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I.m.h.o. Flash-mobs in several different locations over the day...

will cause much less nuissance then

a protest / event in 1 place.

we do 15 minute smoke out hash-mobs a few times that day

nd pass out flyers wich show we are against discrimination and point out how much money the economy of amsterdam will miss out on if this new 'weedpass' policy oes thru...

The dutch pro-cannabis organisations are not very responsive when they are on christmas leave until 17th of this month.

But I have personally had mails and contact with some of the bigger ones and they are coming to talk it over and about coop.

http://www.coffeeshopnieuws.nl/index.ph ... rist-cards

The people who will cause trouble probably won't even be stoners, I've never seen it kick off in the Dam before In a bar of a cs.

I agree with getting coffee shops in favour to keep there business going, just don't know if a protest is the right way to do it.

There have been protests in dam square before when I have been, don't know what is was for though & no signs of shit hitting the fan, think they made a mess more than anything.

As I mentioned in another thread, my understanding is that the perceived nuisance that inspired the Wietpas was mostly in the border towns, not Amsterdam.
Amsterdam is set up for tourism but some of the small towns resent all of the people crossing in cars from France, Germany and Belgium to visit coffeeshops.

In some towns they have pushed the coffeeshops into the outskirts where parking and traffic are less of an issue.

I gather the French have been finding problems in the south for the past few months.
I wonder what happens when foreigners are banned, do they hang around outside asking locals to get weed for them?

For now I think it's probably best to leave the BCD (http://www.coffeeshopbond.nl/) to negotiate rather than protesting.
If and when the ban is introduced in the south, then will be the time to protest there.

wow. Lots of pros and cons on here about the 420 smoke out. I am considering going because I think its important to show support. The fact that one of the leaders is Nol who is very active in the cannabis community and a coffeeshop owner, makes he happy that they care enough about the tourist to do this. Financially I do not think alot of the CS will survive if there is a weitpass and if we wait till it happens, then it will still take a long time to reverse it if they even will. Some people are not into peaceful protests and thats ok! DO not attend. I do not think this will turn violent. If it were to turn violent, I would leave. I know they did one in Colorado a few years back. maybe Mile high can tell us how that went. I have not totally decided what I am doing. I know that at the last 2 420s I have attended, a bunch of us sat at the bar next door to DeKuil getting high because we couldnt even get into the doors of DeKuil due to the crowds. Well one of them I did a drive by at 420 and went right back out. lol. What ever your stance on it, IM sure you will have fun on 420 if you attend. Either way IM at t'Nes later for the party. I sure hope we get some space cupcakes again from DC. Them rocked! Cheers.

ps: the stamp thing that will suggested is a good way to show support also.

Boner wrote:Some more:

I.m.h.o. Flash-mobs in several different locations over the day...

will cause much less nuissance then

a protest / event in 1 place.

we do 15 minute smoke out hash-mobs a few times that day

nd pass out flyers wich show we are against discrimination and point out how much money the economy of amsterdam will miss out on if this new 'weedpass' policy oes thru...

The dutch pro-cannabis organisations are not very responsive when they are on christmas leave until 17th of this month.

But I have personally had mails and contact with some of the bigger ones and they are coming to talk it over and about coop.

http://www.coffeeshopnieuws.nl/index.ph ... rist-cards

Lol what was that you were saying ? ..................he said , she said !!! Pmsl

And exhale....calm folks, its a like Boner says He says , what was it again, anyhow.
This is my take on things... A friend of mine joined the group, he goes to Dam few times each year, then I joined to first see what it was about. I sat and read all of it (what was in English). At no point have I read FLASH MOBS, not in English as this is the only language I have and sometimes i struggle with that, know idea why.
Not saying in any way they have writen/said anything to that nature in any other language either. I just want to say, I LOVE AMSTERDAM the way it is now! And exhale...As I believe, correct me if I'm wrong (which you will ) there are 16 CS in Haarlem, all of which don't rely on tourism, but of which, all have joined the Protest, leaflet handout, Flash mob whatever. This to me seems really strange. As an hard working man, I try to earn as much money as I can for a good honest days work, for me it works. If people/CS owners/shops/restaurants/clubs/bars/hotels/BnB's/listgoeson.com are worried, why not get together and talk. I will never be part of a Flash mob, Hash mob yes, but then I'm not going to stand on a street corner and blow smoke in unwanted faces, I dont blow it my best buddies face, try can keep as much in
I'm so glad this discussion is happening and Boner I would really appreciate your opinion, you are huge part of this site (our site). I'm not taking sides, remember I SMOKE WEED I LOVE WEED, we all do on here, right? I'm sorry, its 02:something i the morning, I'm baked, I forgot the name...one who said they didnt give a fuck if they closed the CS down. Honestly, really, deep down? We know a lot of people who can grow weed better, trust me, alot better than you can buy in Dam, Hash too if you want to go down that route, not having a go, remember I SMOKE WEED, for me and surely for most folk on here I think it's more about the freedom/libery to be able to go and buy from any SHOP of YOUR choice, to CHOOSE from any MENU of YOUR choice, from any WEED of YOUR choice, from any HASH of YOUR choice, I dunno, maybe go and FLYBY and sit in ANOTHER SHOP of YOUR choice...C'mon Dude/dudet...(I wasn't going to swear) but Fuck man, really? (the caps are not to represent shouting, just hi-lighting, and don't say, there's colours for that). Whilst I remember Cisco, chiiiiil remember I SMOKE WEED. Now, the problem I have is this. There are people going on this 4:20 ProtestFlashMobLeafletHandOutPopIdolI'maCelebrityOnIce, who are registered disabled. Who got injured in whatever way, I know one personally, who's me best bud. It upsets me to think that this poor guy is paying with his war pension to go to Dam and leave his wife and kids behind for four days, to help, which he thinks he's doing by the way, no FUCKING FLASH MOBS in his mind, to save the one fucking pleasure he gets from the pain he endures every day, oh, he takes shed loads of tabs too, which he hates! Now close ya coffee shops because YOU can grow better weed, well my friend, I challenge you. You name it, we both grow it and somehow we get a judge, maybe Boner, (any volunteers?) Ive read alot of his stuff and he knows what he's talking about, so you name the strain I name the Judge and by the way I dont know Boner, never met the pot head remember I SMOKE WEED...Name ya price!
Back on subject. So we were going on this 4:20 thingy to help somehow in a peaceful way, to enjoy the LIST WE made of all the CS WE wanted to visit along with a LIST of STRAINS we wanted to PURCHASE. We are good customers. We smoke alot here and there. Last trip, between me and me buddie, 100grms, 4 days nearly e1000 each just on weed. No, before you think it, I'm not bragging, meet us, we aint like that in anyway. Ask Gapie, hey if I were like that, would the tender at 420 offer me a piece of hash to taste, no. I'm a good honest clean customer, (even have our own rubbish bag, never leave rubbish its rude, manners cost nothing son) who will spend the money I have saved for my trip to spend on all the weed this dude need/wants. We're both 40 y.o. married with kids men. Rememeber I SMOKE WEED I LOVE WEED. Its the social side for me too, drawing whilst stoned, doodles even, anything. Reading the reports you guys have taken the time to write in fantastic descriptions, sat in a CS reading about the CS I'm sat in, someworthy of awards IMHO, beautiful photographs, this is what it's all about, surely? Sorry, have to go back to the dude/dudette said wouldnt bother them if they shut. You must read the various reports on here, you reply to some, you go to Dam too, I understand not just to buy MJ, maybe RLD, nowt wrong with that either. But maybe, just maybe, lets say the pass doesn't come in all over at once, but it will eventually spread and every part of Dam and surrounding areas, your fave spots, chill spot, music, spot, Burger Bar, Wok To Walk, etc...not to metion NO WEED, not STREET WEED, no THANK YOU. You go back, maybe not quite as busy, maybe not as many places open, ahh Bulldog, remember NO WEED. Drunks, fights, etc etc etc it happens, we know it does. RLD, maybe not as many girls as there were, maybe not as many nice girls as there was. Lets just see what happens from now till then, it's 99 days yet!
I think I have banged on enough...I appologise if I have offended anyone, it was never my intention, I just LOVE WEED. I have my own personal reasons for this passion I have, so please all join me in a PuffPuffPass

Keep safe all

Peace

Hi everyone my name is Des, I am a medical user of cannabis and have been since 2004, I'm from the UK and have been coming to your wonderful country since 1994, for the soul purpuse of using the many coffee shops you have to offer, I have made some good friends on my visits and have puffed some very good medical weed, for me being in the UK the only cannabis product I can use legally is Sativex, and compared to cannabis in bud form, well we all the the score with that, now wether this weedpass goes through or not is up to your government, and its up to coffee shop owners, cannabis users, and the people that your government want to ban ie tourists to speak out over this, I am coming with a party of 15 to show my support to coffee shops that want me to be allowed to enter without discrimination, these 15 people will be paying good money to use your coffee shops and will be on their best behaviour as most cannabis users are, a lot of people think that coffee shops are only after one thing....MONEY..being disabled in a wheelchair I beg to differ from that suggestion, as on a number of times in coffee shops such as Dampkring, Greenhouse, Barneys, Cannabis College(seen the steps to get in there), Amnesia, Grey Area, both Willie Wortels shops to name a few have carried me in, up down steps and asked paying guests to make room for me to come in and use my medication in peace and quiet without fear of prosecution.
If this weed pass does go through I'm sure it will have a knock on effect across the world I can see the headlines as we speak "It didnt work in Holland, its not going to work here". We all can help to stop this from happening, I help organise a cannabis march every year in the first week of May in the centre of cardiff, usually 2 to 3 thousand turn up to march the streets of Cardiff City centre for at least an hour, then we all end up at a pre-arranged place to have guest speakers such as Howard Marks, local MPs and AMs, zero arressts up to date, and we all use cannabis on the march with a police precence to stop traffic and such. On april 20th 2012 your coffee shops are going to have tourists all ready in them using cannabis, be it for the protest or are all ready there unaware that a protest is about to take place, dont you all think that its a good idea to let people know what is going on so this protest is a. being well organised. b. is kept peaceful and c. we get our point across to your government, this weed pass will only drive cannabis further under ground, so when I visit my friends in Holland I have to get street deals instead of being in a relexed place of a coffee shop, if thats what your government wants to happen just carry on sitting back and do nothing, if you want to make sure you have your say and get your point across join in the protest, get all coffee shop owners in on this protest to make sure it stays good natured and peaceful, set up a meeting between you all to air your views and get some good vibes for this protest not bad, you have a voice let it be heard, Amsterdam might come to a stop for a day, that day could stop something that could ruin your tourist trade, Amsterdam might have a clean up job to do after the protest, easy lets clean up after it, organise things not bicker and fight with each other, I for one dont want to be stopped coming to Holland, if it happens then so be it, but lets try to stop it before it does, Spain is a little bit further to travel to than Holland, or do the coffee shops want their tourists to go to spain instead.
All the best Des
Hope I have not offended anyone
Peace to you all namaste

highlyblessed wrote:i think this is a really bad idea, i carnt see how a big mass law breaking is goin to help us in any way,the voc cannabis have a cannabis free day in the westerpark every year (in may i think?) that used to be at the musemplein untill the goverment moved it (funny that),the bond van cannabis is fighting our corner properly
i tried to talk to mr lunk about this on this on facebook,to which he called me a troll!!!
bleeeessssssssssssssss

he bought credibility with this event but I don't think it's beneficial to Amsterdam

I would hazard a guess that a majority of Dutch people don't care about weed, and many of them have the same attitude to it that straights all over the world have.
I just think they would be amused, and some pissed off by 000's of foreigners parachuting in for a smoke out.
My take is that us folks should use our energy and resources changing the rules in our home countries.
Were I a DUTCH toker I would be blaming the tourists for threatening my freedom because they can't get it together back home.
By the way I have been going to Holland regularly since 1964 for work, toking and family holidays, and for 10 years until I retired a couple of months ago my operations manager was Dutch (from Rotterdam) so I have some insight into the internal dynamics of the situation.

Enjoy 420 Amsterdam, but leave the politics to the locals I say.

Cisco wrote:Lol what was that you were saying ? ..................he said , she said !!! Pmsl

I know, he asked me to pass on his messages so I did.

Boner wrote:

Cisco wrote:Lol what was that you were saying ? ..................he said , she said !!! Pmsl

I know, he asked me to pass on his messages so I did.

Jus pulling yer leg mate

highlyblessed wrote:i think this is a really bad idea, i carnt see how a big mass law breaking is goin to help us in any way,the voc cannabis have a cannabis free day in the westerpark every year (in may i think?) that used to be at the musemplein untill the goverment moved it (funny that),the bond van cannabis is fighting our corner properly
i tried to talk to mr lunk about this on this on facebook,to which he called me a troll!!!
bleeeessssssssssssssss

THANK YOU....bout time someone else sees it for what it is.......the cannibas cup was peaceful too,...go support voyagers or the shop of yer choice...another pot rally,..how original

spidergawd wrote:My take is that us folks should use our energy and resources changing the rules in our home countries.
Were I a DUTCH toker I would be blaming the tourists for threatening my freedom because they can't get it together back home.

+1

Wow, amazing negativity on here for the first positive movement against these creeping laws which get worse every year.

The weedpass thing is the first of the many encroachments on coffeeshop culture in the last few years that would purely affect tourists, so why shouldn't they complain about being discriminated against, something which as far as I know exists in no other country apart from along the usual lines of race and religion?

The Dutch coffeeshop supporters don't seem to have protested too loudly about no alcohol/smoking ban/proximity to schools/THC limit (or if they have I have seen no evidence of it or success from it) and so they keep coming and getting slowly implemented. People who say there are better things to do on the day have clearly never got off their arses and protested about anything in their lives; please don't enforce the stereotype of lazy stoners!

As for the protest itself, there is no such thing as bad publicity and I have never been on a legalise march that has been anything other than peaceful, law-abiding and one of the few occasions when the straight man on the street comes face to face with "the druggies" and realises that they are (mostly!) normal people too.

Am I right in thinking Amsterdam has always taken part in the May 1st round the world legalise protest previously? Were the proper permits always obtained for this? The "grey area" of cannabis supply to the shops has been tolerated for a long time, is there no grey area for protest also? This city has always been famous for grey areas of tolerance, be it prostitution, squatting, homosexuality or vegetarian food but yet again that unique attitude is being further eroded away as politicians continue to try to make the Netherlands as attractive as Belgium.

Do you not see what is happening around the world? Arab Spring, Occupy, students, London riots, public sector pensions, people are standing up like Peter Finch in Network and saying I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore! I have lost a lot of respect for posters whose contributions I have previously enjoyed after reading this thread, on the Amsterdam Coffeeshop Directory FFS, who seem content just to go back to sleep and let it happen. Well I hope you don't wake up in a police state!

How inspiring a sensible protest with informed speakers would be; I for one would be happy to talk about 20 years of coming here alone, with my girlfriend then wife who I proposed to here, with friends including my (well-behaved) stag night, spending my money everywhere from the sleaziest redlight bar to the Hilton and the Five Flies, and how I would no longer feel welcome to do so if I was being the subject of discrimination, surely the polar opposite of Dutch tolerance?

go to the rally..youll see a police state ...and please dont waste yer time losing respect and by the way theres a 420 smokeout everyday ,everywhere,that everyone can enjoy...all over the world...