Royal Mail

Anything else.

Moderator: Balou

User avatar
Rufus
Posts: 1064
Joined: Fri 11th Jun 2010 02:34 pm

Royal Mail

Post by Rufus »

Hey everyone, this is a query for UK ACD'rs:

Has anyone ever had an 'issue' with Royal Mail recorded delivery items going missing??

Here is my fiasco:

New Roor bong and other paraphrenalia ordered and was dispatched from the particular company last Monday. Delivery was to take up to 5 working days. Thinking this time is up and I'm getting a bit impatient I checked the tracking item number on the Royal Mail website today. It said it was delivered last Wednesday and there is a copy of a signature. Here is the thing not only was no one in my house at the time and date of delivery but the signature (which is my name) is not my writing, in fact it's nothing like it. My neighbours in close proximity to me are all decent folk and would hand it over, by why the hell would someone sign my name and not their own? Why take recorded delivery to a different house?

Complained to Royal Mail today and they asked the contents of the missing item, errr here is the thing....a vase :? Now I'm thinking have I opened a can of worms here.....

Has anyone else had these problems or a scabby person signing for stuff or a nosey neighbour opening your items thinking oh ho hmmm now I know what goes on in that house!!

Bloody hell never a dull moment!!!

Thank you!!!


vandaag is het begin van de rest van je leven
User avatar
Dava
Posts: 854
Joined: Mon 14th Jun 2010 01:03 pm
Location: UK, Leeds

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Dava »

erm thats a weird one!, id guess some stoner at royal mail has pinched it!!!
Cisco
Posts: 6721
Joined: Mon 16th Mar 2009 04:14 pm

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Cisco »

Yeah that sounds to me the delivery dude has turned up with it and no-one is in so hes left it and signed it himself :shock: its known that they do this when they should not , it was on a despatches programme or something .

Check all around your property and it may actually be there :!:

good luck
-
User avatar
Rufus
Posts: 1064
Joined: Fri 11th Jun 2010 02:34 pm

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Rufus »

Yeah Dava I actually think some dirty scumbag has nicked it who works for Royal Mail.

But aye Cisco wouldn't surprise me if that happens, but normally the postmen who deliver round my way are really by the book because I normally have to run down to our central depot and collect the bloody parcels as they never ever leave them, but nope nothing around the house either. I'm actually starting to wish I never made the complaint about my 'vase' now :roll:
vandaag is het begin van de rest van je leven
artymac
Posts: 617
Joined: Tue 8th Dec 2009 01:22 am
Location: west coast of Scotland

Re: Royal Mail

Post by artymac »

"Rufus" i've tried to put myself in your shoes to think how i would look at/deal with, the whole very sorry situation.
First things first, as "Cisco" said have a good look round yer house if you've a bin cupboard or the like. Next go and ask the neighbours if somebody from the mail knocked on their door to take in a parcel for you and they've put it aside and forgot about it, somebody in the house might have brought it in without the other knowing, or if they saw a post office van on the "Wednesday" and a parcel go to your door. A neighbour may have it, they may have been at your door, but you weren't in and now they are away themselves if you can't get an answer. You say you know your neighbours...does any of them know you love a 'toke'? It's always the quiet ones "Rufus"! Layer it on a bit "Rufus" with them..."Bloody royal mail... if they've lost my present of glassware i'll sue them...or if one of them has pinched it ...i'll get the police involved" If a neighbour has taken a shine to a big box, which i do doubt, they may cough it up.
As "Dava" said, weird. But how would a postie who was delivering you package know what was in it? Or did they just take a chance and decide to pinch a lovely big box, possibly because it had a shipping address from the "Netherlands"? I thought no, but people do strange things. It could have been any old crap and would you risk yer job, a possible court date, yer name in the local paper and an outraged "Rufus" comin' after you for lucky dip like that? My vaporiser was a box within a box, no way of knowing.
I would imagine that pinchin' a parcel of that size would be risky and difficult from the sortin' depot. Which again leaves the post office delivery man, could he/she have got a whiff of weed on a pervious visit and thought your big parcel was pay dirt? (Which it was, but not the way they may have hoped)
The post office must know who was charged to deliver you parcel on the "Wednesday" it was 'delivered' They have routes asigned to individuals. Remember, you've done nothin' wrong, only bought and paid to have delivered a piece of glassware that was to be a gift for "Gixxer" :lol: :lol: or me please(You'll have no shortage of offers for a "Roor"!!). You have been wronged and as it was not against the law to buy your glassware, it's none of their concern, other than it was not delivered. So if you get no joy from the neighbours ask the post office to ask the delivery driver in question who he gave your parcel to. Somebody had to sign it in front of them.
I really sorry about that "Rufus" and it just confirms again my suspicions that life is pish. :cry: :twisted:
Hope my paranoia has in some way helped. Who says it's not useful at times :wink:
User avatar
Rufus
Posts: 1064
Joined: Fri 11th Jun 2010 02:34 pm

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Rufus »

Thanks artymac, no it's definitely not anywhere around the outside of the house that's for sure. My neighbours really are good, but I'm at home during the day tomorrow so I'll start to stalk them until I get answers :evil: :lol:

As for Royal Mail, bunch of tossers!! I only got through to a call centre somewhere in England and if it wasn't the bloody automated machine who couldn't understand my accent (did it understand for fuck sake as I had to repeat my reference number three times because it didn't recognise what 'H' was in an Irish accent) it was the trainiee trying to take my details, so Christ only knows if I'll ever hear back from them :roll: Oh yeah I will, apparently in errr ahhh, errr a few days :roll:

The parcel wasn't from the Netherlands it was from a company in England and it is pretty plain packaging they use as I have used them before.
I'm afraid though it was neither a pressie for you or gixxer, it was my xmas pressie to me :( and this is no ordinary Roor it's a Roor 'blue' :)

The only real explanation I can think of is that the postie did sign himself as Cisco suggested and it was left at the front door and some other dirty scumbag has lifted it, but to be honest I wouldn't say I live in that kind of area and there are always loads of folk about...and I have one neighbour across the road who missing nothing, so she is my first call tomorrow!

The saga continues so I'll keep you all updated with the latest chapter in Rufus' life :wink:
vandaag is het begin van de rest van je leven
Trad
Posts: 1543
Joined: Wed 30th Sep 2009 02:35 am
Location: SW Ontario, Canada

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Trad »

Sorry to hear of your bad time Rufus... :(
If the postman signed your name and left the package on the front step, surely he/post office would be responsible for said package. Him signing your name is not standard practice.
Good Luck.
If I don't see you no more in this world, I'll meet you on the next one.
JMH
User avatar
Boner
Posts: 9996
Joined: Thu 7th Apr 2005 12:07 am
Location: Anywhere but here...

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Boner »

Yeah it's RM's responsibility, they shouldn't sign for anything as a rule, mine signs for things that can get posted through the letterbox but anything bigger he always knocks, just call it a souvenir for tobacco smoking.
Being pedantic and knobbish since 1972
User avatar
Rufus
Posts: 1064
Joined: Fri 11th Jun 2010 02:34 pm

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Rufus »

Thanks all 8)

I managed to corner my own postie today and ask him what the craic was with recorded delivery items and the drivers and the routes as I know he just delivers normal post. Apparently it is normally the same person who will cover the same route :? I have also checked with my neighbours but to no avail... I'm guessing RM should remiburse me for the lost items which means I shall fess up the full contents of my order as I'll need to print the confirmation from the website and their tracking order...fantastic :roll:

Of course no word about my complaint as of yet today, the fun continues...
vandaag is het begin van de rest van je leven
steven
Posts: 816
Joined: Sun 11th Jan 2009 11:07 pm
Location: Paradise

Re: Royal Mail

Post by steven »

I really feel for ya, I hope you get something back in compo :(
artymac
Posts: 617
Joined: Tue 8th Dec 2009 01:22 am
Location: west coast of Scotland

Re: Royal Mail

Post by artymac »

"Rufus", you could be in line to join me at the ACDers end of year awards ceremony in the category "Most unlucky toker in a, all to real, dramatic roll" award... and the winner is "Rufus", for her court room scene opposite "Postman Pat" and 'his' lovely blue Roor. :evil:
I'm not takin' the piss "Rufus", i'm just tryin' to cheer you up a bit and make you smile :wink:
Remember "Rufus", no news is good news..sometimes..the Royal mail will want to find out what happened as much as you and you should, if it turns out that the bastard that's causin' you grief is one of theirs, be in line for a backhander as well as gettin' your 'glass ware', smokin' "souvenir" as "Boner" wrote :lol: and an apology.
Hope you get some good news about your 'bong' soon 8)
User avatar
Rufus
Posts: 1064
Joined: Fri 11th Jun 2010 02:34 pm

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Rufus »

One week later the saga continues and perhaps I shouldn't type this now as I am completely fucked off, but what the hell...

So after me chasing Royal Mail again :evil: I managed to speak with someone who I think may have been in Belfast (a bonus me thinks or at least she had a Belfast accent) apparently the delivery driver and someone in the sorting office have been interviewed by their manager and get this: "they can't recall my parcel, because they were busy that day", errr ok now forgive me here, like WTF!!! How is that information going to help me???? So I say not good enough, what I want to know now is what is going to happen next. Apparently my complaint is being passed back to Belfast for further investigation :roll: and I will get a call later today...not holding my breath, but the helpful lady I think knew that I was pretty pissed about this and I left her in no uncertain terms that I want answers :evil:
vandaag is het begin van de rest van je leven
User avatar
Uncle Ron
Posts: 3471
Joined: Sat 14th Mar 2009 12:03 am
Location: Lost since '73

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Uncle Ron »

Sorry to hear about your dilemma.
Time to speak with, read retain, a lawyer?
Applying some practical thinking, you have them (RM) dead to rights, if all you say if true. The problem will be that you have to prove their negligence. Let's see if you can, shall we?
- you know the date, time, and location of delivery
- you know the name of the delivery agent
- there is a record of the forged signature

What, if any, method was used to properly identify the person receiving the package?
Where were you when the package was delivered? Prove it!
Have you given permission to someone so that they may receive packages on your behalf?
Signature comparison/analysis: yours, the delivery agent, etc...
... and the list goes on.

Contact a lawyer.
Good luck.
artymac
Posts: 617
Joined: Tue 8th Dec 2009 01:22 am
Location: west coast of Scotland

Re: Royal Mail

Post by artymac »

Again, i'm sorry that this has happened to you and really pissed off along with you.
As you say, "Bollocks". So the delivery driver and a helper at the sortin' office don't know anythin' about it...if the delivery driver can't remember a nice large parcel that would be needed to contain your "Roor" and other stuff, he couldn't remember the way to work. In the humble opinion of this 'toker', that sounds very fishy. If he can't remember havin' to go to your door, possibly weighted down with a relatively bulky box, can't remember havin' had to drive the route needed to deliver this, can't remember speaking to and gettin' this person at your door to sigh for it, he'd better be preparin' for a lot more questions to be comin' his way. Did the day in question have lots of parcels bein' delivered to the area you live in, or even remotely close by? For me, in the position of the delivery guy, 'can't remember', is simply a nonsense. He either does, or he doesn't, remember the parcel. Yes or No. Once again, this in the opinion of this 'toker', is very fishy.
As i'm sure you and all the other ACDer's know, in work places, especially like sortin' offices, where routinely valuable goods, money in birthday cards and 'hopes and best wishes' from "Holland", go missin', the security problems are massive and it is very difficult to catch the people doin' it, as inside knowledge is everythin'. The papers only ever report the cases were a postie has literally their spare room filled with 'stuff', or somebody finds a sack of mail down an embankment, cause some lazy idiot can't be arsed to deliver them. It is a big problem for the "Royal Mail" and they know it.
"Rufus", this is your decision to make, how you wish to continue with what has happened, but don't delay if you're wantin' answers.
This again is only my opinion and i hope other ACDers 'post' with suggestions or alternative courses of action for you to take.
I would read every thing that's been posted here and write down all the things that are relevent, or don't add up.
Things like..
Does the "Royal Mail" acknowledge that the parcel was in their possession and it was not delivered to yourself.
Does the "Royal Mail" acknowledge that the signature on the receipt is not yours and does it resemble the delivery drivers, or the person from the sortin' offices', style of hand writin'? Can you have a copy of your supposed signature for your parcel?
Have you been in contact with the company who sent your parcel, so they too can acknowledge they put your parcel in the care of the "Royal Mail"? They may also be able to give you tips on how to handle the matter.
Did the delivery driver on the day this was meant to have been delivered, have a route that took them to your street, if not near your street, or indeed anywhere near your area? This also counts for the days before or after. You said none of your neighbours saw a post office van that "Wednesday", was anybody workin' outside nearby who may have seen this? "Google" the weather for that day if you can't remember it, so you can throw questions in the direction of the delivery driver to 'jog' his memory. (Apologies,this may have been a female just as easily)
Has anyone else complained of mail goin' missin' that feature on this drivers routes?
How does the "Royal Mail feel about a delivery driver who can't remember if he delivered a large box to a particular street, can't remember goin to your door and seein' you or havin' you sign for the parcel he can't remember (were you wearin' camouflaged P.J.'s and that's why he never saw you!!) Was it a piece of paper you had to sigh or one of them gadgets were you sign a screen, that records the exact time as well.
...be aggressive, don't ask for, demand a face to face meetin' with a manager, as this has gone on to long without anwsers.
Have the police been involved?, if not what is bein' done internally? (The "Royal Mail", like all large companies, doesn't like the bad publicity that comes with the theft of the publics belongings whilst in their care. It's bad for public and business confidence and they will avoid washin' their dirty laundry where possible)
Say, with the lack of information being given to you, that you feel your reputation is bein' called into question, as is your honesty and integrity and you will seek legal advice on the matter. If you feel the manager is giving you the run around, ask to seen their manager to apply a little more pressure. (Most managers are useless bastards, who couldn't do the job the people on the shop floor do in the first place. The people they are usually expected to manage know this and generally take the piss out them. So say'th the Lord.) As it's passed up the chain of command, it in turn looks like the previous manager can't handle the pace!
Remember you are in the right, They had your souvenir glassware artwork! and now they don't. Remember, if the contents are puttin you off, or have you at all worried, it is, as "Boner", described it, a 'souvenir', this could be used in so many different situations and should be filed away. How about collectable glassware if this fits the bill for the insurance claim. Again have a word with the people you bought it from if necessary!!
Go get em "Rufus", i see "Uncle Ron" has covered a lot of this before i posted!! My typin' is too slow and i ran out of time a few times and had to re-type it :evil: Some of the advice may be repeated, but it's all good and "Uncle Ron" is on the money.
Keep us all up to date and don't let the bastards grind you down :wink: 8)
User avatar
Rufus
Posts: 1064
Joined: Fri 11th Jun 2010 02:34 pm

Re: Royal Mail

Post by Rufus »

Uncle Ron wrote:Sorry to hear about your dilemma.
- you know the date, time, and location of delivery
- you know the name of the delivery agent
- there is a record of the forged signature

What, if any, method was used to properly identify the person receiving the package?
Where were you when the package was delivered? Prove it!
Have you given permission to someone so that they may receive packages on your behalf?
Signature comparison/analysis: yours, the delivery agent, etc...
... and the list goes on.

Contact a lawyer.
Good luck.
Thanks Uncle Ron:

Yes I know date, time and location of delivery, yes I know who was meant to have delivered it, and I have a record of the forged signature. I can prove I wasn't in the house when the package was meant to have been delivered, no one else had permission to receive it...I'm curious now for some of their answers, still waiting for my phone call mind you, I guess there is always tomorrow :roll:

@ Artymac what can I say WOW that was long post!!! thank you for the comprehensive response!!!
Yes, it possibly is a load of balls that they can't remember the package but I guess I'm going to have bother proving that. It was one of those little electronic signature jobs and yes I have taken a screen shot of my alleged signature just in case it somehow goes 'missing' from the Royal Mail website during the process of their investigations...I'm also having bother contacting the original company but at the minute my target is RM as I believe there is something either very weird or very fishy going on :evil:

And no I wont let this lie, I'm a very nice, calm, rational down to earth girl, but no one, or no company should ever make the mistake to think that makes me weak and it is best not to cross me or fuck me about because I won't have it :twisted:

So on that note, I will keep you all errr posted, pardon the pun :lol:
vandaag is het begin van de rest van je leven
Post Reply