Cannabis use killed heart attack mum

Boner · Post by **Boner** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 06:50 pm

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... attack_mum

I know everyones going to say it's bullshit but smoking ciggies can cause heart problems so I dont see why smoking cannabis couldn't of been a factor in her death.

hardboiled · Post by **hardboiled** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 07:01 pm

It's the first death ever attributed to marijuana use that I'm aware of.

Moralist preening is the bullshit in this story: "But it is my duty to emphasise the risks related to that lifestyle"

Stanky Danky · Post by **Stanky Danky** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 09:07 pm

Bullshit piece, there's no way for the pathologist to directly attribute her heart attack to cannabis consumption.

startled-giraffe · Post by **startled-giraffe** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 10:00 pm

She is from the UK. She mixes her joints with tobacco. Smoking tobacco causes heart problems. It's pretty likely she smoked straights too.

Did she drink alcohol? Regularly consume caffeine? What were her eating habits? How often did she exercise?

Jesus christ. "The direct cause of her death was cardiac arrest because of a history of smoking cannabis." How the fuck can they possibly say that

pengaldinho · Post by **pengaldinho** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 10:36 pm

It might have been some deadly soapbar. I swear that stuff could kill someone.

startled-giraffe · Post by **startled-giraffe** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 10:39 pm

pengaldinho wrote:It might have been some deadly soapbar. I swear that stuff could kill someone.

Probably more to do with what isn't cannabis than cannabis itself.

Pauli Wallnuts · Post by **Pauli Wallnuts** » Thu 26th Aug 2010 11:16 pm

smoking is smoking, smoke is smoke, the human body was not designed to inhale smoke, be it tobacco, cannabis,banana skins, old socks, of course it could trigger a heart attack

treetop · Post by **treetop** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 12:32 am

time to purchase that happy vappy methinks.

colinzeal · Post by **colinzeal** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 12:46 am

of course vapourising is not perfect either, just better.

colinzeal · Post by **colinzeal** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 01:50 am

startled-giraffe wrote:She is from the UK. She mixes her joints with tobacco. Smoking tobacco causes heart problems. It's pretty likely she smoked straights too.

Did she drink alcohol? Regularly consume caffeine? What were her eating habits? How often did she exercise?

Jesus christ. "The direct cause of her death was cardiac arrest because of a history of smoking cannabis." How the fuck can they possibly say that

Maybe she didnt smoke cigarettes. If so the coroner is justified in saying that her cannabis smoking caused the heart damage associated with smoking.

you make a big leap claiming its pretty likely she smoke straights. its not that likely, plenty of people who use tobacco in joints outright refuse cigarettes. though really you have no idea how likely or unlikely it was.

Smoking anything causes problems, hot weed smoke, even water-cooled weed smoke, the paper wrapped around your joint. Jesus theres not even any convincing long-term evidence that vapourising is "safe" but you are all happy to assume it is.

safe = causes no damage, not the same as safer which is easy!

startled-giraffe · Post by **startled-giraffe** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 02:53 am

colinzeal wrote:
startled-giraffe wrote:She is from the UK. She mixes her joints with tobacco. Smoking tobacco causes heart problems. It's pretty likely she smoked straights too.

Did she drink alcohol? Regularly consume caffeine? What were her eating habits? How often did she exercise?

Jesus christ. "The direct cause of her death was cardiac arrest because of a history of smoking cannabis." How the fuck can they possibly say that
Maybe she didnt smoke cigarettes. If so the coroner is justified in saying that her cannabis smoking caused the heart damage associated with smoking. Again, "The direct cause of her death was cardiac arrest because of a history of smoking cannabis."

you make a big leap claiming its pretty likely she smoke straights. its not that likely, plenty of people who use tobacco in joints outright refuse cigarettes. though really you have no idea how likely or unlikely it was.

Smoking anything causes problems, hot weed smoke, even water-cooled weed smoke, the paper wrapped around your joint. Jesus theres not even any convincing long-term evidence that vapourising is "safe" but you are all happy to assume it is.

safe = causes no damage, not the same as safer which is easy!

I'm saying it's likely. I don't smoke cigs, but most of the other people i know who smoke weed as regularly as "not quite everyday" do.
I'm not saying the smoke from other sources aren't harmful, just negligible in terms of heart damage compared to tobacco smoke and the other substances I listed.
I doubt she was a non-smoking, non-drinking, caffeine-free, healthy food nut who exercised as much as she could to have a heart attack at 30 something.

And I wasn't even disputing the fact that cannabis smoke contributed, only the fact that the pathologist put cannabis smoking as the direct cause.

colinzeal · Post by **colinzeal** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 02:58 am

you do not possess the facts of the case the pathologist did but do seem rather eager to dismiss any validity his report may contain, which is interesting considering the lack the insight into how the decision was made contained in this article. (which hasn't made it beyond the Manc Evening Post yet seemingly)

i think it is rather similar to how the alcohol drinking uk public reacted to being told by a scientist that cannabis was safer than booze. doubt you questioned David Nutt's reasoning with speculations.

"Most people I know" hardly gives a sound basis for calculating likelihoods.

And as I said, perhaps this lady didn't do anything else that causes heart damage other than smoking joints so the pathologist was justified in claiming it a direct cause. You do not know otherwise.

Uncle Ron · Post by **Uncle Ron** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 08:11 am

So what if smoking pot caused her to have a heart attack? So what if smoking pot didn't cause her to have a heart attack? So what? Knee jerk reactionaries and those who react to them, enjoy yourselves. Bugs Bunny.

sh@dy · Post by **sh@dy** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 10:20 am

startled-giraffe wrote:She is from the UK. She mixes her joints with tobacco. Smoking tobacco causes heart problems. It's pretty likely she smoked straights too.

Did she drink alcohol? Regularly consume caffeine? What were her eating habits? How often did she exercise?

Jesus christ. "The direct cause of her death was cardiac arrest because of a history of smoking cannabis." How the fuck can they possibly say that

absolutely right.
the oldest woman in the world was a cannabis smoker, and since she lived in thailand I would say she smoked pure....so people, smoke pure or dont complain about the problems caused by tobacco

startled-giraffe · Post by **startled-giraffe** » Fri 27th Aug 2010 11:06 am

colinzeal wrote:you do not possess the facts of the case the pathologist did but do seem rather eager to dismiss any validity his report may contain, which is interesting considering the lack the insight into how the decision was made contained in this article. (which hasn't made it beyond the Manc Evening Post yet seemingly)

i think it is rather similar to how the alcohol drinking uk public reacted to being told by a scientist that cannabis was safer than booze. doubt you questioned David Nutt's reasoning with speculations.

"Most people I know" hardly gives a sound basis for calculating likelihoods.

And as I said, perhaps this lady didn't do anything else that causes heart damage other than smoking joints so the pathologist was justified in claiming it a direct cause. You do not know otherwise.

I was trying to make a point that there are a whole lot of every day factors which effect the health of the heart, ergo unless she was the pinnacle of human health her death could not "directly" be attributed to cannabis smoking.