An update from Nol, Drugs Debate March 1!

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An update from Nol, Drugs Debate March 1!

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Here is an update Nol posted on Channels.

Feb 29, 2012
The Netherlands awaits a red hot Drugs Debate, lies and fiction exposed!

Tomorrow, March 1, the Dutch MP's (Tweede Kamer) will hold the long awaited Drugs Debate, it has been postponed for years. The notable resistance against the Weedpass must have pushed the MP's to hold it now, before Opstelten's disastrous plan comes to action.

Here's a summary of today's news about the Weedpass and the upcoming Drugs Debate, stirring the shit even more, which started after all 16 coffeeshops in Haarlem refused the Weedpass all together.

The sad news is that all 8 coffeeshops of Breda intend to introduce the Weedpass together, to make it easier for the autorities to check their members list. Reading it made my stomach twist, and the word 'traitors' popped up in my head, and it is still there as I type this. Disgusting!

http://www.bredavandaag.nl/nieuws/algem ... offeeshops

Another article exposes the lies of the former Head of the Hemp Task Force, Police Chief Max Daniel, who kept on stating that 80% of the cannabis grown in the Netherlands is meant for export, thus getting him the millions to figh' the 'hemp' growing crooks. The truth is that it has never been so hard to get good cannabis for coffeeshops, because the smaller growers have all been caught or discouraged by the intense prosecution and the huge penalties involved.

Mario Lap, a Dutch Drugs expert, explains how it really is, these days:

“”Meanwhile, there is a phenomena going that shows the incredibility of the export figures of the Taskforce. Dutch coffeeshop entrepreneurs are very worried about the declining quality of the cannabis they are offered. 'It is all about import now', says Mario Lap, director of the Drugtext Foundation and well informed and integrated in the coffeehop and cannabis consumers culture.
'The weed that comes into coffeeshops from Holland is really too sad for words.'

As a consequence of the Taskforce's “hemp hunt', the best growers have disappearred, says Lap.
Lap spoke with coffeeshop entrepreneurs in Haarlem, Amsterdam and Arnhem, they all told the same story. Now they beget their weed from other countries. Growers are active for the Dutch market in Germany, France, Poland and Spain. “Often by Dutchies, because the have the best seeds.” “”

http://www.groene.nl/commentaar/2012-02 ... -drijfzand


Capital flight!

I can only add he is completely right, but that is not all, not only did we lose a lot of Dutch growers, the Netherlands are now losing millions from their economy every week, the money now goes to the countries that import cannabis into the Netherlands! The Taskforce managed to push the cannabis culture back 20 years, when Nederwiet growers pushed hash from the market, and reduced it to 15 % of the sales in the coffeeshops. That also stopped a capital flight to countries like Morocco and Pakistan, we did not need their hash anymore, and the Nederwiet guilders poored into the Dutch economy.

Not only did the Taskforce abuse the millions they received after supplying the government with data they made up over lunch, they caused a new capital flight, from a country that is officially in recession! I bet our government does not even realize all this, they are completely out of touch with Dutch society as a whole.

The third article is based on statements of Tofik Dibi, an MP of the Green Left party, who pleads that the Netherlands should be: 'The guiding country in the struggle against drug problems once again'.
He says the Netherlands should look at Portugal, where all drugs were decriminalized in 2001, now 10 years later, it shows it worked.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3184/opi ... leem.dhtml

I totally agree with his view, I am sure he will have his questions for tomorrow's Drugs Debate piled up high. Dibi also asked for research into the Privacy elements of the Weedpass, he has support from a majority in the Tweede Kamer, but the research has not been done, so far.

It will be a hot debate tomorrow, I am sure the Weedpass and the Taskforce will end up being cut to pieces by the opposition, Chief Max Daniel's lies and fiction will be exposed, and the Weedpass appears to break more Laws than a Nederwiet grower.

Nol van Schaik.
Secretary Team Haarlems' Coffeeshopentrepreneurs. (THC)
Jan 13, 2011
This is what is going on, and more cities have already opposed the WP, amongst those Haarlem. The "Drugsnota" is on the agenda for Jan. 28.
The distance criteria is the last barrier to jump.

The Dutch Weedpass: Failure before introduction.

The new Dutch government wants to introduce a Weedpass for coffeeshops, for Dutch citizens only, in order to exclude foreigners from buying cannabis. The reason for this project is to stop the cannabis tourism to the Dutch cities in the border areas near Belgium and Germany.
Justice Minister Opstelten wants to introduce the Weedpass fast and first in the border cities, the rest of the country will follow, he wants to introduce the Weedpass 'nationwide'.

Nationwide introduction of the Weedpass is impossible, because only 101 of Hollands' 441 municipalities allow coffeeshops, the smokers in the 340 vilaages and towns without coffeeshops buy on the black market for decades now. The Weedpass will be for local use only, so the smokers from municipalities without coffeeshops will not be able to apply for the Weedpass, they will keep buying from streetdealers, for them, and their suppliers, nothing will change.

The only solution to get rid of the cannabis tourism in our border areas would be the introdution of cannabis outlets in Germany, Belgium, France and the UK, so they do not have to come to Dutch coffeeshops any longer. This is not a stupid proposal, and it is no longer forbidden in European politics:
coffeeshopnews.nl/index.php?option=com_k...d=7&id=1195#1195

My guess is the EU came out with this news because of the hype around the Weedpass, and the verdict of the European Court, allowing the Dutch Weedpass technically, because drugs, including cannabis, are considered illegal in Eu contries.
coffeeshopnews.nl/index.php?option=com_k...;catid=7&id=1233

I think this ruling is made by looking at EU countries in general, but the Netherlanders have a right to use drugs in their country, by exercising their ' right to a rush' (RECHT OP ROES), allowing an individual to use any substance he/she chooses to explore.
The Schengen agreement states that every EU citizen has the same rights as the citizens of the EU country he/she is visiting, named as free trafficbetween EU countries and the free exchange of goods and knowledge between these countries.

If any Dutch person has the 'right to a rush', how can we deny our co-Eu citizens this right?
I bet the EU Court never even heard of this right. In Holland it is allowed to use drugs, it is illegal to sell drugs, except for the 666 tolerated cannabis coffeeshops.

The hype around the Weedpass will soon come to an end, the City Council of Maastricht, the City that was supposed to run a Weedpass pilot, rejects the Weedpass as such by minority, and will change the Local Law in order to make it impossible to introduce the Weedpass in Maastricht, ever. This means the Weedpass will pass the weed, because it will only work if all border cities introduce it, without Maastricht it makes no sense at all, all tourists would go there...
This would mean the end of a stupid scheme, because the rest of Dutch Cities with coffeeshops will not introduce the Weedpass, as most of them, like Amsterdam, did not want the pass in the first place.

I say. let the weed pass, from the Dutch coffeeshops to those who want it, from whereever they are.
I call upon the German, French and Belgium cannabis affecionados to try to open their own cannabis outlets, the EU will let you do it!

Nol van Schaik, coffeeshop entrepreneur, Haarlem, the Netherlands.
Last edited by Balou on Wed 29th Feb 2012 04:16 pm, edited 2 times in total.


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Hey balou, just wondering if that it recent what you quoted up there. Pretty sure that I have read it already.
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aa05084 wrote:Hey balou, just wondering if that it recent what you quoted up there. Pretty sure that I have read it already.
Posted it today, 20:55 CET.
http://forum.channels.nl/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=37114

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Praying to anyone who will listen that the wietpas doesn't come into being before April 2011 :lol:
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Re: An update from Nol, Drugs Debate March 1!

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Update in first post.

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Interesting quote there from Nol, re the EU though ,imho if you mention to any person in the UK or Ireland that the EU was involved in any new move towards any thing they would immediately take to the barricades.The UN via Professor Hamid Ghodse, president of the UN's International Narcotics Control Board,has suggested that countries the UK included has no go areas a bit like Brazil,of course the Politicans and police come out in their droves to deny it,but my personal experience would suggest that in certain areas of the UK the police do not go into certain areas unless mob handed and even then are told to feck off..Now we all know that Cameron has said that gambling is an industry so we have to legislate for it thus reducing the criminal element and control why can't the same be applied to cannabis?
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Thanks fort the update Balou... +1 :mrgreen:

A few thoughts....
- To state that the majority of cannabis sold in shops is imported is a HUGE feather in the Law Enforcement's cap (also an embarrassment). Think about it, a goal is to shut down every commercial grower in The Netherlands. By the C/S's own account, they are succeeding. But this also means that massive quantities of cannabis is getting past their Customs and Border security agencies. :oops:
- I don't doubt for a moment that cannabis is exported, who doesn't like Nederwiet and Nederhash(?), but 80% exported... possible but I have serious doubts.
- Growers may be active for the Dutch market in Germany, France, Poland and Spain, but the story leaves out (arguably) the biggest suppliers, the Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians, and other areas within the region. Check out Vienna, Austria's MASSIVE cannabis clone industry, only a few Km's from the Slovakian and Hungarian borders. Coincidence, perhaps, but I have legitimate doubts.

Big thanks to Nol van Schaik (and others) for standing up and fighting this insanity.
Happy trails..
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Didnt know all drugs in Portugal were made legal in 2001!
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