 pm

indeed interesting!

if anyone has anything more to say, please.. feel free, I'm more than hungry for this kind of info

Redeye · Post by **Redeye** » Wed 26th Apr 2006 04:14 pm

Scott....PM!!

cluster b · Post by **cluster b** » Thu 27th Apr 2006 01:13 pm

Hi,

Heres one text about it (compliquated story)...

From Clarke, the marijuana botany guru who now works for Hortapharm:

So are we smoking any Sativa at all these days?

Actually we don’t smoke sativas, it is all indicas. All the rest of the world’s hemp, drug, medical, seed and other varieties should most likely be called the indica variety. There are four different subgroups of indica that are now recognised.

- Cannabis Indica Biotype Afghanica is what we call Indica now.

- Cannabis Indica Biotype Chinensis is broad-leafed hemp from China, Japan & Korea.

- Cannabis Indica Spontania is from North India, Nepali, Burma. These were called the drug sativas but are now better called Cannabis Indica Indica. (note from me: now "rasta" according to "an australian researcher" ?)

- Cannabis Indica Caferus Anacus may represent the wild “feral” types that the other domesticated subgroups came from.

To make it easier we should just go back to what they look like. Let’s forget about where they come from.

- We should call what we think of as hemp from Europe, as Narrow leafed hemp.

- The other hemp is Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Northern Vietnam. These are broad-leafed hemp. They are not as low in THC or as high in CBD (cannabidiol) as the European ones but they are not drugs.

- And then you have the two drug cannabis gene pools which would be narrow leafed drug high THC varieties - Indian , Nepali, Thai, Indonesian, African, Mexican and Columbian, with narrow leafs and high THC .

- Afghan varieties which are now called Indica, erroneously, should be called Broad leafed drug varieties .

Now of course we have hybrids of narrow and brood leafed but no hybrids of Sativa, the narrow leafed hemp. So actually the only true Indica-Sativa hybrids are hemp, and what people smoke are all Indicas.

http://www.norml.org.nz/modules.php?nam ... nt&sid=588

Also, I've not read this one but it could be intersting: http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/163/1/335 , http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/6/966

X · Post by X » Thu 27th Apr 2006 05:43 pm

right..

I'm completely confused now

Stygian23 · Post by **Stygian23** » Thu 27th Apr 2006 05:55 pm

Scott, every weed you buy at a coffeeshop is going to be pretty good stuff. Don't worry about all this crap. If you want a real heavy stone ask for an indica, if you want a speedy high ask for a sativa. The budtender should know what he is doing and be able to steer you in the right direction.

X · Post by X » Thu 27th Apr 2006 06:02 pm

yea thats what I concluded after realizing I was getting fuck all out of this

the problem you see, is that I'm a biologist, or in fact studying to become one.. so its actually really interesting to me.. I understnad much of this article: http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/163/1/335 that cluster_b submitted.. but then I can't place it into the coffeeshop context..

so whatever.. I'll jsut go with the dealer's tips and all will be fine.. te point is to get stoned after all

Peace.