Do you recline your seat when flying?
-
Max Flower
- Posts: 342
- Joined: Mon 14th Mar 2005 10:03 pm
- Location: Canada
- Contact:
If I were more interested in how seat pitch is determined, I would send the governing body a letter telling them they are failing.
I get the premise that airlines are in the business of making money (transportation of passengers as well of course) ':)" which means cramming as many people on board as possible.
An "FYI" for non-aviation people: I have read (http://www.airliners.net/) that an international flight could still make money just from filling all of their premium seats and without one economy passenger. I invite those interested, go to the following website (http://www.seatguru.com/) and look at how much space is given to premium passengers, especially on wide-body aircraft. Since airlines have had problems filling premium seats for the past few years (even before the current economic crisis), maybe they should use this underutilized but much desired space and give a few more inches of pitch to the economy sections, in addition to adding a few rows. Something else to consider is that with some of the new First Class products, their footprint is nearly equal to nine seats. I suppose airlines would rather have these seats empty versus a cheaper product with full seats. When airlines lose revenue due to the lack of premium paying passengers, who makes up the difference? Those traveling in economy, who else.
Peace.
I get the premise that airlines are in the business of making money (transportation of passengers as well of course) ':)" which means cramming as many people on board as possible.
An "FYI" for non-aviation people: I have read (http://www.airliners.net/) that an international flight could still make money just from filling all of their premium seats and without one economy passenger. I invite those interested, go to the following website (http://www.seatguru.com/) and look at how much space is given to premium passengers, especially on wide-body aircraft. Since airlines have had problems filling premium seats for the past few years (even before the current economic crisis), maybe they should use this underutilized but much desired space and give a few more inches of pitch to the economy sections, in addition to adding a few rows. Something else to consider is that with some of the new First Class products, their footprint is nearly equal to nine seats. I suppose airlines would rather have these seats empty versus a cheaper product with full seats. When airlines lose revenue due to the lack of premium paying passengers, who makes up the difference? Those traveling in economy, who else.
Peace.
word!! I've never heard of this device, but I would be very pissed off if someone locked my seat upright. I'm tall-ish and get really cramped on long flights, I NEED to recline the seat at least a little bit. But I don't put it all the way back unless its time to sleep.balou1999 wrote:The first time I saw someone use one I was like WTF! I guess I would be in the news, Continental Airlines flight to Amsterdam diverted to Goose Bay due to unruly passenger, if that had been behind me on a 10 hour flight!
Few times I've been behind someone and the minute the seatbelt light goes off, they put their seat ALL the way back, and thats very annoying.
While we're bitching about flights... how about those people that seem to be always kicking and shaking your seat from behind??? That also gets me.
too many long flights from Aust > Europe.
Why does this annoy you?bleak wrote: Few times I've been behind someone and the minute the seatbelt light goes off, they put their seat ALL the way back, and thats very annoying.
My point of view is that as soon as I am allowed to get comfortable, by law and airline regulation, I am getting into that mode. This means I recline my seat, put on my headphones, and meditate until I fall asleep or we land (short flight). I do take notice of the persons sitting behind me, mostly to identify any potential circumstance where I might have to put my seat up in order for them to move about without more than the usual awkwardness of trying to get to the aisle. Or possibly a pregnant woman is sitting behind me, in which case I will talk with her about how far I can recline to where she is still comfortable. This is called consideration, something that seems of late to be lacking in most.
Simply put, it's just too easy.
With thousands of hours as an airline passenger, I have only had two bad experiences: The first involved a kicking 5 or 6 year old monster and his apathetic parents. They certainly should be considered for the Darwin Awards, but that's for another time.bleak wrote: While we're bitching about flights... how about those people that seem to be always kicking and shaking your seat from behind??? That also gets me.
The second incident involved a plane full of migrant workers. My god, the stench was nauseating, and the crassness was mind-numbing. I don't know how the FA's cope. Well anyway, I had this Neanderthal sitting behind me pulling, pushing, opening, closing, and god knows what else with the tray and storage pocket. After two hours out of an eight hour flight, I asked him politely to handle the tray a little more delicately. When he spoke (I think he was speaking), his words were uninterpretable, and worse, he spit when speaking. Needless to say I did everything I could to have my seat changed. Not a chance unless I was willing to pay an extra E1750 to move to Business class. Worst flight of my life.
Peace.
-
treetop
- Posts: 3174
- Joined: Mon 18th May 2009 12:48 am
- Location: with the sun occasionally on my back
Time for a rude person on the plane story then...
One time I was on a cramped inter continental flight and after the person in front of me had put his seat back I literally could not fit without also reclining mine. After doing so the women behind me started attacking my seat back at irregular intervals. Punching and shaking it like a wet dog. Never once did she seek to engage me in conversation. After this had gone on for a few hours I turned around to ask her what the problem was. Her response was that I was 'hammering her.'
I asked her to look around the plane and observe all the people with reclined seats and all the people not having a problem except for her and inquired as to what made her think she was so special?
Quite unabashed her only response was 'well you have to put your seat up for the meal' which I was only too glad to do in any case. The gentleman in front of me continued to keep his seat reclined during the meal and not being able to get my tray table down flat I took the alternative strategy of politely asking him to raise his seat during the meal. He was only too happy to do so.
Quite possibly the rudest woman I've ever come into contact with on an aeroplane. Just put it down to back luck. At the time I used to fly often. It was bound to happen one day. Incidentally the woman was British. Most likely there are far worse stories out there although these days people might be a little more tranquil seeing as the consequences of misbehaviour on a plane are more severe.
One time I was on a cramped inter continental flight and after the person in front of me had put his seat back I literally could not fit without also reclining mine. After doing so the women behind me started attacking my seat back at irregular intervals. Punching and shaking it like a wet dog. Never once did she seek to engage me in conversation. After this had gone on for a few hours I turned around to ask her what the problem was. Her response was that I was 'hammering her.'
I asked her to look around the plane and observe all the people with reclined seats and all the people not having a problem except for her and inquired as to what made her think she was so special?
Quite unabashed her only response was 'well you have to put your seat up for the meal' which I was only too glad to do in any case. The gentleman in front of me continued to keep his seat reclined during the meal and not being able to get my tray table down flat I took the alternative strategy of politely asking him to raise his seat during the meal. He was only too happy to do so.
Quite possibly the rudest woman I've ever come into contact with on an aeroplane. Just put it down to back luck. At the time I used to fly often. It was bound to happen one day. Incidentally the woman was British. Most likely there are far worse stories out there although these days people might be a little more tranquil seeing as the consequences of misbehaviour on a plane are more severe.
Your story is typical and just another reason for airlines to add a couple of precious inches to the seat pitch. The difference of having 36 inches of pitch as compared to the average 30-31 is like comparing night and day (almost). Anyone that has flown Economy Plus most likely experienced what I have described. Seat width remains the same at 17-18 inches, which is no problem for me. Pitch is the key to comfort.
Peace.
Peace.
With short flights such as you mentioned, no need for me to break out the pajamas. Unfortunately, most of my flying consists of +9 hours in the air.Kingdoc wrote:No cos i am not on it for all that long,Amsterdam is only 1 & a half hours flight time from here.
My POV:
I'll be damned if I won't make myself as comfortable as I possibly can, within reason of course. What does "within" reason mean? According to The Bard, therein lies the rub. Some say that one shouldn't recline their seat, others say not during certain times such as meal or tea and coffee time, etc... What to do when someone chose not to eat and decided to sleep instead: Wake them up so that the person behind them is comfortable. How is this logical or rational? Believe me when I say that this has happened to me more than once. My discomfort for their comfort, reasonable? Depends on which end one finds themselves. Food for thought.
Also something to think about: It's difficult for me to enjoy my cuppa sitting straight when the person in front of me isn't and doesn't have to. So why complain? Suck it up and do as I do:
Adapt to the environment. I already know what I am getting into.
Overcome the urge to smack someone who is in dire need for a smack.
Patience is a virtue, show some when dealing with difficult people.
Persevere, because this too shall end.
Peace.
-
Kingdoc
- Posts: 3678
- Joined: Mon 26th Jan 2009 09:52 am
- Location: Edinburgh/Scotland - Trips to amsterdam : 15
cantona7 wrote:what about sitting next to the one guy in the cabin of an overnight intercontinental flight who insists on keeping his window shade open. just because its an overnight intercontinental flight doesn't mean the sun sets!
I had some posh woman next to me a few years back who huffed & puffed each time i breathed literaly
,Really what a pain in the arse like.I bring along my eye shades, need them especially when traveling in a westerly direction. Chasing the sun and all that.
One question, unless traveling near the poles, doesn't the sun set? Yup, every day. So...
I've traveled Trans Atlantic in an easterly direction in the month of June, and while crossing Greenland and Iceland, I did not see the sun. I will admit that it was light enough to play golf, but the sun was still below the horizon.
Just saying, I'm a bit anal. ':shock:' ':lol:'
Peace.
One question, unless traveling near the poles, doesn't the sun set? Yup, every day. So...
I've traveled Trans Atlantic in an easterly direction in the month of June, and while crossing Greenland and Iceland, I did not see the sun. I will admit that it was light enough to play golf, but the sun was still below the horizon.
Just saying, I'm a bit anal. ':shock:' ':lol:'
Peace.
