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Marijuana causes global warming

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http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/ ... lobal.html

How does one douchebag get press on something this ridiculous?

"People growing marijuana indoors use 1 percent of the U.S. electricity supply, and they create 17 million metric tons of carbon dioxide every year (not counting the smoke exhaled), according to a report by Evan Mills, an energy analyst at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California.

In order to produce some 17,000 metric tons of marijuana this year, Mills estimates authorized growers will use $5 billion worth of energy. That works out to the output of seven big electric power plants."

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What's the percentage of GAMING, CHATTING, TV WATCHING or HAIR DRYING :!: :?: Why are these not singled out as a 'cause of global warming' :?: I say legalize it if you're worried about electric consumption.


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I read this stupid shit earlier and just laughed.What about the co2 that the plants use to grow?
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I was thinking.17,000 metric tons of pot is 17 million kilos or 37.4 million pounds.Thats more than a pound per resident of the state.Now California produces alot of cannabis,but that much,I don't know.I think this story has so many flaws its amazing.
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A little research will show these numbers to be in the ballpark of accuracy.
The math used is fairly basic: maximum product output per square foot; energy (lumen) required per square foot; Kilowatt consumption rate per 1000W lamp; cost per Kilowatt; amount of coal/gas/oil/wind/water/etc... required to produce one Kilowatt; 17,000 metric tons of product; etc...

As stated in the article, the author did not take into account the resources expended in producing the various growing materials required, ie... flower pots (containers), nutrients and fertilizers (and their containers), exhaust fans, assorted cables and duct, etc.... All of these items require the expenditure of resources, ie... energy, this is no great revelation.

Bottom line, we can use this information to our benefit by looking at ways to lessen our carbon footprint, while others will add this to their argument against cannabis.

Happy global warming... not!
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Uncle Ron wrote:A little research will show these numbers to be in the ballpark of accuracy.
The math used is fairly basic: maximum product output per square foot; energy (lumen) required per square foot; Kilowatt consumption rate per 1000W lamp; cost per Kilowatt; amount of coal/gas/oil/wind/water/etc... required to produce one Kilowatt; 17,000 metric tons of product; etc...

As stated in the article, the author did not take into account the resources expended in producing the various growing materials required, ie... flower pots (containers), nutrients and fertilizers (and their containers), exhaust fans, assorted cables and duct, etc.... All of these items require the expenditure of resources, ie... energy, this is no great revelation.

Bottom line, we can use this information to our benefit by looking at ways to lessen our carbon footprint, while others will add this to their argument against cannabis.

Happy global warming... not!
Excellent points. A lot of people decry evil energy companies, or nuclear power, but when it comes down to it, the ones USING power are us. The Internet and all the related infrastructures (mobile networks, etc) are the fasted growing consumption of energy. The rate of new data centers being built is astounding and they are gross users of power. Yes, alternatives are being used and data centers are 10x more efficient than a decade ago....but every single post, click or email you send uses power, from your PC, to the network, data center, etc. We all need to reduce our power consumption, not simply say 'no nukes'.

Very, very few agricultural products that I know are grown under lights. Inside, yes, but under lights, its mostly weed. There is no way that is carbon neutral.
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and the stronger and better counterclaim is.....cannabis is one of the fastest growing species that ABSORB huge amounts of co2 while growing....so negating it's own carbon footprint....stick that in yer pipe and smoke it!
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echc1 wrote:and the stronger and better counterclaim is.....cannabis is one of the fastest growing species that ABSORB huge amounts of co2 while growing....so negating it's own carbon footprint....stick that in yer pipe and smoke it!
Really, inside, under lights? Please share the data.
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ed the head wrote:http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/news/ ... lobal.html
"People growing marijuana indoors use 1 percent of the U.S. electricity supply, and they create 17 million metric tons of carbon dioxide every year (not counting the smoke exhaled), according to a report by Evan Mills, an energy analyst at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California.

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1 percent is too insignificant of a portion of the overall electricity consumption to be isolated as a serious factor. In normal operation more power is produced than consumed. What about this electricity? You still have to burn fuel to produce this energy. Available data is based only on consumed energy. The premise is flawed because the assumption of 100% efficiency in electric PRODUCTION (generating CO2) relative to the consumption of that electricity. When you consider this aspect, 1 percent is diluted to a portion of 1 percent, so the question really becomes, why is this insignificant factor being singled out?

This article doesn't state science, it states an incomplete, inaccurate and flawed assessment.

If Douchbag Mills can employ flawed logic then I can as well. Why not take the position that there is no CO2 production in the consumption of electricity, only in the production of it. One could argue this is solely the responsiblity of the company/utility burning the coal. The consumer just wants electricity, he doesn't dictate how it is produced. By this new and improved logic, 100% of the CO2 problem falls on the producers.

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Uncle Ron wrote:A little research will show these numbers to be in the ballpark of accuracy.
The math used is fairly basic: maximum product output per square foot; energy (lumen) required per square foot; Kilowatt consumption rate per 1000W lamp; cost per Kilowatt; amount of coal/gas/oil/wind/water/etc... required to produce one Kilowatt; 17,000 metric tons of product; etc...

As stated in the article, the author did not take into account the resources expended in producing the various growing materials required, ie... flower pots (containers), nutrients and fertilizers (and their containers), exhaust fans, assorted cables and duct, etc.... All of these items require the expenditure of resources, ie... energy, this is no great revelation.

Bottom line, we can use this information to our benefit by looking at ways to lessen our carbon footprint, while others will add this to their argument against cannabis.

Happy global warming... not!
http://www.off-grid.net/2011/04/14/the- ... -cannabis/

"using this study to blame marihuana growers for being responsible of high CO2 emissions and, in the process, blaming pot, seems ridiculous."
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well, if it was legalized, we could grow outdoor and wouldnt have to use any light ....so the solution to this is simple ;)
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sh@dy wrote:well, if it was legalized, we could grow outdoor and wouldnt have to use any light ....so the solution to this is simple ;)
Agree with you 1000%. Its one thing that is forced to be underground, thus the costs to society are much higher. Imagine if we did not waste all the money of the war on drugs (or war on terror), and had invested that money in clean energy, starting 40 years ago.....this would be a non-issue.
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Marco wrote:
sh@dy wrote:well, if it was legalized, we could grow outdoor and wouldnt have to use any light ....so the solution to this is simple ;)
Agree with you 1000%. Its one thing that is forced to be underground, thus the costs to society are much higher. Imagine if we did not waste all the money of the war on drugs (or war on terror), and had invested that money in clean energy, starting 40 years ago.....this would be a non-issue.
The RAF wasnt always right with the things they did, but it was not all wrong they tried ;)

maybe we need more of those people to kill some of the so called "politicians" of our time....but hey, I am no terrorist, so please CIA, if you read this....dont even bother ;)
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Marco wrote:
sh@dy wrote:well, if it was legalized, we could grow outdoor and wouldnt have to use any light ....so the solution to this is simple ;)
Agree with you 1000%. Its one thing that is forced to be underground, thus the costs to society are much higher. Imagine if we did not waste all the money of the war on drugs (or war on terror), and had invested that money in clean energy, starting 40 years ago.....this would be a non-issue.

nikola tesla showed that you can generate free electricity, too bad these kinda inventions where destroyed for electricity companys sake.
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Them speaking a load of BS causes global warming,Not forgeting all the crap they print also,KD.
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