Palin 2012 - Abandon all hope of change

[cattales1960]

ALl I can say is remember when Clinton followed a repubic into the house??? This country was a mess. It took a few years <and a couple of blow Jobs> but he had this country in tip top shape by the end of his 8 years. The county had a trillion dollar surplus. Of course it wasnt all him, it was the party at the time. Bush wasnt in office one year and he had that surplus turned into a 3 trillion dollar deficit. Im sorry but you have to give him sometime. You cant clean up the negligence of the Bush era overnight. IMHO.

[DazedandConfusedinOR]

Clinton?? What are you smoking? Oh wait, silly question - this is a stoner forum!

[Stanky Danky]

Clinton?? What are you smoking? Oh wait, silly question - this is a stoner forum!

Only the best president since Kennedy.

[Uncle Ron]

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The conservative right is moving away from her and the Tea Bagger movement. She may receive some support, but no serious Republican will support her. She will make some noise during the campaign, but she will be exposed for the air-headed puppet she really is when or even if she is debated. McCain was smart enough not to let her debate against Biden. If the VP debate had taken place, Palin would have received such a beat-down that she would have crawled back to Alaska, never to be heard from again. No such luck. Now she has her own cable network, Fox, as in Faux News, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and Bill O' to name but a few of the crackpots she is now associating herself with.
In 2012 when Obama is reelected, all of this will be moot, and hopefully Palin and her ilk will disappear for good.

Peace.

[DazedandConfusedinOR]

I wouldn't hold your breath on that Obama reelection.

[cattales1960]

Clinton?? What are you smoking? Oh wait, silly question - this is a stoner forum!

Only the best president since Kennedy.

I was going to say the exact same thing!

[DazedandConfusedinOR]

Personally, I wasn't alive when JFK was president so I'm not really in a position to comment on his presidency. It would be hearsay. However, I have lived through the Clinton presidency am I watching Americans suffer through the Obama presidency. Go tell all the people who have lost their jobs, homes, and have had their lives destroyed and ask them how they like Obama. Oh, and when you lose your job, which there is a good chance you will, go thank Obama.

[cattales1960]

Personally, I wasn't alive when JFK was president so I'm not really in a position to comment on his presidency. It would be hearsay. However, I have lived through the Clinton presidency am I watching Americans suffer through the Obama presidency. Go tell all the people who have lost their jobs, homes, and have had their lives destroyed and ask them how they like Obama. Oh, and when you lose your job, which there is a good chance you will, go thank Obama.

not that I want to get into arguing over politics, but you seem to forget the big forclosure stuff and job lost started because of Bush, but then again most republicans have a short term memory loss. ( and Im not singling you out dazed, its just that the left side get tired of hearing how once the dems take over in office all the mistakes of the last presidency are their faults). Peace to you in OR.

[geoffk]

Go tell all the people who have lost their jobs, homes, and have had their lives destroyed and ask them how they like Obama. Oh, and when you lose your job, which there is a good chance you will, go thank Obama.

Show me how Obama has caused people to lose their jobs. This type of thinking is indicative of a society seeking a quick fix and not wanting to take responsibility.

I've actually got jobs building our infrastructure thanks to the recovery act. A solid infrastructure is important to a nation. Maybe you like tax cuts and you're in a position to work for a rich person benefiting from such cuts. I've had those jobs too, ie. building a third or fourth trophy home. When I think of tax cuts vs. infrastructure rebuilding, I'm reminded of hurricane Katrina and the I-35W Mississippi River bridge collapse.

One hypocrisy that has really amazed me is I've noticed that fans of trickle down economics are also very concerned about undocumented immigrants. Trickle down economics encourages undocumented immigrants, I know I see it everyday. Check the landscapers on that trophy home. I've personally got no problems with the these immigrants. Government infrastructure jobs (read recovery and stimulus) require paper work from contractors documenting their employees however.

[DazedandConfusedinOR]

To cattales1960 and geoffk:

What I've expressed is just my opinion; don't take it to heart. That's the great thing about freedom: We all are entitled to our opinion. I'm not saying I agree with your opinion, however, I do respect your right to express it.

Here's the thing about Americans: Generally speaking we're impatient, especially when times are tough. No one, myself included, expects Obama to fix things overnight. That said, I do believe that we are far enough into his presidency to see that he is generally ineffective and that none of his campaign promises have been fulfilled.

I'm willing to wait until 2012 to see if Obama can make any progress. I will admit it is a bit unfair to saddle Obama with fixing the mistakes of the past. However, Obama is the one who willingly undertake this great responsibility, thus the onus is on him and should he fail it is he who will bear the responsibility for doing so.

[geoffk]

The party not in power will always seek to regain power by running against government.

[Kingdoc]

Great an ex topless model gona be president?,Ive heard it all now! what a vile woman.

[cattales1960]

To cattales1960 and geoffk:

What I've expressed is just my opinion; don't take it to heart. That's the great thing about freedom: We all are entitled to our opinion. I'm not saying I agree with your opinion, however, I do respect your right to express it.

Here's the thing about Americans: Generally speaking we're impatient, especially when times are tough. No one, myself included, expects Obama to fix things overnight. That said, I do believe that we are far enough into his presidency to see that he is generally ineffective and that none of his campaign promises have been fulfilled.

I'm willing to wait until 2012 to see if Obama can make any progress. I will admit it is a bit unfair to saddle Obama with fixing the mistakes of the past. However, Obama is the one who willingly undertake this great responsibility, thus the onus is on him and should he fail it is he who will bear the responsibility for doing so.

its cool dazed. I respect your opinion too. Like I said I didnt want you to think I was singling you out. Its just the same thought of alot of republicans. Im glad to hear you are willing to wait the 4 years to see the progress. Im myself like Geoff have already seen recovery. about 4 years ago, there was a condo village going in not far from me when the first 2 buildings got finished, they couldnt even sell them. Slowly over the last year I noticed people moving in and just the other day I noticed they are continuing to build them. I keep seeing things like that and it makes me happy.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

being from the uk, theirs very little reporting from these tea partys??(is that what theyr'e called?) movements, 1 thing i have heard is that they are against the centralisation of power & want the federal reserve abolished, in my eyes 2of the biggest challenges to freedom/real democracy in the US, am i right in saying they are mostly republican supporters taking part in them? just because theyr'e republican, imo doesn't necceseraly mean theyr'e bad, wasn't abraham lincoln a republican? & he abolished slavery, i wish them all the luck in the world in bringing down the FR

[geoffk]

The Tea Party seems to get press on Faux (Fox) only, that should tell you something. They aren't as grassroots as you'd think. They have corporate sponsors, like Koch (oil industry).