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Smoking ban may apply to small cafes
05 January 2010

The smoking ban in cafes and bars may well apply to the country's 8,000 or so small cafes with no staff, according to one of the country's top legal officials, news agency ANP reports on Tuesday.

The advocate general on Tuesday published his recommendations to the high court, which is due to rule on whether the ban should apply to small bars at the end of March, ANP said.

Last year two lower courts ruled in favour of cafes in Groningen and Den Bosch, which had refused to comply with the ban.

The ban on smoking was introduced in July 2008 to protect staff from the effect of passive smoking. Bigger bars are free to set up smoking areas, as long as drinks are not served in them.

But small bars without staff argue that they should not have to comply because they have no staff to protect.

The top law official said there are grounds in the tobacco laws to ban smoking in cafes without staff, ANP reported, without going into more detail.

Since the lower court rulings, ashtrays have reappeared on the tables in hundreds of small cafes all over the country.

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HELLO, what about protecting the health of the other patrons in the cafe?

This is demented.

Last year two lower courts ruled in favour of cafes in Groningen and Den Bosch, which had refused to comply with the ban.

Surely, that should be the end of the story. The bars that flouted the law were taken to court by the state and WON.

So what next. Will any further legislation to achieve this nazi-style ban be any more successful?

I know a bar in the RLD who lets you skin up with tobbaco,Or be it for a small donation to pay any fines! only 3.80 for a groot,Ive seen it like 5/7 euros just a little bit up the road.

Many, many bars, especially outside of the center, allow unlimited smoking. I love this aspect of the Dutch culture. Pass a stupid law and they saw FUGG IT!

Marco wrote:Many, many bars, especially outside of the center, allow unlimited smoking. I love this aspect of the Dutch culture. Pass a stupid law and they saw FUGG IT!

Yea good on them,& i am a non smoker .

They say 'fugg it' until they take a second fine then they say 'ok sir'.

Kingdoc wrote:I know a bar in the RLD who lets you skin up with tobbaco,Or be it for a small donation to pay any fines! only 3.80 for a groot,Ive seen it like 5/7 euros just a little bit up the road.

Me too. Had to pay or at least, donate 2 euro for an ashtray to smoke. Absolutely fine with me to have a few pints and a smoke with the Dutch. Probably best I don't list the good ones, but just booked another trip to Amsterdam and waiting confirmation.

Kingdoc wrote:Or be it

albeit

I'll stop this spelling and punctuation thing now, btw. (sorry)

TRANCE wrote:

Kingdoc wrote:I know a bar in the RLD who lets you skin up with tobbaco,Or be it for a small donation to pay any fines! only 3.80 for a groot,Ive seen it like 5/7 euros just a little bit up the road.

Me too. Had to pay or at least, donate 2 euro for an ashtray to smoke. Absolutely fine with me to have a few pints and a smoke with the Dutch. Probably best I don't list the good ones, but just booked another trip to Amsterdam and waiting confirmation.

Kingdoc wrote:Or be it

albeit

Nice one man! i am thinking about a 5 day trip to zandvort this summer,Queensday is a bit close & i am on my a**e money wise just now,Going during november thou! brolly n all.

I hear you.
I've got to get to the Dam soon. lol
Anyone else there that time, I'm there (spark one up)

Last time, I was there in November and it was damn cold and even snowed but awesome what with the Xmas lights everywhere.