Posted: Wed 14th Apr 2010 10:49 am
The only thing is man, that Britain ( historically and in present times ) is quick to forget the help of other nations. For example, the mass immigration into England started with the West Indian community, because we needed a huge amount of workers to sustain our economy after the War when we lost such a huge amount of our work force. Not ten years later, we forget that people came here to help our economy and it was something we asked for, and we end up with huge racism and prejudice against immigrant workers. I agree the results would cause yet more violence on the streets, that's why i fear there will be more violence on the streets. If the Torys get in, they'll favor the UUP as they have a alliance with them. For any other party, i don't know if the Union is such a priority man. Although saying that, the South did sign away it's constitutional claim to the North, so it's definitely up in the air on what will happen. I just don't know whether the separate country of N.Ire is sustainable in the long run post Good Friday. Perhaps it could result in separate 'state' but not under British control, so it would exist as N.Ire, a separate state from the South and separate state from Britain. However with the economic demands of this, NHS etc., on an independent small state it could be simply impossible.gixxer wrote:interesting theory niall,, theres a few things missing tho
for example
britain cant get rid of ulster
we fought 2world wars for uk,although churchill offered the north on a plate to the south if they fought for britian(many did ,,6 VCs won by southern soldiers in WW2),,the south refused
if this was to happen now ,, it would be the loyalists taking over the role of the ira/inla etc.
theres always been cross community projects
these dont work,mixed schools,,the kids hang around with kids from the same area or religion(my m8 told me this,he,s a teacher in 1 such school)they dont fight in school,but afterwards???? trust is whats needed but isnt gonna happen
the rebel or defender image LMFAO
NO SUCH A THING
they are terrorists,dealing drugs, protection rackets, prostitution
sorry but imo this is not being a freedom fighter or defender
its being a piece of shit scum bastard
their freedom fighting is about making money, pure and simple
One of the criticisms i received from the paper was that it was too optimistic in regards to cross community work. But i maintain that there are stages that the cross community building goes through 1) Exposure, which to some extent happens now and consists of just letting people live life and experience schooling etc. in close proximity to each other. 2) Interaction : to some extent this happening now, those from Unionist backgrounds learning and following Gaelic Football and those from the Republican backgrounds following traditional British games, rugby and football. And 3) Integration : this is a way off atm, however i think it is reachable as long as the first two stages are pushed and maintained. While there are some examples of kids being reluctant to interact etc. we have to, imo, keep patience with it. Also, i think places such as Belfast, Derry and the country areas where there is a large amount of history, South and West Tyrone, South Armagh and Femmangh and a areas of mixed communities will have more difficultly.But the more moderate areas i think we can see a huge improvement in relations. I feel continuing cross community work, run by those who are involved in the community are an important aspect and the best chance we have at improving the situation. However, as you said, perhaps in the more difficult areas we have to reevaluate our approach.
Gixxer man i was shocked at how the youth were swallowing the whole, Freedom Fighter defender image from gangs ( they are gangs they imo are not political organisations ) playing on an old ideology they don't hold up to anymore, at least when it doesn't help them out. For example in Derry, we have Republican organisations associated to the 32 County movement shooting 'drug dealers' in the legs and terrorizing them. However, there is evidence ( strong evidence imo ) that it is republican groups flooding their own areas with drugs ( by drugs the main substances in question are cannabis and ecstasy.) Or at the minimum aware of those who are bringing the drugs. This hyproiscrisy seems to go beyond the Youth and they still believe they're fighting for the same things as the older guard were in the 1960's.
I am reminded, by a chance meeting i had we someone in a pub in Strabane, who said their would not be a peace in N.Ire, just an uneasy co-operation. Perhaps time will tell.
