Cops Shoot Child's Dog 7 Times In Bust

[BayouBaxter]

I did not take it that way, you wrote a thoughtful post on a very scary topic.

This case has nothing to do with gun-carrying citizens, but with extreme police powers. Blame in on the war on drugs.

I agree, on both counts. I'm glad someone breathed life into this thread.

America: lovely, inspirational, deeply fucked up; it's all these things and oh so much more.

mr average yank is caught in the middle wondering whats going on-----it sounds radical, but you need to ban carrying guns amongst the general populace

My feeling is, ya gotta pick yer battles. And I suspect the War on Drugs will be wound down (here's hoping, at least) long before there could ever be any ban on personal firearms.

The gun issue runs deep. The statistics are all over the place, but figure at least one-quarter of US adults are gun owners and one-third of US households have a gun on the premises. Just as a threshold matter: make any all-out attempt to prohibit these, and the resulting backlash will likely put some very undesirable personalities into positions of authority. That in itself suggests our energies are better focused on more pressing issues, like abuse of police power.

[gixxer]

lmfao,,,,,in a fucked up country where any tom,dick or harry can carry a gun legally, what do you expect

Whatever, how many times have you been there? Not as fucked up as the lovely country you are from. At least we do not blow each other up and all that shit.

you,re right marco, you dont blow each other up,,,instead yank kids take guns to school and kill as many pupils and teachers as they can

@bayoubaxter,,,do you not think the cops are heavy handed because they are entering a house that could have armed people in it,,,plus the shot dog was a pitbull, a fighting dog that is banned in britain under the daangerous dogs act.

if people were,nt armed the cops then dont need to be armed

just putting my thoughts across

[BayouBaxter]

@bayoubaxter,,,do you not think the cops are heavy handed because they are entering a house that could have armed people in it,,,plus the shot dog was a pitbull, a fighting dog that is banned in britain under the daangerous dogs act.

gixxer, I think that illustrates just the kind of Gordian knot we're dealing with here. It becomes difficult to pinpoint many scenarios where raiding cops would not want to be armed.

Ban guns, and the homeowner could still have knives, bats, and (to be realistic) black market firearms. Ban pitbulls, and you might as well target rottweilers, dobermans, german shepherds, and basically every breed short of french poodles and shih tzus.

That's why it always comes back to the War on Drugs. Take away the illegality and the gargantuan profit margins, and there goes the impetus for raids, as well as the incentive for individuals to protect their criminal enterprises with personal arsenals. There too go the mix-ups along the lines of, oops, based on a false tip we thought this casual marijuana user was running a full-on armed drug dealing operation.

[DC]

Blissfully ignorant.

Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski and how many times have ya been to Northern Ireland?.

Gixxer, Garnet Bell didn't need a gun to go back to school.

Seems quite logical to me that those guys were gonna shoot a pitbull if one appeared, put in the same position, I know I would. What a dog needs to be doin to get shot is another issue. However, they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. Crap intelligence and bad execution of the warrant meant it was like using a 'sledgehammer to crack a nut'. Bad policing nevermind the 'war on drugs', but before I'd go down that road I'd be interested in reading the rest of the dudes rap sheet.

[cantona7]

lmfao,,,,,in a fucked up country where any tom,dick or harry can carry a gun legally, what do you expect

Whatever, how many times have you been there? Not as fucked up as the lovely country you are from. At least we do not blow each other up and all that shit.

you,re right marco, you dont blow each other up,,,instead yank kids take guns to school and kill as many pupils and teachers as they can


if people were,nt armed the cops then dont need to be armed

just putting my thoughts across

i watch the news alot and haven't heard of a school shooting happening in awhile..not at a school anyway. they are doing things like installing metal detectors/xray machines in big inner city schools. i'm in the middle of fricken suburbia and my hs had 2-3 armed police officers on campus all the time. they spent alot of time trying to find kids smoking cigs/weed and drinking though. now what happens off school grounds is another issue. alof of brutal fights, shootings here and there, etc. im just speaking for my city though although i haven't heard of many school shootings nationally for awhile though. back in the late 90s and early 2000's though they seemed a weekly occurrence.

[cantona7]

ive never been there, nor do i ever want to visit

unlike others on here i can and will respect your opinion and wont attack you on it. but if you don't mind me asking whats your basis on your opinion if you've never visited? aside from what you see on the news and read on the internet. the assholes you see on tv/read about in america dont by any means represent the avg american, to believe so would be somewhat stereotyping. america like every country is ok if u stay out of the sketchy parts.alot of good/chill people over here.

[gixxer]

the basis of my opinion is every yank ive ever met

[Bilbo Baggins]

I,m very fortunate that every American I ever met seemed to be of an Appalachian background, and one charactereristic of these folks was an almost stifling politeness, which leaves me with a great opinion of America in general

Also we are talking about the country which invented rock and roll,-----Ok they thought it was a fad and it took us Brits to bring it back to them via the '' English Invasion '' but of course Americans are OK --its absurd to dislike a whole nation--any nation just because they are rich and successful.

Anyway my little rant on policing heavyhandedness has taken on hues which I did not intend

Fact is--its such a big country--and in the early days they had to appoint the likes of Texas Rangers who travelled hundreds of miles to bring outlaws to justice--and there was no time to trawl the outlaws back to civilisation and wait months before justice could be done by waiting for a proper judge--the rangers had the power to dole out summary justice as they saw fit by shooting, hanging or whatever method was appropriate at the time ( Watch the western series '' Lonesome Dove '' when stoned to appreciate this ), this form of justice was appropriate at the time as a young America tried to bring the vast sprawling wilderness under a semblence of Law and Order.

America is still even now in a process of change--who would have thought fifty years ago there would be a black President. Now obviously things need to change in the Law Enforcement arena, he Texas ranger mentality no longer applies and From a Foreign perspective has now become a country where the police have less respect for its citizens than many European countries, America is the most powerful nation on earth and should be setting an example. If Obama becoming President was the lighting of a torch which illuminated the free world----then someone needs to throw another log on the fire with sweeping gun laws--forget the jesse James/ Wyatt Earp mentality -- peace will only come when they take the guns away from the people

Once that is done the Police will not need to be so rootin tooting gun totin cowboys

ALternativly all Americans out there feel free to tell me and other Europeans to butt out and mind our own business, we are not really qualified to lecture anyone on peace and law and order after starting two world wars in the last century which ripped the world apart and from which we even now sixty yeaers later, still recovering

[Kingdoc]

Weed busts in the good ole US of A were at an all time high for last year.

[cantona7]

the basis of my opinion is every yank ive ever met

well lets say you've met 100 "yanks" in your life. there are 350 million of us man. so even if you met 100 assholes your still generalizing an entire population on a very small minority. no offense but its quite obvious you haven't met many of us when your opinion is such(i'm sure you'll say you want to keep it that way too). i try and keep an open mind and we have alot of bad apples but they are still a minority.

im not callin ya out man hope it doesn't come across as such. i ask the same questions to americans over here that say all europeans are snobby conceited/overly opinionated dips, its just not remotely true. fuck stereotypes.

[DC]

I've met enough americans to know they're just like everyone else. Some are worth the effort, some aren't. But they do say 'oh my gawd' alot.

[cantona7]

I've met enough americans to know they're just like everyone else. Some are worth the effort, some aren't. But they do say 'oh my gawd' alot.

touche' i hear that expression to much. we call them "valley girls". not sure what the dudes who say it are called. hipsters?

[DC]

Christians?.

[cantona7]

i think of the paris hilton types when i think of that expression esp with that pronunciation. to be specific people from orange county, california.

i have my own vice. i say "hella" way to much. im trying to cut down but its such a habit now im having trouble.

[gixxer]

cantona,,,ive met more than 100 yanks, and i never said any of them were assholes, most were probably ordinary decent hardworking people, the rest were squaddies in saudi.

i personally have never wanted to visit, but then theres other places i never want to go too as well.(australia,china,russia etc)

like i said before, ive met enough yanks to form my own opinion, and thats not going to change.