So the Weed pass thing? and your thoughts?

[piedpiperofvice]

Hey Marco get fucked. You old fellas are being such wannkas about this. If you don't like it why read it.

Also what the fuck did I do to you? Did I touch a nerve when i said Paris sucked. When I do a trip report, maybe I'll explain a bit more like Paris didn't actually suck, but most of the people I met were not nice and made it harder to be there. There were some absolute diamonds in the rough. Maybe I won't do a trip report as it seems you fucking nazi's have rules you've made up in the forum that I didn't understand, like your only cool if you've been to Amsterdam a million times or your fucking old. Otherwise you can't have an opinion on it. Just young and dumb right? i should just shut up on a forum hey?

I not gunna let you tell me to shut up. Its a rude thing in the first place, everybody is allowed to have a say. Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not. Well your just whingers. What more could I expect from the elderly? Its always the young people. Spidergawd had absolutely no reason for attacking me.

You are really coming off as thinking your better than me? that's another way of saying that is very vain.

slip and sal,sorry you had a bad time in france. i actually liked it way more than i thought i would and quite frankly was treated well by everyone that i remember. to be honest i was the ugly american on two occasions. they were universally nice to me and the wife( on the surface anyway)

[piedpiperofvice]

Also have you ever noticed how threads with drama always seem to have legs?

well, considering it is about whether foreigners will continue to have access to amsterdam coffeeshops on a site catering to mostly foreign coffeeshops fans, i would say it might be the most important thread on the site

[puffthemagicdragon]

Second, how in the world is the Dutch law racist? Explain that one to me please?

I'm not suggesting for a moment that Dutch law is inherently racist, simply suggesting that the motives of some of the political coalition in wanting to get rid of coffeeshops, Geert Wilders far right party for example, may perhaps be motivated by their racist attitudes to immigrants, many of whom they see as being responsible, in part, for coffeeshop culture. It seems to me that that quite a few shops are run an owned by people of an immigrant background. It's in that sense, and that sense alone, that I meant it.

Dutch people who I've met, particularly within the coffeeshop culture, seem to be very tolerant of other races and people. I don't think the same applies to some of the politicians who make up the coalition, and suspect their motives are part of their wider anti-immigrant political agenda

Actually I suspect the Wietpas might be the least of their worries at the moment as I hear PM Rutte has been called to Strasbourg to answer why he's been silent over Wilders anti-immigrant website.

http://www.amsterdamherald.com/index.ph ... 6-meldpunt

[Shaggy]

I just think it's a little sad that people are coming to verbal blows about all this. After all, we're all on the same side insofar as being opposed to the weedpass.

I mean, I'm not offended just because somebody has a go at old bastards like me. Who cares? It's all part of the fun. It's all just a bit of give and take, a bit of thrust and parry. People need to top taking themselves and their opinions too seriously. We all talk shit, so why get upset about it?

If people met on the street they probably wouldn't say boo to each other. The anonymity of the internet means we can say stuff we'd never dream of saying in person. Let's just remember that here and not get too upset about things people say across cyberspace.

[Quazer]

It's called having a discussion. You should try expressing your opinion instead of posting to criticise those who express theirs.

I was not ranting about discussions but about childish name calling. Also I expressed my opinion already. My point was that there is no need to post the same 20 times and argue with those who disagree. I hope this makes clear that I didn't address you with my rant.

[piedpiperofvice]

let's not forget that the christian democrats got their ass handed to them in the last election(if i recall coorrectly) and somehow they have the nerve to push their anti coffeeshop agenda. didn't it come down to one seat that allowed them to do this. not exactly a mandate . that makes it even more disappointing

[Shaggy]

let's not forget that the christian democrats got their ass handed to them in the last election(if i recall coorrectly) and somehow they have the nerve to push their anti coffeeshop agenda. didn't it come down to one seat that allowed them to do this. not exactly a mandate . that makes it even more disappointing

It's true that the CD's have got a tiny majority in the Dutch parliament, only held in place with the support of Wilders far-right party.

Wilders is having a go at Poles today, the usual right wing populist rhetoric. He usually rants about Muslims and immigrants and probably blames cannabis coffeeshop culture on the Afghanis and the Morrocans for supplying the stuff back in the 60s and 70s. No doubt if the Dutch had invented it he'd be all for it.

[piedpiperofvice]

let's not forget that the christian democrats got their ass handed to them in the last election(if i recall coorrectly) and somehow they have the nerve to push their anti coffeeshop agenda. didn't it come down to one seat that allowed them to do this. not exactly a mandate . that makes it even more disappointing

It's true that the CD's have got a tiny majority in the Dutch parliament, only held in place with the support of Wilders far-right party.

Wilders is having a go at Poles today, the usual right wing populist rhetoric. He usually rants about Muslims and immigrants and probably blames cannabis coffeeshop culture on the Afghanis and the Morrocans for supplying the stuff back in the 60s and 70s. No doubt if the Dutch had invented it he'd be all for it.

my wife is a polish citizen and i was hoping my ticket to moving to the dam in 10 years. what is he saying about the poles? they seem to be a hard working lot. their skin is white like wilders and they are christian. he sure is a tough racist to please..

[Shaggy]

my wife is a polish citizen and i was hoping my ticket to moving to the dam in 10 years. what is he saying about the poles? they seem to be a hard working lot. their skin is white like wilders and they are christian. he sure is a tough racist to please..

The usual stuff about pinchng all the jobs, being drunk and rowdy all the time and causing trouble. Probably doesn't like Catholics either if he's Dutch Reform church. I don't really think he likes anyone actually.

If any Pole owns a Dutch coffeeshop he'd be in his element.

Although they're white he's obviously not keen on people of Slavic origin.

I am, especially all those very pretty Polish ladies.

[abc123]

my wife is a polish citizen and i was hoping my ticket to moving to the dam in 10 years.

Haha...im just waiting for Croatia to finally join the EU..thats my ticket..

Looking for a job here in London (Lived here since I was 5) and its not easy..last year I saw a few jobs advertised to work at Schilpol..looked into it, and the only thing stopping me was my Croatian passport.

When they join will look into it again

[Boner]

Just thought I'd quote what mhd posted on Channels:

http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/76465/coffe ... -in-cafe-s

It's in Dutch, but says clearly they are putting together a pass plan for January 1st 2013. Michael Veling from 420 cafe is interviewed and states it will be the end of his business. He is the president of the BCD, the coffeeshop group in Amsterdam. Unless this cabinet falls(which could happen) it appears the pass system will be implemented after all.

Most of you would be welcome in Denver if you need a fix.

[Quazer]

Thanks for the update Boner. Seems like the govs shit soup slowly starts bubbling up.

[piedpiperofvice]

Just thought I'd quote what mhd posted on Channels:

http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/76465/coffe ... -in-cafe-s

It's in Dutch, but says clearly they are putting together a pass plan for January 1st 2013. Michael Veling from 420 cafe is interviewed and states it will be the end of his business. He is the president of the BCD, the coffeeshop group in Amsterdam. Unless this cabinet falls(which could happen) it appears the pass system will be implemented after all.

Most of you would be welcome in Denver if you need a fix.

gee whiz . don't worry folks a bunch of coffeeshop supporters are going to have a smokeout on 4/20 or 20/4 to make their stand. i am sure that has the dutch govt. shaking in their boots. if anything all they will say is "see what a nuisance these folks can be." we must help with a financial lifeline for these shops or that real estate will be gone forever. even if they change it back later all the coffeeshops will be relegated to the far flung less historical areas. in addition to soros being enlisted to help couldn't a few stoner celebs put on some benefits to help the shops . we must stop the wholesale loss of the coffeeshops footprint first and foremost.

[mrdcotor]

don't worry folks a bunch of coffeeshop supporters are going to have a smokeout on 4/20 or 20/4 to make their stand. i am sure that has the dutch govt.

Taken individually, the idea of a bunch of supporters boycotting undefined dutch "products"is not better, let me tell you humbly that. Besides I think their top seller products are financial/naval: just the ones a stoner usually buy.
Personally I would support the protest idea if there was a serious preparation and propaganda: coffeeshops supportes around the world could be millions but I heard even dutch smokers uninformed about the event and this means "good bye" with 2 months left.
All makes me think that just before talking about what to do we need to know who we are, how mouch and what we have in mind. We need to talk, share, organize, act fast. Defeatism and fighting among ourselves are the best way to waste the few energies we have and let the weedpass win.

[piedpiperofvice]

don't worry folks a bunch of coffeeshop supporters are going to have a smokeout on 4/20 or 20/4 to make their stand. i am sure that has the dutch govt.

Taken individually, the idea of a bunch of supporters boycotting undefined dutch "products"is not better, let me tell you humbly that. Besides I think their top seller products are financial/naval: just the ones a stoner usually buy.
Personally I would support the protest idea if there was a serious preparation and propaganda: coffeeshops supportes around the world could be millions but I heard even dutch smokers uninformed about the event and this means "good bye" with 2 months left.
All makes me think that just before talking about what to do we need to know who we are, how mouch and what we have in mind. We need to talk, share, organize, act fast. Defeatism and fighting among ourselves are the best way to waste the few energies we have and let the weedpass win.

Well,paesano, I only said a 3 percent reduction in gdp.I understand that many things they make their money on would be beyond reach,however,unilever,heineken,cut flowers and bulbs,tourism are a few. If people stopped going to shell gas stations that would rattle their cage,also.granted oil is a fungible commodity and really if I remember correctly the stations are individually owned so I understand that shell would not be badly hurt but it would get the message across. I,also,think that you underestimate the financial wherewithal and diverse background of stoners. ING is dutch I think .if so money can be moved out to other institutions.you did not comment on the idea of saving the coffeeshop footprint.surely,you think that once they are uprooted that they will lose their choice locations if the law ever changes back in our favor.