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Let's not forget the latest, the "R" word. One of the most hilarious albeit sad commentary I have seen/heard recently was from a group of mothers who said that they forbid their children from saying retarded or retard and that they (the children) have to refer to this word as the "R" word. Imagine the psychological affect this could have if some day one of these children decided to become an airline pilot. The word "retard" is used (audible warning) every time an airliner lands.
This slope is very slippery. (Fallacy)

Peace.

Dirty Uncle Ron wrote:

ed the head wrote:Obama inherited a multitude of disasters amid a cesspool of special interest influence. He could be not be faulted for opting for 1 term and retire.
Peace.

The first part he made crystal clear to everyone during his State Of The Union Address last month. He did inherit a mess, and quite a few who were responsible were sitting in the very same chambers in which he gave his address. Not all Bush 43's fault, not even close. Plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the isle.

Peace.

Plenty of blame to go to Goldman Sachs and present and past Treasury Secretaries and Fed Chairmen, like I said, a cesspool of corruption

By the way, I didn't specifically point out number '43 (like he is in NASCAR?), but he is our worst president in my lifetime, a true disaster

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."
- President Franklin Roosevelt, 11-21-1933

"The bold efforts the present bank has made to control the Government... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it."
- President Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies... if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent that their fathers conquered."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the [American] revolution."
- Benjamin Franklin, founding father

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominent men."
- President Woodrow Wilson

"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild, Founder of Rothschild Banking Dynasty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjLJ8UKYDqs

ed the head wrote: By the way, I didn't specifically point out number '43 (like he is in NASCAR?), but he is our worst president in my lifetime, a true disaster

For me, even though I was a child, it was Richard M. Nixon. My reason is that he brought shame and embarrassment to the Presidency and most of all, my country. He cheated (Watergate), he lied about cheating, and he got caught covering it up. Another reason, and maybe more profound, is that he allowed the Vietnam war to continue for another four years (six when counting the evacuation of the US Embassy in 1975, although the last two years were under Ford). He should have removed all troops after appointing Abrams the Theater CINC. Instead, he moved the campaign into Laos and Cambodia.
Sound vaguely familiar, as compared to the last 8-9 years? Bush started the hunt for Bin Laden in Afghanistan, then moved the campaign to Iraq (WMD's which have never been found), the Iranian Strategy, and before leaving office, escalation in Afghanistan.
Even now, the escalation continues under President Obama. The US is scheduled to have all major combat units out of Iraq by Aug 2010, but no exit strategy yet for Afghanistan. I wonder if the next part has any influence in the current decision making process? Read on....
What happens WHEN Iran tests their first nuclear device? President Obama is by some accounts, the worst President in history; and if this Persian situation escalates, he will be the choice of millions more. Afghanistan and Iran could become President Obama's Waterloo. Maybe it's time to come home. (Ya think?) The hunt for those we all seek never was difficult, they have been hiding in Pakistan, Iran, and wait for it, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. My proof: Read the nationalities of those who attacked the U.S. on 9/11. In addition, what have been the nationalities of those who claim to speak for Al-Qaida? Certainly not Iraqi's or Afghani. How much proof is needed to convince the powers that be and those who elect them of where to look for these people?
Stupid is as stupid does.

Peace. Really!

God forbid America gets a socialised system for healthcare, i mean fuck, it's not like the Police and Fire Service allocation of service is 'socialist'...........




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Stanky Danky wrote:"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."
- President Franklin Roosevelt, 11-21-1933

"The bold efforts the present bank has made to control the Government... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it."
- President Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies... if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent that their fathers conquered."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the [American] revolution."
- Benjamin Franklin, founding father

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominent men."
- President Woodrow Wilson

"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild, Founder of Rothschild Banking Dynasty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjLJ8UKYDqs

i take it you seen zeitgeist??

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:God forbid America gets a socialised system for healthcare, i mean fuck, it's not like the Police and Fire Service allocation of service is 'socialist'...........
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The problem with some Americans is that they can't or won't differentiate or identify the differences between a socialist form of government and social programs. The lines have been blurred by the manipulation of the ignorant and stupid, which now number in the tens of millions. Very sad indeed.
Socialized medicine is going to cost everyone, that's why it's called a social program. Everyone is covered, nearly everyone pays into the program (obviously those with disabilities and unemployed would/could not).
Let's not forget the medical community. They need to get their costs under control as well. I went to the emergency room two years ago with a bad case of food poisoning. I was seen almost immediately (happens when you show up at 3am), they took some blood, gave me an IV, and some medication for the pain and discomfort. Ninety minutes later I was feeling better and on my way home.
Less than a week later I received the bill, 1,285 Euros (nearly $2,000). One needle, one vacuum tube (for the blood), one IV set up, one bag of 1000mL Ringers, 20mgs Valium, one band-aid, 20 minutes of attention from the ER tech, 5 minutes with a doctor, 15 minutes of lab time. On the one hand, they helped me, for which I am grateful. On the other hand, I had to pay cash (I am not covered by health insurance) which nearly wiped out my savings. I can't even imagine the cost if I required some type of surgery. I would go bankrupt, or worse, be dead. Sounds like the Republican health care plan. ':roll:'
But hey, it's all my fault because I am not successful and wealthy, mostly because I was serving in the forces which protect my country and their way of life. Maybe if everyone were successful and wealthy, there wouldn't be any problems (huh?). By the way, who would serve me burgers and fries at Mickey D's? Who would collect the tons of waste we produce every day? And so on.
Now maybe some will understand why the wealthy and powerful want to keep as many people ignorant, poor, and destitute as possible. Just thinking.....

Peace.

Ron, i could not imagine encountering a situation of paying that much after a health care incidence.

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:Ron, i could not imagine encountering a situation of paying that much after a health care incidence.

Be thankful for your socialized health-care system. Wonderful isn't it, considering the alternative?
One of the main arguments for health care reform in the US is that thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year due to costs associated with health care. How many in the UK, France, and Germany? ZERO!!
What does one suppose happens to those who can't afford health care? They die of course.
ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE AMERICANS DIE IN THE UNITED STATES EVERY DAY BECAUSE THEY CAN"T AFFORD THE COST OF HEALTH CARE!
Imagine the outrage if 125 Americans were murdered every day while on holiday.
Total and outright ignorance.

Peace.

It strikes me as strange that country with such nationalistic tendencies would not get behind a system which helps save Americans lifes.

Trad wrote:As you may or may not know, we have socialized health care here in Canada also. I agree that it is a good thing for the USA to establish and there are many different models running throughout the world BUT, none of these models are without thier downfalls. The system that we have in place here is beeing heavely abused by all involved.
An example of Dr. abuse....I had a wart on my arm that I wanted removed. I have to make an appointment with my family Dr., which he charges health care for. I go to the appointment and don't even see the Dr., his receptionist gives me a paper with an appointment to see a specialist who will remove said wart. Why in hells name did I have to take time off work to go to my family Dr??? Would a phone call not have been good. AAAHH...he can't charge health care as much for a phone call.
What the USA has to do is find the best parts of the different models and contruct thier own system from the bits that work....Tough job.

A fundamental aspect imo they have to include is universal health care.

insurence here is just to expensive...something has to give. i pay almost $450 a month for mine. thats as much as an apartment here in the suburbs.

I've noticed in recent years how the Canadian HCS has been taking a beating, in some instances similar to a the UK, France, and Germany, to name a few. One of the causes, and I apologize if I offend (not my intent), is immigration. Another major cause is high unemployment. As a reminder, some systems were strained before the immigrant rush of the 80's and 90's. Now, some of these systems are nearing collapse. This is an inevitability when more are receiving than paying. Any type of system would collapse under these conditions, just ask those who run the banks. Too many toxic loans lead to many banks failing (money out, not much in return).
So I have a solution: Improve the quality of life on a global scale. Time for the UN to be all that it can be. Simple, eh? Not simple, not easy, not cheap, not fast, but definitely doable. What or who is preventing these types of life-changing events from occurring? THE MUTHA FREAKING GREEDY AND THEIR IGNORANT TWIN.

Peace.

Pauli Wallnuts wrote:

Stanky Danky wrote:"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson."
- President Franklin Roosevelt, 11-21-1933

"The bold efforts the present bank has made to control the Government... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it."
- President Andrew Jackson (1767-1845)

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies... if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent that their fathers conquered."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1743-1826

"The refusal of King George III to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the [American] revolution."
- Benjamin Franklin, founding father

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominent men."
- President Woodrow Wilson

"Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild, Founder of Rothschild Banking Dynasty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjLJ8UKYDqs

i take it you seen zeitgeist??

Yeah, I'm a conspiracy nut. I've watched lots of videos and read quite a few books. I think quotes of people who have held positions of high power and know the inner workings of how the world really operates are the most revealing. The more I learn the more convinced I become that there is/has been a group of very powerfull men who pull the strings from behind the scenes and manipulate world events.