And they're off...

[gixxer]

sandy row and the village is just one of the areas thats burning foreigners out

portadown is another area where a lot has been put out as well

anytime you want info about here niall pm me ,i would like to read your paper on here when you write it

[Marco]

One thing you should be quite grateful for, is that your election season is only 30 days. In the US it is constant.

This is an interesting thread. It is helpful as I watch the UK-BBC news, which is quite fascinating.

[Binman]

that all depends on how you look at it niall. in the 90s we didnt have all these fucking foreigners taking houses and what few jobs there is.

personally id prefer the troubles to foreigners

Grow up gixxer can you honestly tell me you rather live with the threat of a friend or family member being killed than have a few pole's & romanians knocking about your home town?

[gixxer]

@ binman,,,,yes

ive never lost any family members, friends yes, but thats what happens if you join the forces like i did

i suppose youve been here and understand the probs ulster has,,,, no,,theres a fucking surprise,,,so toodle off to the library and get a book about here, then youll maybe start to understand where im comming from

[Binman]

I lived there for 20 years through the troubles.

[gixxer]

good for you

ive lived here my whole life

[Binman]

good for you

ive lived here my whole life

Sorry if i've got your back up i just find it hard to understand why anyone would want to go back to those hellish days when i lost friends & family essentially for no reason. Peace

[gixxer]

sorry about your friends and family m8


my point is that this country should have been given time to rebuild itself after the troubles before a bunch of foreigners moved in costing people jobs and housing

[Kingdoc]

The liberal democrats are already at the door! + the letters & flyers also .

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

sandy row and the village is just one of the areas thats burning foreigners out

portadown is another area where a lot has been put out as well

anytime you want info about here niall pm me ,i would like to read your paper on here when you write it

I will do Gixxer man, that was for a previous project in a different degree, i'll see if i can drag them out man and cut it down for you.

Hopefully i'm going to be using N.Ire as a subject for another project, to do the reconstruction of society and roll of religion. It's basically to compare and contrast Secular Youth groups etc. work with religious youth work groups work and see if there's any difference and any reason to criticise religious based charity organisations. Monumentally boring i guess but it's towards a bigger thesis of religious organisations and their place in the public sector.

I've noticed in 'Derry there' s been a few issues as well. In fact Derry is an interesting city to look at in general. It seems to be right on the edge of the new dissidents and a bit of a support base for them.

I think it is an interesting idea how N.Ire is rebuilding itself, in some ways it's dealing with problems of modernity while itself being a society that really wasn't allowed to develop from really the 70's until recently.

Still it was Belfast that taught me many things about myself, life and actually reinforced my belief in the innate goodness in human nature (which i suppose is a bit strange). For that i love the place, it's a very special town.

With all that in mind, i realise im just another Englishman trying to understand an Irish problem! Something which is impossible to do i think.

[gixxer]

I think it is an interesting idea how N.Ire is rebuilding itself, in some ways it's dealing with problems of modernity while itself being a society that really wasn't allowed to develop from really the 70's until recently.

never thought id say this m8,, but i actually agree with you for once

londonderry and newry are near the border so thats why theres dissident activity,,easy to get to the south

also youre not doing a bad job of understanding the probs here,,youre prob doing better than some of the eejits that come from here m8

[Twichaldinho]

Just watching the Tory Muppet spraffing sheeite on BBC Parliament. Smarmy cnut. He wont be getting my vote thats for sure.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

I think it is an interesting idea how N.Ire is rebuilding itself, in some ways it's dealing with problems of modernity while itself being a society that really wasn't allowed to develop from really the 70's until recently.

never thought id say this m8,, but i actually agree with you for once

londonderry and newry are near the border so thats why theres dissident activity,,easy to get to the south

also youre not doing a bad job of understanding the probs here,,youre prob doing better than some of the eejits that come from here m8

It's the support for the violence i find shocking. Interestingly, imo, its the generations that have lived without the conflict causing issues. They haven't experienced the bad aspects of it, so they only see the romanticised Rebel or Defender image and want to be like what they think those who fought in the troubles were like. Those who experienced the horrific violence and had to deal with it on a day to day basis and lost love ones understand why it's not the best way to handle to process at this time.

Controversially, i feel there is more violence to come unless we act now. There will have to be a final decision within British Government, is the union central and is N.Ire part of that. Or, will we devolve the Union. This decision has to met imo, as it is ( this is arguable ) still a aim of Sinn Fein and essential to their participation in the peace process. This is something the Unionist community are obviously going to resist at all costs. It also seems difficult how the Republic would accommodate the Unionist community into the ' new state.' That's why this new problem with the new generations is a bit of banana skin imo, because i am sure people thought that generations without the troubles would of been the building blocks for the new peace process. However, they are atm seemingly not ready for this.

So this leaves an issue, how can we plant the seed of a long lasting peace that would outweigh any reaction against the decision about the Union which will eventually happen. For me, i think start community investment for the native population now, this is happening atm but i think the investment and cross community work needs huge public appreciation. It seems at the moment so much work is happening but not being appreciated. This needs to be pushed into the limelight and highlighted as the way forward. We place alot of emphasis in the politicians, but as a quote from a Belfast native of the Falls road illustrates ' The Politicians throw words, while on the streets people throw bricks.' We need to address issues on the street level, while it is important the parties are involved in the peace process, and a testament to the will of the people. We run the risk of marginalising the people of N.Ire, who are as important, if not more important than Sinn Fein and the DUP.

Does this mean that the country has to be left alone by modern problems until it builds itself? It's an interesting proposition. We cannot ever force any ideology from the bottom up, but should we try to introduce N.Ire society to new world wide issues in order to forget the past. I feel giving N.Ire a glimpse into modern day developments is a good idea, but, how are we going to do that? IMO, let the country rebuild itself, it's not for a Government in Westminster to decide, we in England do not understand, we never will. Promote politics which are apart from the traditional Sectarian voting traditions. The Alliance party is vital in this, once we offer people in N.Ire the chance to vote for issues, rather than community allegiance we will make progress.

Secondly, there are two options. Either we need not to push N.Ire to deal issues with British society separate from the troubles cannot find a solution to ( immigration for example. ) Or, we let the problematic issues occur, but offer huge support and integration. Allow N.Ire to help itself handle the issues. For this argument, the basis is that by treating N.Ire as a special case we cannot expect society to develop past the troubles.

For me, those are the two options we have, i have a personal opinion, but my opinion is as useful as a pair of tits on a nun. I don't understand the problems, i am an outsider. While i may maintain that sometimes an outside view is more valuable than a inside one. I don't believe this to be the case. Hopefully, we can help N.Ire help itself, however, how we do that is a difficult task. One that requires a mind better than mine to work out.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Just watching the Tory Muppet spraffing sheeite on BBC Parliament. Smarmy cnut. He wont be getting my vote thats for sure.

Course not man, you've gotta vote Scottish Independent Party!

[gixxer]

interesting theory niall,, theres a few things missing tho
for example

britain cant get rid of ulster
we fought 2world wars for uk,although churchill offered the north on a plate to the south if they fought for britian(many did ,,6 VCs won by southern soldiers in WW2),,the south refused
if this was to happen now ,, it would be the loyalists taking over the role of the ira/inla etc.

theres always been cross community projects
these dont work,mixed schools,,the kids hang around with kids from the same area or religion(my m8 told me this,he,s a teacher in 1 such school)they dont fight in school,but afterwards???? trust is whats needed but isnt gonna happen

the rebel or defender image LMFAO
NO SUCH A THING
they are terrorists,dealing drugs, protection rackets, prostitution
sorry but imo this is not being a freedom fighter or defender
its being a piece of shit scum bastard
their freedom fighting is about making money, pure and simple