Stable-breeding Sativas ?

[BeachBUD]

Headed to the Dam in a couple of days. Trying to do my advance research, but its not easy. I want to start the first day or two of my trip focusing on stable-breeding sativas. That is, Sativas that will breed true when interbred. No hybrids, no F1s, no secret genetics that I can't buy somewhere. Once I get a handle on these, I will branch out to some hybrids and sativa/indica crosses. I will also by then have a bit of orientation as to the whole Amsterdam scene.

FWIW, I bought some Durban Poison seeds a decade back, grew one plant for seeds, and have been smoking that breeed almost exclusively ever since.

So please suggest varieties that will suit my criteria, and if you know what coffee shop has it available that would be extra-wonderful.

[beq00000]

There are a few pure sativas available in the coffeeshops, I'd add hunters 100% Sativa, to the ones already mentioned in your other thread. If you like a strain, it's always a good idea to ask the budtender where to buy seeds, and to ask the people selling seeds about the genetics.

There should also be landrace sativa genetics available in some of the seedshops, but you may have to ask. Grower friends have recommended DNA Genetics and Homegrown Fantaseeds particularly highly, and I've heard good things about Sensi Seeds and the Dampkring seedshop as well.

Most of the rest of what's sold as sativa in the coffeeshops are hybrids, and what you'll likely see most often are hazes - many of which are very good indeed.

[BeachBUD]

No doubt seedshops will teach me a lot. I am just looking for info teh first couple of days. I expect that the seedshops will mostly be telling me why their blend is better than the next one, whereas a true-breeder will be the same no matter where I buy it.

By starting with the base (stable) strains, I hope to better understand some parts of the hybridization process. Sort of like knowing what an egg tastes like before eating omelets and cakes and hollandaise sauce.

[redeyezman]

FWIW, I bought some Durban Poison seeds a decade back, grew one plant for seeds, and have been smoking that breeed almost exclusively ever since.

Are you asking what would cross well with your Durban Poison strain?

FWIW, I gotta know does the same strain still give you a nice high? Variety is the spice of life!

[BeachBUD]

FWIW, I bought some Durban Poison seeds a decade back, grew one plant for seeds, and have been smoking that breeed almost exclusively ever since.

Are you asking what would cross well with your Durban Poison strain?

Might try that. But I am just wantng to try some stable strans to maybe have two choices.

FWIW, I gotta know does the same strain still give you a nice high? Variety is the spice of life!

Actually, its still better than anything I can buy locally. DP is kick-ass and the crop is a big determinant. But variety is why I posted the question.

[SmokeyMcDougal]

No doubt seedshops will teach me a lot. I am just looking for info teh first couple of days. I expect that the seedshops will mostly be telling me why their blend is better than the next one, whereas a true-breeder will be the same no matter where I buy it.

By starting with the base (stable) strains, I hope to better understand some parts of the hybridization process. Sort of like knowing what an egg tastes like before eating omelets and cakes and hollandaise sauce.

Are ya not tempted to try a true breeding indica - some kind of Afghani or hashplant? that would give you an insight into the opposite end of the spectrum (a bit like knowing what lemon juice tastes like before eating hollandaise sauce!)

Sounds you've got something particular in mind though, so maybe my suggestion's off kilter.

[redeyezman]

If you want to come back with the best sativa go to greenhouse seeds and get Super Silver Haze. Here are tips to growing it from some of the growers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JdGiq5A_A

[BeachBUD]

If you want to come back with the best sativa go to greenhouse seeds and get Super Silver Haze. Here are tips to growing it from some of the growers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4JdGiq5A_A

Thanks. But it looks like Super Silver Haze is a hybrid. Also, they only sell feminized seeds. Two strikes. I will try to find it at a coffeeshop, but it is not on the early list.

[BeachBUD]

No doubt seedshops will teach me a lot. I am just looking for info teh first couple of days. I expect that the seedshops will mostly be telling me why their blend is better than the next one, whereas a true-breeder will be the same no matter where I buy it.

By starting with the base (stable) strains, I hope to better understand some parts of the hybridization process. Sort of like knowing what an egg tastes like before eating omelets and cakes and hollandaise sauce.

Are ya not tempted to try a true breeding indica - some kind of Afghani or hashplant? that would give you an insight into the opposite end of the spectrum (a bit like knowing what lemon juice tastes like before eating hollandaise sauce!)

Sounds you've got something particular in mind though, so maybe my suggestion's off kilter.

I will get to the Indicas, but I much prefer Sativas so want to focus on finding a second or third option for pure sativa base genetics.

[geekymonkey]

Quaze / Quazar / Dr Griphspoon are "pure" sativas, I think.

Voyagers, Barneys, Amnesia, and Hunters all usually carry one of them.

I wouldn't be too quick to knock the hazes though unless you've tried them. A little hybridizing can be a really good thing, and most of what you find in Amsterdam is hybridized to some extent as the pure sativas are difficult logistically due to their size and long flowering times.

[geekymonkey]

Also, super silver haze is awesome.

[redeyezman]

What you want doesn't exist. Every strain is a hybrid of something. Cannabis is ten of thousands of years old! No plant can possibly be pure unadulterated genetics. If you want easy and stable grow SSH is one of the most stable choices you can choose. Correct me if I'm wrong but breeders don't sell the male version of SSH (or the designer strains) because if you can keep the male plant alive then you won't buy their seeds. If you don't want to always be buying seeds why not learn to clone a great plant you get from feminized seeds. Or are you smoking to much and consider feminized seeds genetically altered and not pure enough from earth?

[BeachBUD]

What you want doesn't exist. Every strain is a hybrid of something. Cannabis is ten of thousands of years old! No plant can possibly be pure unadulterated genetics. If you want easy and stable grow SSH is one of the most stable choices you can choose. Correct me if I'm wrong but breeders don't sell the male version of SSH (or the designer strains) because if you can keep the male plant alive then you won't buy their seeds. If you don't want to always be buying seeds why not learn to clone a great plant you get from feminized seeds. Or are you smoking to much and consider feminized seeds genetically altered and not pure enough from earth?

I don't continuous crop. My needs are low, even with gifting, and one crop of 3 females, each yielding 4-8 ounces (picture a plant the size of a small beachball) , will last me a couple of years. So cloning is inappropriate.

I don't care about "pure genetics" I care about stable genetics where every plant will be like its mom & dad, even multiple generations later.

Whee they feminized seeds by using chemicals, I didn't like it. But current technique of breeding from a hemaphrodite seems fine with me. But it will not give me the males I seek. And forcing a female to go hem and self-seeding is an extra challenge I prefer to avoid.

[redeyezman]

Sounds like you're not willing to budge, and I understand! Sounds like you have a pretty cool system for your own personal stash. I'm sure you'll find something in one of the many seed shops just dont expect to come back with the top smoke of Amsterdam. You might as well just ask the seed shop for the keys to the front door, because what you're seeking is their key to success.

With such big selections im sure you'll find something, it just might might not be exactly what you were hoping for. I do wish you the best of luck though.

[BeachBUD]

I went to several seed shops today.

Sensi
Flying Ducthman
Paradise

and two I don't remember because I stopped at Coffee shops too.

The only intelligent response I got was at Flying Dutchman. There are only a few plants in the common gene pool that are not hybrids. Original Haze, Skunk, and (???) Damn that coffee shop. Those three are the basis for almost everything else.

Just got my first dose of a sativa/indica blend. Got up to walk too fast.