I never hear about this one...

[Stygian23]

the problem you see, is that I'm a biologist, or in fact studying to become one.. so its actually really interesting to me.. I understnad much of this article.. but then I can't place it into the coffeeshop context..

It's an interesting topic. The problem is that no matter if you understand the arguments behind the scientific classification of pot into one species or multiple species, it has no correlation to what you are dealing with in the world of potheads. Biologists and Stoners use the same terms but with different definitions. Which makes it confusing.

Some dealers might know what ruderalis is, none will know what rasta is. All big name seed dealers will know what ruderalis is, only a few might know what rasta is (the discovery of rasta is quite new). Like I said, just ask the dealer what indicas they have (for a heavy stone) or what sativas they have (for a head high) and they should be able to take care of you. As far as figuring out about how to classify cannabis, reread all the above, and do some web searches. But, as I said, there is no consensus. No overall agreement. This is because in the west it has been pretty much illegal to study the plant for almost 100 years now.

[celebrityted]

hey thought i would just say how interisting this topic is...................

[X]

the problem you see, is that I'm a biologist, or in fact studying to become one.. so its actually really interesting to me.. I understnad much of this article.. but then I can't place it into the coffeeshop context..

It's an interesting topic. The problem is that no matter if you understand the arguments behind the scientific classification of pot into one species or multiple species, it has no correlation to what you are dealing with in the world of potheads. Biologists and Stoners use the same terms but with different definitions. Which makes it confusing.

Some dealers might know what ruderalis is, none will know what rasta is. All big name seed dealers will know what ruderalis is, only a few might know what rasta is (the discovery of rasta is quite new). Like I said, just ask the dealer what indicas they have (for a heavy stone) or what sativas they have (for a head high) and they should be able to take care of you. As far as figuring out about how to classify cannabis, reread all the above, and do some web searches. But, as I said, there is no consensus. No overall agreement. This is because in the west it has been pretty much illegal to study the plant for almost 100 years now.

point well taken and agreed.

thx a lot.

Peace.

[cluster b]

I edited my previous post so it become more clear.

And no, so sorry, it won't be usefull in a coffeeshop context :p

[mason]

I think growers often hyrbridise cannabis ruderalis with a satvia/indica so it flowers quickly

[711]

But is that really smart? I mean, doesn't ruderalis have low yeild and low potency? Wouldn't it degrade the overall smoke?

[mazdog]

I think they cross with ruderalis to get the autoflowering gene.
with proper breeding you can somewhat isolate the genes you want or don't want.

[Rev]

Just had to reply to this one...

Cannabis Rasta is a load of bollocks!

To sum up what was said earlier it is:

Cannabis Sativa Sativa (Heady stone bud)
Cannabis Sativa Indica (Body stone bud)
Cannabis Sativa Ruderalis (Hemp)


Chris

[711]

Cannabis Rasta is some loser scientist "discovering" indica. They're the same thing.

[AmeriSkunk]

Ruderalias is the third type of weed there is also ABC weed from austrailia, ruderalis does not have a normal groth cycle is has a life span, meaning it autoflowers. Ruderalis also has many, many, many fan leaves and this is probably what decreasses the potency, you can buy autoflowering ruderalis crosses, Sensi Seeds has two rederalis crosses Ruderalis Indica, and Ruderalis Skunk wich are both heavily leaved and they are crossed with skunk and an indica. I personaly would not grow ruderalis because of the bud to leaf ratio. You can get an autoflowering Lowrider seeds wich arent leafy.But I have heard that it sucked, point blank there is no reason to grow ruderalis at all, except to cross wich is recessive in everything ruderalis except the autoflowering life cycle

You have any pics of Cannabis Rasta, is that the scientific name of Aussie Bastard Cannabis with the unserrated leaves?

[AmeriSkunk]

Have you ever seen this Cannabis Rasta in person, from what I could find Rasta is probably a different pheontype not species thats why it's not official. If it has thin leaves and gets you stoned like a indica its an indica, anyone who has ever grown from seeds that arent genetically isolated knows that some strains leaves differ from plant to plant, I have melon flowering right now and my best plant has round maple leaves and one has thin sativa looking leaves, and one looks in between, some people say all fat leaved plants are indica, and the thin ones sativa, generally this is true but some strains make fat leaves, medium fat leaves and skinny leaves, all in the same strain on different plants. I think to only way to classify marijuana is by smoking it, Scott did you also know that ripeness affects how high and stoned you get, over ripe weed will make you more tired than it should and makes the high a bit grogy EDIT: IT ALSO MAKES IT TASTE DIFFERENT. There are so many variables in cannabis that no scientist will ever crack this riddle.good luck classifying weed without smoking it, thats where info gets distorted. You cant say "thats an Indica because it has fat leaves" smoke it and then write down the info, then other variables come int play like ripeness, dryness ect.. the list goes on

[711]

I'm going to disagree and say the reason that scientists will never be able to create a definate set of rules for calssifying a cannabis species simply by appearance is the following 2 things:

1) New strains are constantly produced
2) Virtually all strains have been crossbred

[AmeriSkunk]

Crossbreeding does makes it even more impossible to to classify

this is one of the ect's, there are many other reasons why buy mainly because "scientists" don't usually smoke what they're studying