Marijuana for Kids!

[Stanky Danky]

How did I know if I used the word proof there you were going to pop up and say something. She said her sons behavior became dramatically better. Is that not proof enough that it CAN (not will) help?

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

How did I know if I used the word proof there you were going to pop up and say something. She said her sons behavior became dramatically better. Is that not proof enough that it CAN (not will) help?

The other guy said it caused Schizophenia in their boy, does that mean that CAN cause Schizophenia?

[Stanky Danky]

The whole smoking weed causes schizophrenia claim is complete garbage. One person with an agenda against marijuana did a study, falsely concluded their might be a connection between marijuanana smoking and mental illness. The evidence of a connection is weak at best. The media picks up on the study runs a few stories and suddenly it spreads like wildfire that smoking weed causes schizophrenia, people become brainwashed and doctors start to label kids that have behavioral problems and smoke weed as schizophrenic. All because one stinky bitch with an agenda went to a mental hospital asked how many schizos have smoked weed and how many haven't. Turns out she ran into a few more potheads than non-potheads. So I guess it's conclusive. BULLSHIT.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

The whole smoking weed causes schizophrenia claim is complete garbage. One person with an agenda against marijuana did a study, falsely concluded their might be a connection between marijuanana smoking and mental illness. The evidence of a connection is weak at best. The media picks up on the study runs a few stories and suddenly it spreads like wildfire that smoking weed causes schizophrenia, people become brainwashed and doctors start to label kids that have behavioral problems and smoke weed as schizophrenic. All because one stinky bitch with an agenda went to a mental hospital asked how many schizos have smoked weed and how many haven't. Turns out she ran into a few more potheads than non-potheads. So I guess it's conclusive. BULLSHIT.

So, if a mother of a child says it helps her son to take Cannabis that's ok, and proof it can be helpful.

But if a father of a child says it caused Schizophenia then that means he's talking bullshit and shouldn't be listened to 'cos he's misguided?

Explain the difference and why you except the first mothers testimony over the other parents?

[Stanky Danky]

Simple, it's very easy to tell if someones behavior has improved, especially if your the mother of that someone and know your childs behavior well. As opposed to someone unqualified to diagnose a mental illness like this kid's father. The whole schizo scare has caused alot of parents to jump to conclusions about their kids being mentally ill, especially in the UK where the media seems to bombard you with the scare daily. I really wish that lady would have never decided to try to connect marijuana with mental illness, because some see a study reported in the news and take it as the truth. The truth is the connection she made in her study was extremely weak and the anti-marijuana constituents in the media have had a field day mentioning the possible link ever since.

[islandgurl]

This subject is so tough I hesitated to respond, but since I can pretty much relate first-hand...

I'll never forget the phone call from the doctor's office telling me that the growth they removed from my 10 year old son was cancer... and it was malignant. Everything in the world stopped and I literally had to sit down or I would have fallen down. The next several months (and surgeries) were agonizing for everyone in our family and I swear had he needed marijuana to help him, I would have done it. I would have done anything to help him as I hope any parent would.

In my opinion the best way for a child would be to eat it or vape, but I'm thankful I never had to find out. The parents and doctors should sit down and devise the best way for it to be taken when it comes to a child, but that goes for any kind of medication. In all honesty I'd rather my child have an herb than the poisonous pills the pharmaceutical companies shove down their throats. In which, doctors usually have stock.

[bluelaru]

[quote="Sir Niall of Essex-sire"]

But if a father of a child says it caused Schizophenia then that means he's talking bullshit and shouldn't be listened to 'cos he's misguided?



Not Fighting....But posing a ponderance

What if the Schizod was already in the boy

and if wondering that...is Schizophenia...a chemical ...or environmentel ... and or social

[Uncle Ron]

So what's the solution? (Caution - flippant sarcasm ahead)

Different strokes for different folks. People are going to have different physical and psychological reactions to medications, this is a fact. Further clinical studies are needed which would enable us to make a more informed decision/choice. Currently there is sufficient clinical evidence that suggests cannabis does provide relief for specific illnesses and ailments in some people, the operative words being specific and some.
No great revelation on what I stated above as these are known as "given", like "no duh." To some however, it just doesn't matter.

The following speaks for itself:
I think the decision to use cannabis as a form of treatment should be that of the physician and the patient, or a parent/guardian in the case of a minor. Just too easy. Maybe that's the problem.

I liken this to listening to the radio - if I don't like what I'm hearing, I can either turn it off, change the station, turn down the volume, or simply ignore it. OR, in the case of some on this forum - suggest that radios be banned altogether. If radios aren't made, they can't cause ME and those simple like-minded any problems. Doesn't matter if others don't experience any of these problems, I do and people I know do as well. Blanket treatment anyone?

Bottom line - to throw a blanket over this issue is paramount to sticking ones head in the sand, won't resolve the issue. A significant problem that has plagued mankind throughout history is that ignorant people can't be reasoned with. This problem is even greater today because the ignorant and stupid have acquired great wealth and power.
Tea bag anyone?

[ftcarer]

FT,

have you requested from the teachers at the school to try more Kinesthitic teaching techniques? It seems like if your kid is decent enough at Science that it may help him in his other subjects.

They usually say the most intelligent kids have excentric personalities, this is definately something i believe in, also have you considered that the teachers are setting your kid targets too low for their abilty? This can cause problems in the class room such as restless behavior?[/quote]

Sir Niall , cheers for tht , ive some more reading to do now , you may be on to something + we got back from hols yesterday & I only opened my mail this morning , 1 of letters is from his Science teacher confirming that he has put him forward as a candidate to start his GCSE's in science & maths in september, 1 year early thanks again

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Simple, it's very easy to tell if someones behavior has improved, especially if your the mother of that someone and know your childs behavior well. As opposed to someone unqualified to diagnose a mental illness like this kid's father. The whole schizo scare has caused alot of parents to jump to conclusions about their kids being mentally ill, especially in the UK where the media seems to bombard you with the scare daily. I really wish that lady would have never decided to try to connect marijuana with mental illness, because some see a study reported in the news and take it as the truth. The truth is the connection she made in her study was extremely weak and the anti-marijuana constituents in the media have had a field day mentioning the possible link ever since.

Fair enough,

but what if i said that the women who said that their child improved from Cannabis was swept up in the MMJ wave?

The thing is man, you believe the parent who says what you think and disbelief the one who said something you don't agree with. That's selective in believing evidence, if you belief that a parent would know best, then stick to that. Don't pick and choose the parents to suit your belief.

Or...

Maybe we shouldn't accept the parents view as being enough evidence for turth or not.

You either accept all the parents say, or none of it, you can't pick and choose. For me, i don't accept it, evidence has to be demonstrable and scientific not the subjective opinion of the parents; whatever that view is.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

FT,

have you requested from the teachers at the school to try more Kinesthitic teaching techniques? It seems like if your kid is decent enough at Science that it may help him in his other subjects.

They usually say the most intelligent kids have excentric personalities, this is definately something i believe in, also have you considered that the teachers are setting your kid targets too low for their abilty? This can cause problems in the class room such as restless behavior?

Sir Niall , cheers for tht , ive some more reading to do now , you may be on to something + we got back from hols yesterday & I only opened my mail this morning , 1 of letters is from his Science teacher confirming that he has put him forward as a candidate to start his GCSE's in science & maths in september, 1 year early thanks again [/quote]

No worries FT,

remember that you pay the teachers wages, and they have a duty of care under the ECM guidelines, so they must carry out your request.

I wouldn't worry about your boy, i taught a kid that was bouncing off the walls all the time unless i seriously challenged him and made the lessons appeal to his particular learning style. It's part of the job, so the other teachers should do the same thing. That kid i taught incidently got near on straight A* at GCSE 'cos teachers done their job properly with him in the end.

Sounds like you could have a genius on your hands there bud!

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

But if a father of a child says it caused Schizophenia then that means he's talking bullshit and shouldn't be listened to 'cos he's misguided?



Not Fighting....But posing a ponderance

What if the Schizod was already in the boy

and if wondering that...is Schizophenia...a chemical ...or environmentel ... and or social

Blue, i believe that there are other aspects which contribute to mental illness than genes. The point i was making was that to say that a parent knows best and should be believed in whatever they say about their kids ( in this case in relation to Cannabis ) is a dangerous standard of evidence to set.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

In my opinion the best way for a child would be to eat it or vape, but I'm thankful I never had to find out. The parents and doctors should sit down and devise the best way for it to be taken when it comes to a child, but that goes for any kind of medication. In all honesty I'd rather my child have an herb than the poisonous pills the pharmaceutical companies shove down their throats. In which, doctors usually have stock.

I see what you're saying IG, but for me, i would prefer my child took a drug for an illness which was fully studied and understood in terms of long term effects etc. Whether that drug takes the form of a pill or not.

I also think Cancer is a different deal completely from the alliments the video is discussing. If people with a serious illness want to take Cannabis to ease the pain, i've never argued against that. I've said before that Cannabis is useful for pain relief, my argument is more aimed against ADHD etc.

[Stanky Danky]

but what if i said that the women who said that their child improved from Cannabis was swept up in the MMJ wave?

Yes that piece would have been alot less convincing if the mother was Sally the hippie who was prescribed to marijuana for wrist pains, but the lady in the video was the complete opposite. She was very skepitical before the treatment began and ended up being blown away by the results.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

but what if i said that the women who said that their child improved from Cannabis was swept up in the MMJ wave?

Yes that piece would have been alot less convincing if the mother was Sally the hippie who was prescribed to marijuana for wrist pains, but the lady in the video was the complete opposite. She was very skepitical before the treatment began and ended up being blown away by the results.

Right, but you seem to think that parent of the other child is unable to make the judgement why? Do you know for a fact he's anti-Cannabis? No. You dont. You ignore the 'evidence' because it doesn't agree with you. You say a parent would know best, apparently only if they are pro-MMJ, otherwise they're mis-guided.

Same with most MMJ activists, if you challenge them you're anti-Cannabis or brainwashed, if you agree with them you're ok

So why do you accept the first parents testimony and the second one?

It seems you're not in a position to question the parents history etc. as you don't know. So why?