I was wrong.

gixxer · Post by **gixxer** » Wed 24th Mar 2010 07:03 pm

marco if you,re so patriotic why dont you pull on a uniform and go to afganistan yourself,,,too scared maybe???? and before you tell me to do the same,,,,i have done.

as for us all being "buddies" ive never met anyone from this site (that,ll change @420) and i dont agree with everything niall says,nor does he agree with me, but hell thats life.

the only reason i responded to this thread was because of what you said which imo is disrespectful to all the squaddies and familys that has had someone killed or injured

Adamster · Post by **Adamster** » Wed 24th Mar 2010 07:45 pm

American will Never win this war «like all others b4 them
American go to STOP impossing AMERICAN propaganda « not everyone whats to live like them....
American gouverment (bush) should all be charged for war-crimes...and hung like they did to saddam...

doobydave · Post by **doobydave** » Wed 24th Mar 2010 09:20 pm

Funny, I thought Marco's initial comments were directed at me.

I have made my views perfectly clear in another thread, but will reiterate.
I would support our troops IF they were part of a multi-lateral peace-keeping force, that were sent to places where they were NEEDED, in order to help non-violent majorities.

Since I have been aware, this is not the case. Our military has been used and abuse by various heads of state for a multitude of dubious reasons and with mixed reports of success.

The only difference between myself and everybody else (I imagine) is where, between mercenary and peace-keeping, we perceive the activities of the army to fall.

I'll stick my neck out and say again that the activities in Afghanistan are directly related to the security of the trans-afghan gas pipeline.
If the transportation of billions of tonnes of gas turns you one, then go ahead, support the activities. And while you're at it, buy some shares in the companies that stand to make millions from what will be the most populated country on the planet in a decade or so.

Sir Niall of Essex-sire · Wed 24th Mar 2010 11:10 pm

The little POS

Name calling? Well i never Sir.

t he should be supporting the soldier's that are dying in Afghanistan in his name.

I hope to be as honourable as you one day.

Just a note, this was originally meant as an open recognition of Kermit's POV being superior to mine.

Perhaps instead of other posters not calling me on it because i'm there buddy ( which isn't true otherwise i would not be apologising to Kermit for me saying the Taliban were not a bad thing?) Maybe, they don't call me on because i (usually) express my POV without name calling/being a bit of prick?

Just a thought.

Here's another one, USBL, i think i've identified a penguin for you train your taming skills on? He's a slippery little fucker, i'd watch out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTWv63RyLP8

( this may only make the UK members nostalgic, for the other members, this is some trippy shit after a smoke, check the facial expressions.)

Sir Niall of Essex-sire · Wed 24th Mar 2010 11:12 pm

doobydave wrote:Funny, I thought Marco's initial comments were directed at me.

I have made my views perfectly clear in another thread, but will reiterate.
I would support our troops IF they were part of a multi-lateral peace-keeping force, that were sent to places where they were NEEDED, in order to help non-violent majorities.

Since I have been aware, this is not the case. Our military has been used and abuse by various heads of state for a multitude of dubious reasons and with mixed reports of success.

The only difference between myself and everybody else (I imagine) is where, between mercenaries and peace-keepers, we perceive the activities of the army to fall.

I'll stick my neck out and say again that the activities in Afghanistan are directly related to the security of the trans-afghan gas pipeline.
If the transportation of billions of tonnes of gas turns you one, then go ahead, support the activities. And while you're at it, buy some shares in the companies that stand to make millions from what will be the most populated country on the planet in a decade or so.

Dave, despite having hugely different views on drug policy, it seems are foreign policy ideas are rather in line?

doobydave · Post by **doobydave** » Thu 25th Mar 2010 02:20 am

You'll come round....

USbongLord · Post by **USbongLord** » Thu 25th Mar 2010 03:40 am

pingos dead,,,tastes like chicken

echc1 · Post by **echc1** » Thu 25th Mar 2010 02:02 pm

this has brought me outta semi -retirement.........SUPPORT THE TROOPS NOT THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS SENDING THEM!!!!!.....i was with the 15000 bikers that went to wooton basset to see the lads come home...i had to go to a friends funeral and yes he was killed in afghan....do not disparage the guys doing the dieing....want to see the real monsters?;then watch the cenotaph on remberance sunday when all the greed with hand on black hearts lay wreaths fo those who have given their all....the taliban are medievil mentalitties just with modern weapons to enforce their views,they are cruel,extreme and most important,many of them aren't even from afghanland......BRING OUR BOYS HOME!!!!!! and let them prapare for something useful ...like... falklands war 2 ......i don't care who has to say anything about my comment....but SUPPORT THE TROOPS they don't choose where or when they do their jobs,they just do it!!....enough rant......i need a spliff......peace to all and doubly to the troops.....here's just a list of those who tried to conquer that dusty land and failed to do so....gengis khan,the indian moghuls,chinese emperor,british empire,soviet union.......and now the world police led by the thieves and hypocrites in power.......not 1 has conquered and subjugated that dusty country....food for thought!!.........bonglord,pass me a pingu burger with extra onions and mustard....mmmmmmm penguin packed full of omega-9

gixxer · Post by **gixxer** » Thu 25th Mar 2010 02:15 pm

the argies will get their arses kicked again if they try to take the islands ,,,,why,,,,cause we wont have to babysit a shite yank army like in afga/iraq

lets hope if theres a falklands 2 we,ll take out buenos aires which we should have done in 82

and yes you,re right echc1, no1 has ever conquered afganistan

Stanky Danky · Post by **Stanky Danky** » Thu 25th Mar 2010 10:52 pm

gixxer wrote:cause we wont have to babysit a shite yank army

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Fri 26th Mar 2010 01:07 pm

echc1 wrote:this has brought me outta semi -retirement.........SUPPORT THE TROOPS NOT THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS SENDING THEM!!!!!.....i was with the 15000 bikers that went to wooton basset to see the lads come home...i had to go to a friends funeral and yes he was killed in afghan....do not disparage the guys doing the dieing...

This is exactly what I am talking about. I went to 5 major anti-war protests in DC prior to and after the Iraq war. I made a pledge to leave the US if we went to war and I did...so no one has a right to assume otherwise.

But these kids are dying in your name whether you like it or not. They deserve your support, honor and love. Nothing less.

Marco · Post by **Marco** » Fri 26th Mar 2010 01:13 pm

colinzeal wrote:whats that anti-war protest phrase again? oh yeah NOT in my name!!

Marco just because you believe one should blindly support the troops regardless of one's opinion on the moral justifications of a conflict does not mean everybody should be as vocally supportive as you are. A person does not necessarily wish death and injury upon the troops because they do not agree with their activities. A person can easily wish them safe because they generally believe in life peace and happiness without vocally supporting them or agreeing with their presence. Being anti-war is not the same as being anti-soldier, and the troops certainly do not need the express sympathy and support of every anti-war campaigner, they are big boys and girls, who signed up for this shit.

Niall has many opinions about which he is vocal, he has been very open and honest and imo fair by admitting he has recently changed his opinion on a particular issue. You could be supportive of him rather than being an ass.

If I have guessed correctly what POS means you are breaking the only rule of the site and certainly not contributing to an open debate but instead attempting to turn it into (another) pointless argument about a subject on which an agreement is unlikely to be reached.

IMHO the Support your Troops moral is laughable. And those that push it aggressively wrongly assume that anybody who is against conflict is an enemy of his countrymen. It is in the same vein as the "support you president" lobby who like to think you should support your president simply because he is elected, like he is the infallible pope.

So bravo Niall for being open-minded enough to adjust your opinions given new information and being man enough to admit in public when you in no way had to.

Well that know what it says when people make assumptions, right? You made a few about me, only because I want to show respect to kids coming home in body bags. I am not one of those who equated supporting the troops with supporting the last President, you could not be more wrong. I take offense to this assumption, as the last President basically drove me out of the US.

Nail is what his is, btw.

Sir Niall of Essex-sire · Fri 26th Mar 2010 01:57 pm

Nail is what his is, btw

Hard, made out of metal, useful at putting up selves, good for holding up pictures and useless without a hammer?

You know personifying objects is a sign of madness.

Well that know what it says when people make assumptions, right?

I hope it's flattering or you may look a bit of tit since you followed that statement pretty quickly with...

Nail is what his is, btw.

Dimon · Post by **Dimon** » Fri 26th Mar 2010 02:29 pm

Twichaldinho wrote:This thread stinks like a cheap hookers snatch!

DC · Post by DC » Fri 26th Mar 2010 06:52 pm

At what point do you stop supporting troops though, what does it take them to do before you decide 'nah sorry lads, not this time'. While patriotism does provide a large number of volunteers to enlist in the military, in recent times necessity has been the main driving force in recruits. 'They're just doing their job' has never been so true, but when the job is killing people the reasons why yer being asked to do it, have to be solid. I think if you were to ask most people on frontline duty in warzones, why they're there and what they're fighting for, they'll say something like 'It's my job and I'm fighting to protect my buddies around me'. The second part I respect, but the first part isn't really cutting the mustard anymore as their bosses seem to be slightly off the reservation when it comes to public opinion. War has always been big business but these days they're taking that to a whole new level. It would be interesting to see where everybodies allegiances fell if the police went on strike or they brought back the draft.

As for the Falklands, we got lucky the Argentinians were a bunch of numpties.