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Stanky Danky Wrote

I would love to be able to vacation and sample some of Cali's finest.

That would be great, you would have us lot spending a 1000 bucks to fly over the pond then. It would be good though, I need to holiday somewhere other than Holland. But sad as I am I just love my herbs and a holiday aint much of a holiday without a relaxed smoke.

Stanky Danky wrote: If marijuana wasn't already medicinal in Cali it would be a completely different story. The voters would be dreaming of a coffeeshop utopia in the sunshine. Instead they're dreading a tax and a reduction in growing capacity. Kinda sucks it won't pass, I would love to be able to vacation and sample some of Cali's finest.

More to the point if it were a more rigorous medical system it would be a different story. As it stands if I moved to Cali I could get my MMJ card the same day as my driver's license whilie in other states the chances would be slim and none.

And yeah, I would love to be able to pay 1/2 the cost and not have to feel guilty about not learning another language/culture/etc. Of course, it would be best of all if I could go to a coffeeshop near my house. Then the chances I would leave the state are pretty darn slim.

The USA wont ever (imo) have coffeeshops as such no matter what happens regarding marijuana, the no smoking laws would make sure of that.

Boner wrote:The USA wont ever (imo) have coffeeshops as such no matter what happens regarding marijuana, the no smoking laws would make sure of that.

It depends on the amount of money involved.

For example, if you go to Atlantic City there is a smoking and nonsmoking section of most casinos. Also in Philidelphia there are a few old school cigar bars(I had my 31st birthday in one, actually).

I think that if it were fully legalized you would end up having an occasional coffeeshop in some areas and the head shops would change over to be more like the tobacco shops we currently have in the US.

Most smoking would happen much as it does now, among friends or at large events like festivals or concerts.

Boner wrote:The USA wont ever (imo) have coffeeshops as such no matter what happens regarding marijuana, the no smoking laws would make sure of that.

The law only applies to cigarette smoke. I posted a video of a coffeeshop in Oregon a while back, so there is actually one Amsterdam style coffeeshop in the US. I know they recently changed the law in Cali so dispensaries are no longer allowed to have smoking lounges, but I think that was over concerns about drugged driving not second hand smoke.

Stanky Danky wrote:

Boner wrote:The USA wont ever (imo) have coffeeshops as such no matter what happens regarding marijuana, the no smoking laws would make sure of that.

The law only applies to cigarette smoke. I posted a video of a coffeeshop in Oregon a while back, so there is actually one Amsterdam style coffeeshop in the US. I know they recently changed the law in Cali so dispensaries are no longer allowed to have smoking lounges, but I think that was over concerns about drugged driving not second hand smoke.

Please link me to info on this change in the law. Thanks

Geezer wrote:

Stanky Danky wrote:

Boner wrote:The USA wont ever (imo) have coffeeshops as such no matter what happens regarding marijuana, the no smoking laws would make sure of that.

The law only applies to cigarette smoke. I posted a video of a coffeeshop in Oregon a while back, so there is actually one Amsterdam style coffeeshop in the US. I know they recently changed the law in Cali so dispensaries are no longer allowed to have smoking lounges, but I think that was over concerns about drugged driving not second hand smoke.

Please link me to info on this change in the law. Thanks

I can't find any news on it, but I'm pretty sure I watched a Youtube video of someone smoking at a dispensary and saying they weren't going to be allowed to smoke at a dispensary after that day. I think it might have been a city ordinance thing and not a state law, I'm not sure.

bleak wrote:

Boner wrote:My guess is Prop 19 wont pass anyway mainly due to the medical users in cali, a lot are expressing a dislike to to the restrictions of having just 25 square foot to grow in plus the reported $15,000 a year it'll cost in taxes (growing??).

I'm losing hope as well, theres a LOT of negative talk about Prop 19 in the stoner community. What reall annoys me is that most of the complaints are coming from medical marijuana industry and users, who say things like 'we like the way it is now'. Fuck everyone else who is going to jail and getting criminal records, as long as the medical users have theirs

They do have a legitimate concern about taxes though - the $15,000 figure is just a made up number, but apparently Prop 19 does leave the taxes open to each city, so its possible some cities could introduce a ridiculous tax like that. But if they did, well obviously people would just continue growing underground like they do now. But you'd have the additional benefit of pot being VERY widespread, prices would tumble (including seeds and grow equipment).

i def defriended a guy on fb..a dispensary owner because of his constant anti prop 19 posts. funny thing is he also goes on about his support for norml...

Boner wrote:The USA wont ever (imo) have coffeeshops as such no matter what happens regarding marijuana, the no smoking laws would make sure of that.

yea smoking isn't banned indoors at a federal level. we have a no smoking law here in washington, but its rarely enforced in the co-ops. and if you make it a private club with free membership and basically say that no one minds because everyone inside is smoking anyway it creates a sort of legal loop hole. thats how a few of the egyptian hookah bars in seattle stayed open. most of the people in the waiting rooms in the co-ops are smokin joints, pipes,bongs,vaping, etc. from what iv been told its siiliar in oregon and cali..states which also have smoking bans.


speaking of ehich...a small victory in my little corner of the world.

http://www.tacomaweekly.com/article/5016


oddly enough tacoma is the only city that made an issue of it. seattle/kong county have had no trouble because they arent causing trouble. small victory here..next step hopefully seing i-1068 get more support enxt year and atleast make the ballot. people were more interested in the closing of state run liquor stores this year.

I thought California was stupid over smoking (I appreciate the ban is for tobacco but if they did legalise marijuana it wouldn't be long before they extended it to marijuana as well) like smoking being banned in an apartment block if said apartments air conditioning was linked or if say 1 apartment had a child living in it no-one in any other apartment could smoke and you were also banned from smoking in your car if you have children in it (morally you shouldn't anyway but thats another matter), or is that wrong?

I remember going to see a run of Dead shows in Sanfrancisco in 94.
We went out for dinner and i was still a social smoker at the time, i asked if we could be seated in the smoking section?
I was told the closest smoking section was Mexico LOL.

Boner wrote:I thought California was stupid over smoking (I appreciate the ban is for tobacco but if they did legalise marijuana it wouldn't be long before they extended it to marijuana as well) like smoking being banned in an apartment block if said apartments air conditioning was linked or if say 1 apartment had a child living in it no-one in any other apartment could smoke and you were also banned from smoking in your car if you have children in it (morally you shouldn't anyway but thats another matter), or is that wrong?

im not 100% on california's, but i think theirs are similiar to ours, and there are alot of loopholes aside from at bars and restaurants. making it a private membership club is one. smoking rooms are another. speaking on my experiences here as long as its not being practically blown out the door its pretty easy to not enforce it anyway.

That would be interesting to see how the smoking ban would relate to marijuana, especially since MJ is not linked to cancer, or cancer causing second hand smoke.

I lived in California until I was 24, and I remember when the smoking ban went into effect. Since that time, I have never once walked into any public place that allowed smoking in any shape or form, but as far as I know the ban only includes areas run by service industries, and not residences.

In any event, Japan does NOT have a smoking ban, and the amount of smoke in small bars and restaurants is offensive.

LadyJane wrote:That would be interesting to see how the smoking ban would relate to marijuana, especially since MJ is not linked to cancer, or cancer causing second hand smoke.

As soon as you burn something it produces carcinogens which are linked to cancer, the only way a 'coffeeshop' could get around this is for them to only allow vaporizers.