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An Amanita muscaria mushroom
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An Amanita muscaria mushroom

It contains a number of entheogenic constituents: ibotenic acid, muscimol, muscazone and muscarine, of which muscimol (3hydroxy-5-aminomethy-1 isoxazole, an unsaturated cyclic hydroxamic acid) is the most significant. Muscarine, discovered in 1869, was long thought to be the active hallucinogenic agent in A. muscaria until late 1960s, when scientists recognized it as ibotenic acid and muscimol. Some users cook the mushroom before ingestion, because it is said that the ibotenic acid turns into muscimol under this heat. This suposedly removes several unpleasant side effects due to the conversion of the much more toxic ibotenic acid into muscimol.

Consuming the mushrooms in doses of over 1 gram can cause nausea but also can cause a number of other effects, depending on dosage, ranging from twitching to drowsiness, cholinergic effects (lower blood pressure, increase sweat and saliva), visual distortions, mood changes, euphoria, relaxation, and hallucinations. In near fatal doses it causes swollen features, high rage and madness, characterised by bouts of mania, followed by periods of quiet hallucination. Effects appear after 60 minutes or so, peak within three hours, but certain effects can last for up to ten hours. The effect per volume consumed is highly variable and individuals can react quite differently to the same dose. The mushroom has been mistaken for other yellow to red species in the Americas (for example, Armillaria cf. mella and the edible Mexican species Amanita basii (similar to A. caesarea of Europe)). Poison control centers in the U.S. and Canada are aware that "amarillo" is a common name of caesarea-like species in Mexico, not just the Spanish for 'yellow'.

Deaths from A. muscaria are extremely rare. Fatal doses have occurred in North America (var. guessowii). The amount and ratio of chemical compounds per mushroom varies widely from region to region, season to season, further confusing the issue. Many older books list it as deadly, giving the impression that it is far more toxic than it really is. The vast majority of mushroom poisoning fatalities (90+ %) are from having eaten either the greenish to yellowish to brownish mottled death cap (Amanita phalloides) or one of the destroying angels (Amanita virosa), several overall white Amanita species.

The toxic substances of A. muscaria are water soluble and susceptible to temperature. The mushroom can be de-toxified by thoroughly parboiling or leaching it in boiling water. Once detoxified, the mushroom becomes edible, and can be used as ordinary food.

I heard about the Peyote cactus from a Mexican girl.
She never took them herself, but told me about the local rituals around Peyote.

So, what are the odds of a bad trip when taking Peyote ? Is it like mushrooms, that it depends on your state of mind ?
Or does the mescalin also comes with a euphoric feeling (this I've heard).

You dont have to bold the letters, I can read them

I still wouldnt eat any fly agaric's sounds like there not for me, I'll stick to the regular strains.

Mescaline is a little more "out of reality" than shrooms, I took a huge dose though, im not a spiritual person so I will never have a "spiritual" experience. State of mind has an effect on your attitude so "bad tripping" only happens to me when I'm in a bad mood or at a bad point in life before I start tripping. Mescaline is far more euphoric than shrooms, because with shrooms you know whats going on around you and you may get visuals when your looking at something, with mescaline you could be on your couch and think that you are some place else and it's so euphoric that you actually forget where your at and think that you're there. Its more of a journey through your own mind, than a hallucination. When it was over, the day after I felt more enlightend and more Earthy. strange drug, it's not the type of experience anyone would want daily. It's a definate "must try before you die" type of thing.

I only emphasised it AS because after I posted it you immediately disagreed...... just out of interest do you just post with guesswork? Why not do a tiny amount of research first before putting the preverbial boot in the mouth?

Oh, how wikipedia could solve so many of our world's problems.

Oh, and it's not perverbial, it's proverbial, from the word proverb, derived from the latin proverbium, meaning practical expression of truth or wisdom, widely known and used.

See wikipedia's helped you already!

wikipedia is wrote by regular people, so it's probably not 100% accurate, If you go back to what I saidyou would read that the first two words were "I think" and I think doesnt mean that I am posative that it contained it nor did I disagree, and I get so stoned every day that I dont like to google, If me saying "I think" puts my foot in my mouth to you, you need to lay off the web surfing because regulating on me is just not that important, thanks for that article it was very informative. Why do you guys nitpick at everything I say, try to find a discrepency in my post, and then ATTACK! HE GOT IT WRONG! This thread is about Peyote/mescaline and I wanted to let anyone who wanted to know about it, what it's like. Stop correcting me at every turn, I could have corrected you but I didn't. Also I think correcting someones spelling is one of the rudest things you can do in a weed forum, we are all stoned when we get online and exact spelling is not required, so if you can understand something, let it go the guy was stoned and made a mistake.

711 wrote:Oh, how wikipedia could solve so many of our world's problems.

Oh, and it's not perverbial, it's proverbial, from the word proverb, derived from the latin proverbium, meaning practical expression of truth or wisdom, widely known and used.

See wikipedia's helped you already!

Everyone makes typos and errors.... you're only one notch up from ameriskunk ATM after that post.... being literate when stoned is not the easiest thing in the world.... so when you finally reach your terminal destination of becoming a school teacher then you can start correcting your class... I feel no need for your pedantry.

AmeriSkunk wrote:wikipedia is wrote by regular people, so it's probably not 100% accurate, If you go back to what I saidyou would read that the first two words were "I think" and I think doesnt mean that I am posative that it contained it nor did I disagree, and I get so stoned every day that I dont like to google, If me saying "I think" puts my foot in my mouth to you, you need to lay off the web surfing because regulating on me is just not that important, thanks for that article it was very informative. Why do you guys nitpick at everything I say, try to find a discrepency in my post, and then ATTACK! HE GOT IT WRONG! This thread is about Peyote/mescaline and I wanted to let anyone who wanted to know about it, what it's like. Stop correcting me at every turn, I could have corrected you but I didn't. Also I think correcting someones spelling is one of the rudest things you can do in a weed forum, we are all stoned when we get online and exact spelling is not required, so if you can understand something, let it go the guy was stoned and made a mistake.

Now this is really out mof character for me..... but... I'm gonna have to do it.... FUCK OFF YOU PISSANT CRETIN.

I feel so much better now.

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Gonzo I was sticking up for you, I was talking about 711 correcting your "proverbial" mistake(pun not intended). I was telling 711 not to correct people's spelling I think it's rude. There's no need for it in a weed forum. I was the one that said let misspellings go because we all get stoned and make mistakes. As far as Fly agarics go, you know more about them than I do, but I still dont plan on eating any. I wasnt correcting you I didnt even know you misspelled anything, chill out man.

DrGonzo wrote:

711 wrote:Oh, how wikipedia could solve so many of our world's problems.

Oh, and it's not perverbial, it's proverbial, from the word proverb, derived from the latin proverbium, meaning practical expression of truth or wisdom, widely known and used.

See wikipedia's helped you already!

Everyone makes typos and errors.... you're only one notch up from ameriskunk ATM after that post.... being literate when stoned is not the easiest thing in the world.... so when you finally reach your terminal destination of becoming a school teacher then you can start correcting your class... I feel no need for your pedantry.

Yowch, last time I try to lighten the mood in a fight thread, wah.

I wasnt trying to piss anyone off I just think speach corrections are not needed and it shows bad etiquette. Again not trying to piss you off 711 but I just think corrections are not needed because we all get high while were online and such, and make mistakes. Gonzo none of that was aimed at you so, hit the pipe and cool your jets

AmeriSkunk wrote:I wasnt trying to piss anyone off I just think speach corrections are not needed and it shows bad etiquette. Again not trying to piss you off 711 but I just think corrections are not needed because we all get high while were online and such, and make mistakes. Gonzo none of that was aimed at you so, hit the pipe and cool your jets

You guys are just not seeing the humor in it that I see. If either of you had made a similar remark, I'd enjoy it. I guess it's just our different brands of humor.

That's the problem with the written word.... unless you're bright enough you can't put any emphasis or infliction into sentences like this.... you obviously haven't.

Imagine everything you write to be ambiguous, that way you can't be accused of anything.

That's the problem with the written word.... unless you're bright enough you can't put any emphasis or infliction into sentences like this.... you obviously haven't.

Imagine everything you write to be ambiguous, that way you can't be accused of anything.

I agree 100% because you never know someones else's attitude at the moment in a forum, now I only answer the questions that people ask, because I too try to be funny but people just dont get it, or think something else was meant.

711 I do see the funny side to that "proverbial"(pun intended) mistake, but I was so high that I didnt catch it. Come on Gonzo, admit that it was a little funny

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