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Exactly Pauli, count me in for directing my taxes towards cheaper education instead of killing muslims and controlling oil.

Boner wrote:If somebody wants a degree they'll find a way to pay for it, lazy cunts should be working and not protesting.

Can't work and learn to be a Doctor, Nurse or Teacher. All need degree level education Boner, and it's the public services degrees that suffer. Those who study buisness, economics arent una feel the increase, those who work for the love of the job or through a duty to society will feel it. It hits the vital social services the hardest.

If we don't protest when our leader lie to us, they'll do it untill i becomes insane...its what lead the way for the expenses scandels etc, voter apathy.

The best thing for any country is to educate its young people, that should be one of the top priorities.

Loved the little incident with Charles last night. WTF, why do you drive your sovereign around in a unarmored Rolls with windows that roll down?

Off with is head!

Whats the problem ? am i right in thinking although the cost of education has went up you dont actually pay for it up front ? And you pay money back off your salary WHEN your making a certain amount of money ( same system as student loans)

If that is the case then whats the big hoorah about , if its not like said above then my bad

As for the Prince Charles thing im far from a royalist i fucking hate the Royals and see no need for them in todays society , however i think it was dispicable that they were attacked jus no need that is not protest its a fuckin liberty

Your leaders(so called) are LIEING to us all all the time anyway, we are all just numbers to them. And when i went to college etc years back i had to pay for myself and work part - time also to pay for my course etc.

So why the fuck should the tax payer pay more towards students who just extend their course year after year, and then go on another course, so they dont have to go out and work, most of these course etc now and just an excuse for a few years piss up.

When the country is SKINT, like we are and there is not any more money for students and many others jobs/services, do they think rioting will change anything, Not.

And to deface the war memorial etc is a Disgrace.

STENMAN wrote:Your leaders(so called) are LIEING to us all all the time anyway, we are all just numbers to them. And when i went to college etc years back i had to pay for myself and work part - time also to pay for my course etc.

So why the fuck should the tax payer pay more towards students who just extend their course year after year, and then go on another course, so they dont have to go out and work, most of these course etc now and just an excuse for a few years piss up.

When the country is SKINT, like we are and there is not any more money for students and many others jobs/services, do they think rioting will change anything, Not.

And to deface the war memorial etc is a Disgrace.

The issue is this; Students atm pay for their courses which are just over three grand per year. The Government has decided, in their infinate wisdom, that to make savings their needs to be departmental cuts. Not a real problem in my opinion, however they have cut 80% of the Higher Education provisions. Now who do you think benifits from those allowances, it won't be the Oxbridge/ICL crowd, it'll be by the Universities who are there to wider education and funnel people into the public services. This is once again making Universities elitest and one of the best things Labour done, like them or not, is open education up to the masses.

Tax payers pay for ALL courses as it stands with this legisation. My argument is that those studying for courses that lead to higher paid jobs ( Economics etc.) should pay more for their course due to the outcome of their course is usually better paid. Why affect Teachers etc. with the same debt as a big city banker when one earns massively while the other doesn't? Also ffs why don't they cut he loop hole that if you don't work in this country you don't have to pay the loan back? That'll save alot of money.

An issue for me, and this purely a theological one,is that all Arts and Hummanities money has been cut. Now what does this say about how we value knowledge in society? That it's only good insofar as it provides us with the chance to make money or provide services? It seem to me that the intellectual tradition of Britain, from the wonderful work of Cudworth to modern day thinkers, is being put on the chopping block for economic concerns. This i think is worrying.

They (students) shouldn't be blamed wholly for the rioting, ask anyone there and there was a large Anarcaist presence. Why do you think the Treasury came under attack?

What you're seeing here is the Tory's installing a class divide for FE, and this going to cause alot of problems. Just wait.

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The only thing i would disagree with is the point about those doing degrees such as 'economics's' should pay more because they are perhaps more likely to earn more. People doing these sort of degree's will most likely earn more i agree. But because they earn more they are put into a higher tax bracket, therefore given the government more money. So in my opinion these sort of jobs should be as easy accessible as any other.

Am I right in saying that none of this effects Scottish Students?

Surely the ConDummies would make much bigger Savings by closing the Tax Loopholes that allow the Super Rich to remain Super rich?........Hold on......the ConDummies are a collection of Multi-millionaires.......in that case, we'll just arse rape the poor, and those who aspire to get further Educated........
Out of interest, hows all you're Grandparents coping in this horrid winter? Can they afford to put the heating on? Can they afford their weekly shop?

All my Grand Parents have left this god forsaken planet...just in time to I think

The country is so fucked.....I hope more people Riot....proper riot.....not peaceful protests.....peaceful protest in this day and age, achieve nowt....How many people marched against the Invasion of Iraq?

I know alot of members might not agree.........I'd be interested to know why though?

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The only thing i would disagree with is the point about those doing degrees such as 'economics's' should pay more because they are perhaps more likely to earn more. People doing these sort of degree's will most likely earn more i agree. But because they earn more they are put into a higher tax bracket, therefore given the government more money. So in my opinion these sort of jobs should be as easy accessible as any other.

I think that perhaps you're right, but given the basis of which the Government use to argue for this cut; that the country needs to have a few years in which we tighten our economic belts (not saying that this true or false just it is their basis) then there needs to be cuts. So, why do we cut that which affects those on Public/lower paid courses? If the cuts need to happen, why are we cutting in the places which hit the hardest to the peopl less prepared to take the shot?

Twich, i'm a pacifist, but i can see why they're rioting. Perhaps you're right, more of the same would of stopped the Iraq War involvement. I think Westminster does need a shake up, but i cannot condone violence to other humans, violence to buildings etc. as long as it doesn't cause distress to people i'm slightly more sympathetic to. You're also dead right, Scottish students still don't pay for their courses, and anyone want to take a guess which side the Scottish MP's voted for on this issue?

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:.... You're also dead right, Scottish students still don't pay for their courses, and anyone want to take a guess which side the Scottish MP's voted for on this issue?

I dunno about all Scottish MP's, but all the Edinburgh MPs voted against it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/201 ... ition-fees.

I just fail to see what is to be gained by making further Education something, essentially, for the wealthy..... I love this quote from Scotlands Education Secretary, Micheal Russel

We have made it clear we are willing to consider all sensible ideas, no matter how radical or innovative, except for one - tuition fees

When we publish the green paper next week it will include a range of options but they will all be guided by one defining principle – the state will remain the primary provider of education in Scotland.

VIVE L ANARCJIE!! FREE THE STUDENTS!!
HANG CHALES AND CAMILLA!!
VIVE LE NEW KING WILLY AND HES QUEEN!

ON SNL lastnight Sir paul was making fun of Charle and Camilla in the riot!! was funny shitzel!

Twichaldinho wrote:

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:.... You're also dead right, Scottish students still don't pay for their courses, and anyone want to take a guess which side the Scottish MP's voted for on this issue?

I dunno about all Scottish MP's, but all the Edinburgh MPs voted against it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/201 ... ition-fees.

I just fail to see what is to be gained by making further Education something, essentially, for the wealthy..... I love this quote from Scotlands Education Secretary, Micheal Russel

We have made it clear we are willing to consider all sensible ideas, no matter how radical or innovative, except for one - tuition fees

When we publish the green paper next week it will include a range of options but they will all be guided by one defining principle – the state will remain the primary provider of education in Scotland.

Jesus i didn't realise they voted against it, fair play to them!

Tbh Twich, i think Scotland has the right idea with HE. However in England there is still a view that University is a privilage as apposed to the right of HE study for all those who are capable, regardless of financial background.

I have to say my biggest problem at the moment is the way we seem to be losing the right to protest. Admittedly there do seem to be some anarchistic elements to these protests, but is that any excuse to detain people for long periods of time, without accusation or explanation and without access to basic human rights like shelter, water, clean sanitation and maybe even (lets push the boat out) food. Where the great 'bastion of democracy' even now warns potential protesters of the fact they will be 'kettled' late into the night if they decide to protest... The charging of crowds of demonstrators of all ages, including a good proportion of which were children, indiscriminately, by police horses and the violence the aftermath of this action caused, is a shameful in my opinion.

What a brilliant model we are giving to the young people of this country. If you don't like something, shut up, or the Government will shut you up.

When these cuts start to hit the workers hard, they will be on the streets too. A demoralized police force thanks to their own funding cuts, who knows, we might some sort of revolution yet?

demoralized police ???? ha! thats a joke....well paid,early retirement? straight from uni on fast track promotions?....bollocks! slash their pay,slash the pay of the top echelons.....maybe they can be payed on a pro rata system....more bonus for every time they ILLEGALY drag someone from a wheelchair or beat them to death....maybe buy the police some new water cannon or some more ever so cash efficient helicopters to fly around in (which they didnt need during the riot as the whole area was covered by their stasi style CCTV)....and if they hadnt used "kettling" then the group that attacked charles and dog would have been at main demo/riot instead of being diverted into the other shopping area...FUCK THE POLICE....on the other side....give charlie gilmour a swift kick up the arse for disrepecting the fallen heroes of this country......only thing stopping petrol bombs flying in britain is the ripoff prices of fuel!!!...like the reporters said "other countries have revolutions,in britain we have riots"....the last time there was full unrest in britain (1920's) it got to the stage of the govt putting TANKS on the streets....the govt (ha joke!) should take note...THE CON IS OVER,WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!! maybe we should borrow a symbol from our colonial brethren and rally under the "don't tread on me" banner!!!!....sorry for my rant but its about time we woke up to the con of uk govt...how many bankers are suffering? none!! how may of the political elite are suffering? none!!! who are left to pay pay and pay again for their messes..? US the people!!!!.......VIVE LA REVOLUTION,VIVE L'ANARCHIE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2 ... ntyre.html

An interview with the wheelchair-bound cerebral palsy sufferer, attacked by police (allegedly..). Check out the tone and direction of the full interview, and then ask yourself, 'how impartial is the BBC?'