Amsterdam Coffeeshop Directory Forums

If he's found guilty should he still be allowed to keep his new identity at taxpayers expense?

I've always read about this case, from the moment it happened, im the same age as Venables and Thompson maybe a year younger, and i knew what they did at the time was wrong. So for 2 kids to do something like this that were around my age always intriged me.

My views are that his identity should be kept under wraps until after his trial, it would cause a frenzy if his identity was revealed before hand, also it could spark reactions from people not directly involved in the case (people that just hate the guys because of their crime), which would then mean more unneccesary arrests, using up more police time. Also, if we dont already have enough problems in jails, why would we want to promote who this guy is, it again would just lead to more people gettin arrested for revenge attacks, and then other people being sentenced for crimes committed aginst Venables.

However amount of time he spent in jail for the murder of little Jamie Bulger would never be enough, and would never bring James back, and will never help ease any of the pain of which Jamie's mother and father feel, but they as people have to move on, maybe im wrong and i know they lost a 2 year old little boy, but you cannot dwell on the past and have to get on with life however hard it is. I feel that by gettin so involved in the new Venables case that Ms Bulger is bringing back all the initial emothions she had when Jamie was taken from her, and its not going to help anything.

The case in itself should be treated as any other, with no media injunctions, but i believe the guys identity should be kept under wraps until after he is found guilty to save the public from getting to involved.

And when he is found guilty i think there is only 1 place for him........ rooming with Charles Bronson

liquidSwords wrote:I've always read about this case, from the moment it happened, im the same age as Venables and Thompson maybe a year younger, and i knew what they did at the time was wrong. So for 2 kids to do something like this that were around my age always intriged me.

My views are that his identity should be kept under wraps until after his trial, it would cause a frenzy if his identity was revealed before hand, also it could spark reactions from people not directly involved in the case (people that just hate the guys because of their crime), which would then mean more unneccesary arrests, using up more police time. Also, if we dont already have enough problems in jails, why would we want to promote who this guy is, it again would just lead to more people gettin arrested for revenge attacks, and then other people being sentenced for crimes committed aginst Venables.

However amount of time he spent in jail for the murder of little Jamie Bulger would never be enough, and would never bring James back, and will never help ease any of the pain of which Jamie's mother and father feel, but they as people have to move on, maybe im wrong and i know they lost a 2 year old little boy, but you cannot dwell on the past and have to get on with life however hard it is. I feel that by gettin so involved in the new Venables case that Ms Bulger is bringing back all the initial emothions she had when Jamie was taken from her, and its not going to help anything.

The case in itself should be treated as any other, with no media injunctions, but i believe the guys identity should be kept under wraps until after he is found guilty to save the public from getting to involved.

And when he is found guilty i think there is only 1 place for him........ rooming with Charles Bronson

LS, i completely agree with you man.

Boner, i think if he is found guilty then the argument for changing the current status is more well founded. However, i think that it shouldn't be considered until/if he is found guilty and the nature of crime is revealed. If he is revealed to have not committed a serious crime, then no it shouldn't be changed.

However, even if he is convicted of a serious crime, then i still struggle with saying it is ok reveal his identity. Because, unlike with other cases, this is extraordinary. So the repercussions would certainly be, imo, death. Therefore its not just a case of revealing his identity he would be certainly killed. Also, as i've already put, i think that there is value is saying that this has to be expected since Venables was the one who showed remorse.

It is difficult to say no it shouldn't be changed though, as are we not treating this as a special case, and how many chances can we give?

So my answer is this, it's a difficult one to call, if he hasn't committed harm to another child, then no it should not be changed IMO, however, i fully see the argument for the other side of this and i think it is a valid one. Personally, i couldn't be responsible for signing what is a death penalty in disguise by letting his true identity to be known.

little jamie was , battered with bricks , a 22lb iron bar, covered in paint,and laid across railway tracks and cut in half by a train. the scum that did this to a two year old should be made to suffer the way jamie did and his family continues to suffer to this day, imo venables and thompson deserve to die, theyve had a second chance and it didnt work. bring back the death penalty that is the only deterent for scum like these two and ill volunteer to hang these two bastards myself. like i said before i really hope someone inside sticks a shiv in this piece of shite.

gixxer wrote:little jamie was , battered with bricks , a 22lb iron bar, covered in paint,and laid across railway tracks and cut in half by a train. the scum that did this to a two year old should be made to suffer the way jamie did and his family continues to suffer to this day, imo venables and thompson deserve to die, theyve had a second chance and it didnt work. bring back the death penalty that is the only deterent for scum like these two and ill volunteer to hang these two bastards myself. like i said before i really hope someone inside sticks a shiv in this piece of shite.

Your right, im a way,...... If the death penalty was still a sentence then we would not be having this discussion, but as it is now abolished, we cant use that as a way of solving this case.

But my whole point is that someone should not waste their life away with a revenge attack on someone that dont concern them, why would you volunteer to hang them if you got life in prison for the murder of murderers.

hanging can be brought back through voting,,, personally id rather shove a 9mm in his face and blow his brains over the wall of his cell, thats what would have happened where i come from, in fact if that happened here both of them would have been dead a long time ago

Hanging could be brought back, i would hate to see it back and would protest every single chance. I don't think it would, i would think it would be apposed. I also think our country has moved beyond the death penalty.

ill say no more on this

I dont think hanging is the option but we should bring back the death penalty, lethal injection is probably the most humane way of doing it, that or life in jail for murder and by life I mean life not 8 years in a care home with plasma tv's and playstations.

Let's be realistic here, this guy will not live 10 more years. He will be in out and of jail his whole life and such secrets cannot be kept forever, prison justice is always the same for cats like this...

Marco wrote:Let's be realistic here, this guy will not live 10 more years. He will be in out and of jail his whole life and such secrets cannot be kept forever, prison justice is always the same for cats like this...

We seem to protect criminals more than victims here now, if he gets jailed he'll be protected.

I read that he'll be given another new identity to protect him at a cost of approx £250,000.

I'd give him a new identity...........Child Killer branded into his forehead

Boner wrote:I dont think hanging is the option but we should bring back the death penalty, lethal injection is probably the most humane way of doing it, that or life in jail for murder and by life I mean life not 8 years in a care home with plasma tv's and playstations.

It's not the method i disagree with, i view them as all the same, it's just in my view completely unjustifiable, i also don't like the idea of giving the state the power to kill as part of the criminal process. Also, the death penalty does not act as a deterrent, look at the States as another Western Country with the Death Penalty in place, it has not got a lower murder rate than the UK.

Just to note, Injection is not a humane way of killing someone. It induces an appeared comatose state, so the extreme pain etc. is still experienced but it's just not visable to the people watching. Because as much as they want the death penalty, they cant face the truth behind the action and watch the pain in the persons face. Which sums up the death penalty for me, it's not an effective deterrent, it is not a humane punishment, imo it's logically flawed and it has not purpose to the indivitual or society. A dead criminal is less of an incentive as a reformed one. It is instead to satisfy the blood thirsty side of human nature, something IMO shouldn't be indulged.

I don't get why theres all this prison is easy rhetoric, maybe for the lower prisoners, but the higher Cat's, A etc, have a very hard experience. There's alot of abuse within the prison system that isn't reported, having volunteered in a Youth Offenders Prison for experience needed for a course i sat, i can tell you that it is not an easy time for prisoners. Even in YO units, which are considerably easier than adult population. Also, how else do you reward good behavior? If you don't have incentives, how do you keep the population under control and get them to attend classes within the prison? They may be going for the wrong reason, but 80% of the battle is getting them in there. People who complain about the scheme don't offer an alternative.

Let's be realistic here, this guy will not live 10 more years. He will be in out and of jail his whole life and such secrets cannot be kept forever, prison justice is always the same for cats like this...

Maybe right, although he hasn't been charged or found guilty yet. He is retained as a precaution because of previous crimes.

We seem to protect criminals more than victims here now, if he gets jailed he'll be protected.

I read that he'll be given another new identity to protect him at a cost of approx £250,000

All speculation i would think man, they don't know where they are moving him etc. so theres no way to put a solid figure on it. In fact the solid figure can only be decided once it has happened.

If it does cost, and he's found not guilty but has to be protected, they should charge the money to the British press for whipping up the public.

I say cut his dick off shove it in his mouth, hang him by his testicles, and stick a pitch fork up his ass.

Stanky Danky wrote:I say cut his dick off shove it in his mouth, hang him by his testicles, and stick a pitch fork up his ass.

That is for sure more visually graphic than the lethal injection.