"bigs" you are absolutely right my speciality is not the mentality of "London" street gangs! But is the mentality of any city, large town street gang any different wherever you go? Gangs believe they own the area they live in and it is their right to rule the roost and dispence 'punishments' and 'justice' as and when they desire, whilst they "farm" the community for their own needs, either in goods or money.
Yeah, i've seen some codes of behaviour passed down from generation to generation, in families and communities to differing degrees, where i live and further afield.
Reasons can be varied. Individual people still have the right to say how far they'll opt in or out.
Your first paragraph i still don't understand. "Buzz words", designed to impress and sometimes intimidate the listener into sitting quietly and nodding their heads. Or, in the case of speaking like this to a "London" street gang, to get your head kicked in, regardless of robbing you of anything they might want. Maybe i am too thick to understand, that's why i asked you to explain it. Thrill me with your acumen.
You may be living in the area and this indeed gives you a much greater insight into the problems that exist in your neighbourhood, but you have to be even handed about this. There are lots of good people getting by as best as they can, raising their families in places that don't have the same opportunities that other places have. It's the same all over "bigs".
You wrote "You seem to think that i am somehow trying influence children into beliving this stuff". So what does, "If you are born in a certain place and from a certain social demographic you're fucked", mean then?
"bigs" i think you posted because you see things where you live and you care. Top man, keep the debate going. But possibly because you've got some decent 'smoke' going
, some of the things you're saying may not be coming out the way you meant, or is getting lost in translation. By fuck this this has happened often enough to me!!
I can see things in your post i agree with, but i've found it difficult to follow your arguement at times. I never said you were encouraging any of the stuff going on.... i said from your words that it sounded like you were "justifying these stupid actions".
Can we both rule out football and music as the people making it in these areas is negligible. So 99% of this group in your area are crimminals, or low paid workers and as many young people won't take that route, the biggest split is the crimminals. That's a bold, bold statement i'm sure a lot of the decent folk in the community would argue against.
"bigs" i'm a 46 year old, so depending on how old you are, young chap!, i might have seen more of them cycles of behaviour that have been going on for generations. People and places get trapped in poverty for many reasons and at different times. There are places in my home town that used to be the most sought after places to live and are now shit holes. In time they might change again, people have the ability to change as well. This doesn't mean it will be easy, peer pressure, consumer pressure, social norms, (buzz words!) that get taught and hammered into you from cradle to grave, will shape all of us to some degree.
But you only get one life. Are they going to take control of their own life, make decisions for themselves, take responsibility for themselves and their own children? Or, are they happy to go along with the crowd, happy with their lot as long as their needs are catered for, some benefit money to go along with whatever they can screw out of the people who live around them who can't offer up any resistance. Let TV raise their children. That's what i see from plenty of people living around me and it's getting worse.
In these circles what is the reaction to anyone who goes to school or gets a job? Seen and heard it so many times, "What a mug", "Traitor", "Think they're better than us". I remember a pal of mine telling me about a young guy who was on a training scheme with him who got ridiculed by some of the other guys on the course because he used to read a book a day.
Of course these guys could bearly read themselves because they "Fucked going to school".
"bigs" it ain't any different anywhere, it may just be on a different scale, or for different stakes.(High value crime families/syndicates.)
Ask any of the older generations in question if they believe the people out there looting have any justification for their actions, because they believe they are deprived through poverty.
I laughed and laughed when i read "this ain't the west of "Scotland", have you experienced social deprevation on the scale of somewhere like north peckham or mosside etc etc" In your own words, "do some research"
Yeah it's just like "Brigadoon" where i live, along with all the other quaint, quiet little fishing villages on the "Clyde"
Let me say first, there was a lot worse off than us, way worse, but i saw many a 'creative' meal set down in front of us, wore hand me downs it seemed most of my school life. (I remember a bright yellow polo neck jumper that could be seen from a mile away, no hiding place, that got me called 'custard' for a few weeks, before it 'mysteriously' got irrepairably damaged
) Lino on the bedroom floors, damp walls, ice on the inside of the windows in the bedroom an inch thick, i'll bet this is stirring the memories of many 'older' and not so old ACDers on the forum, yes it still exists, but it's not as bad. We didn't go looting though.
I've seen it where over the course of the weekend in the area where i live, that 2 people got stabbed to death and another 3 or 4 were seriously injured. It made it into the "Scottish" press and on to the "Scottish" news, no more.
A youth gets stabbed in a suburb of London and it's the first story on news at ten and questions are being asked in Parliament.
Now that's a demographic for you.
You're right "bigs", i did give alternatives but i wasn't preaching, i was just responding and i asked a few questions.
At the end of the day people will decide if they are going to go out and loot or not. Yeah they'll give excuses, like the "Monty Python" sketch, .... society made me do it! O.K. then, lets arrest society....!
But i for one ain't buying it. They are only that 'hard' in their own area. If i go to "Peckham" there's a chance i'd get a beating or worse just because of my accent. Racism, pure and simple. How often is the race card played down in "Peckham"? It's a two way street.
Let's get the same people who'd give out the beating up in the West of "Scotland", or through with the 'salt and sauce' crewe on the East coast. Let's see them try it on up here. They would be lucky to take their 'baws hame in a crisp poke'. Try it in "Wales", fuck me!, loads of other places in "England". I wouldn't recommend "Northern Ireland" either, they'd never be heard of again.
Wonder how many of them vote?
Toke on "bigs", .... age might change you.....!!
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