What Soldier are realy doin in Afghan...

[spidergawd]

As far as I can tell we are trying to hold back the dead malevolent hand of the religionists to give the people a chance to take control of their own destiny. Rather like had to be done in Europe in the middle ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8511271.stm

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

As far as I can tell we are trying to hold back the dead malevolent hand of the religionists to give the people a chance to take control of their own destiny. Rather like had to be done in Europe in the middle ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8511271.stm

I cannot disagree with this.

I'm just illustrating a point here Marco. I believe in Liberities, equal for everyone regardless of nationality.

SG is describing a liberity freedom, a threat to that Liberity, Fundalmentalist Religious zealots. Identifys a way to counter that, a war. Therefore justified.

This makes more sense than, they're our people, they're not, we can kill those and not care but if ours die then we give a shit.

[Marco]

As far as I can tell we are trying to hold back the dead malevolent hand of the religionists to give the people a chance to take control of their own destiny. Rather like had to be done in Europe in the middle ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8511271.stm

I cannot disagree with this.

I'm just illustrating a point here Marco. I believe in Liberities, equal for everyone regardless of nationality.

SG is describing a liberity freedom, a threat to that Liberity, Fundalmentalist Religious zealots. Identifys a way to counter that, a war. Therefore justified.

This makes more sense than, they're our people, they're not, we can kill those and not care but if ours die then we give a shit.

You keep implying that I do not care about the other side, which is not true at all. I simply wished godspeed to NATO troops and success when engaging the Taliban, who I think are generally a bad lot.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

As far as I can tell we are trying to hold back the dead malevolent hand of the religionists to give the people a chance to take control of their own destiny. Rather like had to be done in Europe in the middle ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8511271.stm

I cannot disagree with this.

I'm just illustrating a point here Marco. I believe in Liberities, equal for everyone regardless of nationality.

SG is describing a liberity freedom, a threat to that Liberity, Fundalmentalist Religious zealots. Identifys a way to counter that, a war. Therefore justified.

This makes more sense than, they're our people, they're not, we can kill those and not care but if ours die then we give a shit.

You keep implying that I do not care about the other side, which is not true at all. I simply wished godspeed to NATO troops and success when engaging the Taliban, who I think are generally a bad lot.

Fair dues.

Agree to disagree?

[Stanky Danky]

Let me pose this question Sir Niall, since you seem to find a war against the Taliban as unjust. How would you feel if a group like the Taliban existed in the UK? A group that broke into peoples homes and forced you to hand over your income at gun point. A group that used Brittish citizens as human shields during battle. Would you welcome American troops to rid your country of this disease?

[Marco]

I cannot disagree with this.

I'm just illustrating a point here Marco. I believe in Liberities, equal for everyone regardless of nationality.

SG is describing a liberity freedom, a threat to that Liberity, Fundalmentalist Religious zealots. Identifys a way to counter that, a war. Therefore justified.

This makes more sense than, they're our people, they're not, we can kill those and not care but if ours die then we give a shit.

You keep implying that I do not care about the other side, which is not true at all. I simply wished godspeed to NATO troops and success when engaging the Taliban, who I think are generally a bad lot.

Fair dues.

Agree to disagree?

Done. Have good day mate!

[Marco]

Let me pose this question Sir Niall, since you seem to find a war against the Taliban as unjust. How would you feel if a group like the Taliban existed in the UK? A group that broke into peoples homes and forced you to hand over your income at gun point. A group that used Brittish citizens as human shields during battle. Would you welcome American troops to rid your country of this disease?

I don't think such hypotheticals are really fair. What we need to make sure is that the ideas and ideals of the Taliban are not tolerated in Europe for one second, while remaining an open, free and compassionate society.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Let me pose this question Sir Niall, since you seem to find a war against the Taliban as unjust. How would you feel if a group like the Taliban existed in the UK. A group that broke into peoples homes and forced you to hand over your income at gun point. A group that used Brittish citizens as human shields during battle. Would you welcome American troops to rid your country of this disease?

I will attempt to answer this question as clear a possible, please let me know if it dosn't.

The Taliban was originally a organisation set up to fight against Mujhaideen War Lords, which created alot of crimes rape murder etc in the country. Then was armed by the US and Pakistan to fight the Soviets, again gaining support from people. Then they went on to govern the country according to Shariah Law, albeit in some cases with questionable interpretations. The US then invaded for regime change.

If that was the UK, i would not want American assistence. Firstly, you bring up points like Human Sheilds, would there be a need for sheilds if they werent fighting an invading force?

Secondly, regime change is illegal by international law. So i would not want America to interfene, as they have no right to so by international law.

Thirdly, if a group such as the Taliban were to be in control given by the majority of the population. Then No again. Because this is demorcacy, it is a downside to demorcacy, but the alternatives are worse.

Fourth, fair rule is something that can be only bulit from the bottham up. I wouldn't want America to come in as by imposing their will from the top down, there would not be change in the long term. I would want America to leave my country so that the people can develop and make change for themselves.

Fifth, if we take the real world example of America in Afghanistan of America putting in a leader who is equally corrupt as the Taliban i would not want them to come in to make the country just as bad as it was but with a war to get there.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Done. Have good day mate!

Take it easy buddy.

[Stanky Danky]

Let me pose this question Sir Niall, since you seem to find a war against the Taliban as unjust. How would you feel if a group like the Taliban existed in the UK? A group that broke into peoples homes and forced you to hand over your income at gun point. A group that used Brittish citizens as human shields during battle. Would you welcome American troops to rid your country of this disease?

I don't think such hypotheticals are really fair. What we need to make sure is that the ideas and ideals of the Taliban are not tolerated in Europe for one second, while remaining an open, free and compassionate society.

I think it's completely fair. It makes people see the conflict from a different perspective, and realize there might be some justification for an intervention.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

I think it's completely fair. It makes people see the conflict from a different perspective, and realize there might be some justification for an intervention.

Please dont think i haven't given this thought from both sides. However, i agree with Marco, you can bring up hypothetical situations to justify any viewpoint. I have answered anyway.

[Stanky Danky]

Let me pose this question Sir Niall, since you seem to find a war against the Taliban as unjust. How would you feel if a group like the Taliban existed in the UK. A group that broke into peoples homes and forced you to hand over your income at gun point. A group that used Brittish citizens as human shields during battle. Would you welcome American troops to rid your country of this disease?

I will attempt to answer this question as clear a possible, please let me know if it dosn't.

The Taliban was originally a organisation set up to fight against Mujhaideen War Lords, which created alot of crimes rape murder etc in the country. Then was armed by the US and Pakistan to fight the Soviets, again gaining support from people. Then they went on to govern the country according to Shariah Law, albeit in some cases with questionable interpretations. The US then invaded for regime change.

If that was the UK, i would not want American assistence. Firstly, you bring up points like Human Sheilds, would there be a need for sheilds if they werent fighting an invading force?

Secondly, regime change is illegal by international law. So i would not want America to interfene, as they have no right to so by international law.

Thirdly, if a group such as the Taliban were to be in control given by the majority of the population. Then No again. Because this is demorcacy, it is a downside to demorcacy, but the alternatives are worse.

Fourth, fair rule is something that can be only bulit from the bottham up. I wouldn't want America to come in as by imposing their will from the top down, there would not be change in the long term. I would want America to leave my country so that the people can develop and make change for themselves.

Fifth, if we take the real world example of America in Afghanistan of America putting in a leader who is equally corrupt as the Taliban i would not want them to come in to make the country just as bad as it was but with a war to get there.

So would you welcome troops from Canada to rid your country of a ruthless clan that extorts Brittish citizens at gunpoint since you seem to think that America would want to overthrow the Brittish government? What type of action would you want to see take place against this threat? In your response it seems you would just let this problem fester.

[Marco]

Thirdly, if a group such as the Taliban were to be in control given by the majority of the population. Then No again. Because this is demorcacy, it is a downside to demorcacy, but the alternatives are worse.

I have to disagree with you tooth and nail here. The very foundational values of our society are not up for debate. We are a democracy in the context of values and ideals (which we rarely reach). To allow something so counter to this (such as the Taliban or extremist Muslim views) to gain a significant foothold in any western democracy would be tragic and must be countered.

[doobydave]

How would you judge the integrity of a country who, today, wanted to liberate you from a group that the same country created, armed and funded up until 15 years ago?

How involved would you feel with maxims such as, 'If you're not with us, you must be against us'?

How moral is it, to follow orders to kill? Each of us have the ability to take lives, but when you join the army, you absolve your own responsibility as to who deserves to be killed.

IF our armed force were used only to liberate people from oppressive regimes, then they would have my full support. This is, however, totally and utterly NOT the case. We (the UK) don't go to war unless we're told to, and the yanks don't go in unless they can make a whole shitload of cash.
There are numerous societies with regimes worse than Iraq and Afghanistan, and we let them be.

[the happy hacker]

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