London Riots 2011

[MOFOFUNK]

Dirty rioting scum. They are a bunch of fucking kids trying to get kicks. I dare one of them little fuck wits to come down my street and try any of that shit and I will put a pick-axe through his skull. Can't we just get the army in to use these shit bags as target practice.....there’s a few round my area they can start with...

[cantona7]

1of the saddest things is the buildings that got torched were some of the nicest in croydon been their for over 150 yrs, west croydon is unrecognisable now, so many eyesores & they torch these
@cantona, im not directly blaming music but u gotta admit its an image obssesed genre, which is what all these kids care about..image

i still disagree pauli. well atleast partially. your right it is image..but only part of the genre. the stuff you see on mtv or hear on radio 1, hot 97(over here)..thats all image/sponsorship plastic rap. but the real heart and soul of hip hop..the mc's who define the genre and spit rhymes of the style of the roots of hip hop...its all underground or semi underground still. rappers like mos def, talib , gift of gab, etc etc etc all rap about real stuff/issues and positive messages. rappers like jay z, eminem, wiz khalifa etc who glorify behavior like rioting/murder ..those guys are the ones that should be blamed imo.

[Kermit]

Can't we just get the army in to use these shit bags as target practice.....

Syrian

Why coz the crappy police we pay shit loads of money to and for cant cope with a few little kids, the best police force in the world most expensive shower of shit more like.

[cantona7]

off topic...kinda. but how big a police force are the metropolitan police? do they have a violent rep like say the lapd?

to bad all these folks cant have a dab or 2 and calm down.

[artymac]

"bigs" i'm not sure if i'm the 'U' you are referring to, but i'd like to respond to your post.
Your first paragraph... i have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain what, "poverty has a different meaning in the Uk. It's not about starving, famine and disease. It's about cycles of behaviour that has been going on for generations.", means? Buzz words.

Second paragraph, what a wild generalisation, that on one hand tells anyone who, "can't play football or do music, your doing crime", you're lost, give up, don't try, at the first sign that something goes wrong give up, don't give a fuck about anyone but yourself, it's a dog eat dog world, buy into the shite you're being sold, don't think for yourself, you have no choice, don't respect anyone or anything, might is right, take whatever you want, there is no community.... the list goes on.
On the other hand, there is no good, "if you are born in certain places and from a certain social demographic your fucked", give up on all the people who just happen to live there, evil bastards don't deserve better, cheer them if they wear the correct football strip, or sing along if they succeed in planning their escape, the rest.... forget them, why should we care, you see it on TV they don't respect themselves why should we care? That's a pretty pish poor message to be sending out to many people, especially the younger more impressionable, who could do with a lift up and encouragement, not listening to 'peers' who see them as cannon fodder, or a means to an end for themselves.

Third paragraph. "State of mind"? Who's selling them that "get rich or die trying" myth? The media, the music and film industries that doesn't have room for more than the one in several million. Almost forgot, the same 'peers', and idiots mentioned at the end of the last paragraph above.
Hands up everyone who aspires to be a 'crackhead'? Go on everyone on the forum, who if offered unlimited supplies of a devastating drug like 'crack' for their own use would say "That's the life for me".... How about career crimminal? Doing whatever, in and out of prison.....
Not everybody has to work 16 hours a day to pay their bills, undoubtedly there will be people who do this for many reasons, most people try to cut their cloth to suit their needs. More 'peer' and consumer pressure. How about saying that most underrated word in the world. No.
Why would young people want to take one of those routes? So they don't end up in prison, or dead. So they can show their own children, their younger brothers and sisters and friends there is a different way. So they can enjoy watching their children, their younger brothers and sisters and friends grow up. So they can show the community they grow up in that they give a damn. So they can say, "Look, i've shown some independent thought, have a life of my own and as best as i can, i will not let the bastards grind me down", on any level, for my sake, my families sake, or the place where i live.

Fourth paragraph. Have to say it does sound as though you are, "justifying these stupid actions" more than one bit.
How are the people who live in this demographic, "below the class system"? Don't understand that one either.
"then who the fuck r u really to comment".
Everyone gets to comment, we all do but let's keep it civilised.
Are you middle class? You commented on them in your next sentence.
If by below the class system you mean living the "alternative lifestyle", not buying into society, being a career crimminal, fuck everyone else.... don't phone for a policeman, an ambulance,the fire brigade, expect the NHS to fix you up.
If you spend your life preaching the 'Fuck you' lifestyle, don't be asking for help. No council house, scripts or operations, otherewise, ...."You're not keeping it 'Real' man".....
'Alternative lifestyle' for career crimminals, robbing, raping, mugging, assaults, house breaking etc... Laugh, i thought i'd never start. keep buying into that and you'll be the despised type of social worker who gets it from both sides.
"Tupac" got it right in one regard, "They don't give a fuck about us".... that's the pricks of every description out there, regardless of colour, creed, class or no class, job or no job.
As for the police state.... "Britain" may not be the best, but it is by no means the worst out there.
Designed the system? Have a look at "Draco" from ancient "Greece". Way before 'us'. Way before "Draco", there was someone else who was on top of the 'dung' heap.
"Fat cats" .... they're everywhere, from the ghetto to the Government.
Could you give me a few examples of places that are not police states and would you like to live there?

[2rollingstoned]

This is a scary situation, I hope you are all ok and stay safe!

[Marco]

Sounds like people rose up and protected their own communities, respect.

[Roccy Tittzenbeer]

Read a quote this morning that vigilante groups were getting in the way of the police and hampering them I reckon it's the other way around
Interesting to see the groups of Turks and Sikhs out in force guarding their stuff and displaying the don't f*ck with us attitude - looks to be working and good for them

[echc1]

put armed security on each food type business and a giant volcano vape on each street corner.....everyone mellows out then and are too stoned to riot....bonglord,we need your stash!!!!.....problem solved!!

[bigs]

"bigs" i'm not sure if i'm the 'U' you are referring to, but i'd like to respond to your post.
Your first paragraph... i have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain what, "poverty has a different meaning in the Uk. It's not about starving, famine and disease. It's about cycles of behaviour that has been going on for generations.", means? Buzz words.

Second paragraph, what a wild generalisation, that on one hand tells anyone who, "can't play football or do music, your doing crime", you're lost, give up, don't try, at the first sign that something goes wrong give up, don't give a fuck about anyone but yourself, it's a dog eat dog world, buy into the shite you're being sold, don't think for yourself, you have no choice, don't respect anyone or anything, might is right, take whatever you want, there is no community.... the list goes on.
On the other hand, there is no good, "if you are born in certain places and from a certain social demographic your fucked", give up on all the people who just happen to live there, evil bastards don't deserve better, cheer them if they wear the correct football strip, or sing along if they succeed in planning their escape, the rest.... forget them, why should we care, you see it on TV they don't respect themselves why should we care? That's a pretty pish poor message to be sending out to many people, especially the younger more impressionable, who could do with a lift up and encouragement, not listening to 'peers' who see them as cannon fodder, or a means to an end for themselves.

Third paragraph. "State of mind"? Who's selling them that "get rich or die trying" myth? The media, the music and film industries that doesn't have room for more than the one in several million. Almost forgot, the same 'peers', and idiots mentioned at the end of the last paragraph above.
Hands up everyone who aspires to be a 'crackhead'? Go on everyone on the forum, who if offered unlimited supplies of a devastating drug like 'crack' for their own use would say "That's the life for me".... How about career crimminal? Doing whatever, in and out of prison.....
Not everybody has to work 16 hours a day to pay their bills, undoubtedly there will be people who do this for many reasons, most people try to cut their cloth to suit their needs. More 'peer' and consumer pressure. How about saying that most underrated word in the world. No.
Why would young people want to take one of those routes? So they don't end up in prison, or dead. So they can show their own children, their younger brothers and sisters and friends there is a different way. So they can enjoy watching their children, their younger brothers and sisters and friends grow up. So they can show the community they grow up in that they give a damn. So they can say, "Look, i've shown some independent thought, have a life of my own and as best as i can, i will not let the bastards grind me down", on any level, for my sake, my families sake, or the place where i live.

Fourth paragraph. Have to say it does sound as though you are, "justifying these stupid actions" more than one bit.
How are the people who live in this demographic, "below the class system"? Don't understand that one either.
"then who the fuck r u really to comment".
Everyone gets to comment, we all do but let's keep it civilised.
Are you middle class? You commented on them in your next sentence.
If by below the class system you mean living the "alternative lifestyle", not buying into society, being a career crimminal, fuck everyone else.... don't phone for a policeman, an ambulance,the fire brigade, expect the NHS to fix you up.
If you spend your life preaching the 'Fuck you' lifestyle, don't be asking for help. No council house, scripts or operations, otherewise, ...."You're not keeping it 'Real' man".....
'Alternative lifestyle' for career crimminals, robbing, raping, mugging, assaults, house breaking etc... Laugh, i thought i'd never start. keep buying into that and you'll be the despised type of social worker who gets it from both sides.
"Tupac" got it right in one regard, "They don't give a fuck about us".... that's the pricks of every description out there, regardless of colour, creed, class or no class, job or no job.
As for the police state.... "Britain" may not be the best, but it is by no means the worst out there.
Designed the system? Have a look at "Draco" from ancient "Greece". Way before 'us'. Way before "Draco", there was someone else who was on top of the 'dung' heap.
"Fat cats" .... they're everywhere, from the ghetto to the Government.
Could you give me a few examples of places that are not police states and would you like to live there?

hi, no nothing directed at you personally. I stand by what I said though, and I haven't heard this information reading the guardian. Without having a dig you clearly have no clue. I'm sure you old and wise on many topics, but Im afraid the mentality of London street gangs is not your speciality!

First paragaph - whats that about buzz words? If you're too thick too understand don't try and mock me. If you don't understand what I mean about a vicious cycle then go and do some research.

You seem to think that I am somehow trying influence children into beliving this stuff, as for the football/music/crime thing - well add another option of 'low paid work' and I think you will struggle to find 1% of this group that don't fit into the first four. Not nice but true.

Whos gassing them? Good good question, all you have to do is look around to certain genres of music and you can pretty clearly see whats going on.

You seem to think that I would want my kids involved or something, not at all, I'm explaining what is going on WHERE I LIVE and you're kind of suggesting I am encouraging this type of stuff... with the greatest of respect artymac (you come across as a old dude I'm trying to be respectful) this aint the west of scotland, have you experienced social deprevation on the scale of somewhere like north peckham, mosside etc etc? I'm not talking about third world poverty what we have in the UK is something completely different.

You have responded with alternatives, I am not the one you need to preach to, I am simply explaining how and why kids have got into this situation!

[Twichaldinho]

David Cameron is a cock
Ed Milliband is a cock
Nick Clegg is a cock
Boris the Hairdoo is a cock
The Met chief of police is a cock
BBC news are all cocks......

Denial will cause even more civil unrest.......just dont loot poundland man!
I think Bigs is closest to the point here.......

[Kermit]

David Cameron is a cock
Ed Milliband is a cock
Nick Clegg is a cock
Boris the Hairdoo is a cock
The Met chief of police is a cock

Fuck me its the guest list for Claridges, wonder whos paying


SMASH IT UP, smash it all up

[25211]

Well to start with I admit I am what most people would call a liberal or even a left winger
But there is just no excuse at all for the rioting at the mo
And I hate to sound like one of the old folk we all remember as kids BUT
I Blame the parents, the ones that have instilled no respect or discipline in to their kids
Luckily nothing has kicked off close to me mainly because the local low life couldn’t organise themselves to do it
But we have huge problems with feral brats roaming the streets, drinking on the streets and damaging property
Then they Bleat on about the police not respecting them!!! RESPECT IS EARND NOT DESERVED

Most of them I hate to say have parents my age who should never have been allowed to reproduce, a fair few that I had the misfortune to go to school with
And they were nearly as bad as the ill behaved brats they have raised
Lock the lot up & throw the key away & lock the parents up with them
Just my 10 penath worth

[Mr_Gav]

Well to start with I admit I am what most people would call a liberal or even a left winger
But there is just no excuse at all for the rioting at the mo
And I hate to sound like one of the old folk we all remember as kids BUT
I Blame the parents, the ones that have instilled no respect or discipline in to their kids
Luckily nothing has kicked off close to me mainly because the local low life couldn’t organise themselves to do it
But we have huge problems with feral brats roaming the streets, drinking on the streets and damaging property
Then they Bleat on about the police not respecting them!!! RESPECT IS EARND NOT DESERVED

Most of them I hate to say have parents my age who should never have been allowed to reproduce, a fair few that I had the misfortune to go to school with
And they were nearly as bad as the ill behaved brats they have raised
Lock the lot up & throw the key away & lock the parents up with them
Just my 10 penath worth

I blame left wingers lol.

Those parents who should have never been allowed to have kids, never would have had kids if it wasn't for the lefties. Sorry, but it's true.

[25211]

I blame left wingers lol.

Those parents who should have never been allowed to have kids, never would have had kids if it wasn't for the lefties. Sorry, but it's true.

I think we shall have to differ on that one
As political leanings have little to do with parents who can’t be bothered to teach their offspring how to behave