So the Weed pass thing? and your thoughts?

[spidergawd]

Wietpas.eu just register and get your personal weedpass (worldwide)

First post spammer beware. always need more info to click

[Shaggy]

Second, how in the world is the Dutch law racist? Explain that one to me please?

I'm not suggesting for a moment that Dutch law is inherently racist, simply suggesting that the motives of some of the political coalition in wanting to get rid of coffeeshops, Geert Wilders far right party for example, may perhaps be motivated by their racist attitudes to immigrants, many of whom they see as being responsible, in part, for coffeeshop culture. It seems to me that that quite a few shops are run an owned by people of an immigrant background. It's in that sense, and that sense alone, that I meant it.

Dutch people who I've met, particularly within the coffeeshop culture, seem to be very tolerant of other races and people. I don't think the same applies to some of the politicians who make up the coalition, and suspect their motives are part of their wider anti-immigrant political agenda

[Slip & Sal]

Hey Marco get fucked. You old fellas are being such wannkas about this. If you don't like it why read it.

Also what the fuck did I do to you? Did I touch a nerve when i said Paris sucked. When I do a trip report, maybe I'll explain a bit more like Paris didn't actually suck, but most of the people I met were not nice and made it harder to be there. There were some absolute diamonds in the rough. Maybe I won't do a trip report as it seems you fucking nazi's have rules you've made up in the forum that I didn't understand, like your only cool if you've been to Amsterdam a million times or your fucking old. Otherwise you can't have an opinion on it. Just young and dumb right? i should just shut up on a forum hey?

I not gunna let you tell me to shut up. Its a rude thing in the first place, everybody is allowed to have a say. Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not. Well your just whingers. What more could I expect from the elderly? Its always the young people. Spidergawd had absolutely no reason for attacking me.

You are really coming off as thinking your better than me? that's another way of saying that is very vain.

[Slip & Sal]

If you haven't noticed I'm sick of getting bagged on for having an opinion. did anyone other then shaggy actually look at the link? or read my previous questions? Am i speaking to a brick wall?

[Panog]

Marco and Slip you're both top blokes, don't fight on the Internet for a stupid argument...

[joossy]

@ Slip&Sal still being here.

[joossy]

Slip & Sal you appear very high maintenance, requiring a great deal of attention, demanding strenuous care, needing continuous input.

How can you abuse and threaten people then expect a civil convo.

[Slip & Sal]

I expected civil comments from the start. If people abuse me, I will abuse them back. This is all i did. Anyway now that Marco decided to come in and "stir the pot." Been away for a while just thought you'd add your two cents hey? Ha ha at you still being here Joosy.

Thanks Panog you are one of the better things about France mate!


once you've all mopped up your tears maybe you can comment on the weedpass, as this is what this thread is about.

If your just here to tell me once again that you don't think it will happen or to shut up, well then move along.

[treetop]

I wonder if this is how it all ends?

Shouting, name calling and threats of physical attack. Everyone falling out. No more Amsterdam for most on here. The end of this forum as an active community.

On a lighter note having given the matter some thought I think it is a brilliant political move by this Bert Von Shuster fella or whatever his name is.

He is making a bet that cannot lose. If he is successful in destroying the coffeeshop/cannabis industry. He'll be loved by FOX news and other right wing, right thinking groups. I'm not convinced tourism revenue will suffer enough to reverse the law. Or another way of looking at it is they think they can stand to take a short term hit in tourism as long as the long term outlook is good.

If he is not successful then he not exactly hurting himself as most of the people that don't like this particular policy wouldn't vote for the git anyway.

[Quazer]

This is getting old... With 500 lines of bullshit between relevant updates it's fucking hard to keep track of the situation. Maybe a new thread is needed - asking for facts instead of "thoughts".

[treetop]

Also have you ever noticed how threads with drama always seem to have legs?

[treetop]

This is getting old... With 500 lines of bullshit between relevant updates it's fucking hard to keep track of the situation. Maybe a new thread is needed - asking for facts instead of "thoughts".

It's called having a discussion. You should try expressing your opinion instead of posting to criticise those who express theirs.

[piedpiperofvice]

Hey Marco get fucked. You old fellas are being such wannkas about this. If you don't like it why read it.

Also what the fuck did I do to you? Did I touch a nerve when i said Paris sucked. When I do a trip report, maybe I'll explain a bit more like Paris didn't actually suck, but most of the people I met were not nice and made it harder to be there. There were some absolute diamonds in the rough. Maybe I won't do a trip report as it seems you fucking nazi's have rules you've made up in the forum that I didn't understand, like your only cool if you've been to Amsterdam a million times or your fucking old. Otherwise you can't have an opinion on it. Just young and dumb right? i should just shut up on a forum hey?

I not gunna let you tell me to shut up. Its a rude thing in the first place, everybody is allowed to have a say. Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not. Well your just whingers. What more could I expect from the elderly? Its always the young people. Spidergawd had absolutely no reason for attacking me.

You are really coming off as thinking your better than me? that's another way of saying that is very vain.

jesus christ(in a secular sense being i am an atheist) are you in another pissing contest slip and sal. just curious i would like to see the post that justifies your response. as you will see below i have my own comment for marco but watch as i don't get too agitated and just give him my opinion even though he called me or my idea stupid ,sick , selfish

[Panog]

Thanks Panog you are one of the better things about France mate!

Haha thanks that's how I consider myself

[piedpiperofvice]

successful war on drugs? LOL (hope you were kidding)

I was trying to be ironic, obviously not as successfully as I hoped!

It was announced on the BBC yesterday that the Netherland's had slipped back into recession, so their economy is back in shit street. That's the real indicator of how successful the Dutch government is doing, and will be the main factor in getting rid of them in the longer term.

It just depends on how badly they damage the coffeeshop culture in the meantime.

They're fucking everything else up, with a bit of luck they'll fuck up and fail to get their weedpass policy through parliament. They've only got a small majority, so with a bit of luck they won't get the national policy through as easily as they hope.

It is all relative. The economy here is actually quite strong. I am not a fan of this government, but like everywhere, deep cuts are being made and someone has to do it. Its really a shame the VVD (right liberals) have to go after the CS scene as they are supposedly pro-businesses.

If anyone here is wishing that the Dutch economy fail due to some change in CS law (I am not suggestion you are Shaggy) that is fucking stupid/sick. You had better be from a very pristine country (Andorra??) to make sure there is nothing YOUR country is doing that may be deserving of an economy-killing boycott. The convoluted democratic system here (which was once great for reaching compromises) has lead to a special coalition where they are going after coffeeshops. Its a shame, but to place that blame on everyone making a living in the Netherlands (a significant minority of which can't vote) is pretty selfish.

the stupid ,sick selfish person of which you speak..that's me guilty as charged.
as explained in a much earlier post on this thread it might be unfair to target the netherlands ,however, whereas my country the US certainly is guilty of having a shit mj policy at least they are moving in the right direction. the netherlands, our guiding light with the model others should follow(save the stupid backdoor system) is going in the wrong direction. It just seems to be the right place right time to make a stand. these idiot christian democrats see you, me and other smokers as low rent ,unmotivated riff raff that are leading to the fall of society. it might be time to show them that they are sadly mistaken. we have financial might.we have the ability to mobilize . we have great numbers.we have brilliance sprinkled among us. plenty of successful ,motivated innovators are fans of the dam and cannabis in general. i am just suggesting that smoking loads of weed on april 20th will not change their opinion or inspire any fear of reprisal. the meek do not inherit the earth. perhaps ,a boycott of dutch products to the tune of a 3 percent gdp reduction may turn their heads and the heads of voters. my idea about contributing to a fund to help finance the coffeeshops to keep most of them from going out of business will preserve their footprint in amsterdam. once they are turned into pubs or whatever awful mundane establishment they will be ,good luck getting that real estate back. i think it would be great to muck up their plans to gobble up the coffeeshops and leave them with a bunch of coffeeshops with no customers to feed surrounding businesses . again, the coffeeshops would still survive because of contributions and the govt would not get the replacement visitors that they had hoped for. i would ,also, hope a george soros type who advocates for the legalization of drugs could help buttress the coffeeshops as they clearly show that society can survive and thrive with marijuana in the mainstream. unicef says netherlands are first in child welfare and their 10th highest gdp per capita shows that they are a very productive society.


also, to address the unfairness of targeting the netherlands . isn't most of the world targeting iran with sanctions at this time. do you think most iranians are obsessed with getting a nuclear weapon? i doubt it. i dated a girl from iran way back and she said behind closed doors they had very western ideals and liked to dance ,drink , etc. the world is trying to make it tough for the common man in iran to incite them to move the governments opinion on this matter. this would be the same idea. and YES i think preventing loss of freedom is on par with keeping a nuclear weapon from iran(who would probably not use it anyway as they would fear a massive reprisal)