dblair1969 wrote:My take on it is.... I've never held my dog to get 'em stoned. If he wants a hit blown his way he stays, if not he's gone. Free Will? If he eats it when your not looking. Free Will? Dogs are a little smarter than given credit for, they, after a couple of times get the idea, smoke = High eating it = High. Ever seen the nature show where all the animals for miles congregate to a certain tree that drops it's fruit only after fermentation? Scores of Drunk monkeys, elephants, Ect. Free Will?
Not trying to start anything w/ anyone here, Just have different take on free will. PEACE
So if you give a child some space cake and if they come back for more then its ok?
I'm guessing that the RSPCA would class it as animal cruelty.
For a bunch of potheads, there are some really uptight people here. Nobodys talking about crack or heroin or even children here. I don't really care how the RSPCA would class it, I'm not in the UK. LOL Seriously, lighten up. Nobodys holding their dog down and forcing it to get high here. If he didn't like it he wouldn't come around EVERYTIME we light up. If he doesn't like a new food he won't eat it, so I do see some type of free will here. Furthermore please don't associate children w/ these comments, Two totaly different subjects, the later I refuse to discuss. Much like politics and religion.
dblair1969 wrote:For a bunch of potheads, there are some really uptight people here. Nobodys talking about crack or heroin or even children here. I don't really care how the RSPCA would class it, I'm not in the UK. LOL Seriously, lighten up. Nobodys holding their dog down and forcing it to get high here. If he didn't like it he wouldn't come around EVERYTIME we light up. If he doesn't like a new food he won't eat it, so I do see some type of free will here. Furthermore please don't associate children w/ these comments, Two totaly different subjects, the later I refuse to discuss. Much like politics and religion.
I'm not uptight I'm just a dog lover and I'm pretty sure that in the US you have some form of RSPCA, you started saying that dogs are smarter than given credit for and seeing that we're talking about intelligent creatures then children can be mentioned in the same light (which is why I brought them into the discussion) I actually think its fucking disgusting that some people think its funny to give their pet a drug I smoke as its my choice a dog or child doesn't get that choice.
Boner wrote:I actually think its being cruel to your animals by getting them stoned, they haven't asked for a hit yet people think its funny would you be the same if it was crack/smack or heroin? and what about your children would you let them have a hit as well with them not knowing what they were doing?
I would totally agree with this if we had been discussing anything along the lines of FORCING them but I thought that the statements so far had all gone along with about the dog WANTING some.
And no I certainly would not let them have substances I myself would never do (crack/smack/heroin).
I would consider it cruel if I forced it on them I also consider it cruel when one wants it to just sit their indulging myself in front of them and they are directly asking for it just as if it was one of you guys I was smoking in front of.
I have spent most of my life around animals both wild and domestic and believe me they are intelligent creatures.I am sure it takes them longer than it did us the first time to figure out that what we seen people smoking and the pleasant effects they exhibited came from that little green herb and smoke so eventually we tried it and so some animals they sit there and watch you do it enough days weeks or months and eventually they will figure it out and some will decide they want to know what it is all about and some will not.
I know there are some people out there that do force them and watch the show to be entertained and that truly is cruel forcing an animal to do anything against it's will but how what we have been discussing compares to that I do not know.
I spent a lot of my life out in the wilderness before my health changed that and several opportunities occurred for them to save my life and me to save theirs we have risked all for each other many times over.
So it bugs me a little bit that someones opinion I respected on here would insinuate that I would do anything to harm those I love so much.
Boner wrote:I actually think its being cruel to your animals by getting them stoned, they haven't asked for a hit yet people think its funny would you be the same if it was crack/smack or heroin? and what about your children would you let them have a hit as well with them not knowing what they were doing?
I would totally agree with this if we had been discussing anything along the lines of FORCING them but I thought that the statements so far had all gone along with about the dog WANTING some.
And no I certainly would not let them have substances I myself would never do (crack/smack/heroin).
I would consider it cruel if I forced it on them I also consider it cruel when one wants it to just sit their indulging myself in front of them and they are directly asking for it just as if it was one of you guys I was smoking in front of.
I have spent most of my life around animals both wild and domestic and believe me they are intelligent creatures.I am sure it takes them longer than it did us the first time to figure out that what we seen people smoking and the pleasant effects they exhibited came from that little green herb and smoke so eventually we tried it and so some animals they sit there and watch you do it enough days weeks or months and eventually they will figure it out and some will decide they want to know what it is all about and some will not.
I know there are some people out there that do force them and watch the show to be entertained and that truly is cruel forcing an animal to do anything against it's will but how what we have been discussing compares to that I do not know.
I spent a lot of my life out in the wilderness before my health changed that and several opportunities occurred for them to save my life and me to save theirs we have risked all for each other many times over.
So it bugs me a little bit that someones opinion I respected on here would insinuate that I would do anything to harm those I love so much.
I dont think it matters if your forcing them or not I just think its wrong.
I'm sorry if my opinion isn't what people want to hear but I can't not say what I'm thinking when an animal is involved.
Boner, I want you to know that I didnt give my cat the pot plant on purpose. I would never do that. he just got into the room I was growing it. I was pretty upset actually because I was looking forward to smoking it.
Are you implying that I don't love my dogs? WTF? these 3, yes, 3 dogs and 1 cat are the best cared for, loved, and spoiled animals I've ever seen. I do not neglect, hit, or otherwise harm any animal, All 4 were rescued from our ASPCA. Belive me, The one that likes to get high w/ us is a happy dog, and is in a much better place then when we adopted him. Severly underweight, Fleas and ticks from head to toe, and a respitory infection that almost killed him and my wallet. So if this poor bastard of a dog wants to sit and get high with me, I'll never say no! Who are you to judge?
I'll pose this question "Is it Fucking Disgusting when little old ladies give their cats Catnip?" Cat and a pile of Catnip, cat walks to pile, cat gets high as hell, drools all over the damn place can't quit purring. FREE WILL? or should we start a movement to ban all sales of catnip?
I'll ask you to not imply that somehow I am mistreating my animals, That is just not the case...... Peace
Yeah, boner, I usually agree with you, but your arguments seem a little under par here. If you're sitting on your couch eating a turkey sandwich and your dogs comes up to you, you give the dog a bit of turkey and he's happy for it. Unless the dog doesn't like turkey, then he never comes to beg anymore when he smells turkey. Or perhaps you could NOT give him the turkey, even when he's begging and watching you eat your turkey. THAT'S cruelty.
So your dog smells cannabis that you're smoking and comes up to you, you blow a little smoke in his face (it's not like it's hot, or so thick so that the animal can't breathe), and if he likes it, he's all the more content for it, and if he doesn't, he just never comes to beg when he smells pot.
And finally, while I think that it's wrong to compare children to animals (as animals are NOT capable of abstract thought, and are NOT capable of language, and are NOT nearly as intelligetn as human beings), I'll give one final example. You're preparing cranberries in the kitchen. Your son asks you for one, and eats it. If he likes it, he'll ask for one every time he sees you with cranberries. If he doesn't, he'll never ask again.*
Do you see what I'm getting at? On the most basic level, all creatures understand desire and consequence. If your dog begs when you smoke, he wants some. He doesn't understand what it is, or how it works, or WHY it does what it does, but he does understand WHAT it does, and he understands that he WANTS some.
*FOOTNOTE: Of course, if your child asks you for some cannabis, you'll have to decline, being a responsible parent you don't want to give your child an affinity to drugs at age 7, but that's not the same as with dogs, dogs don't go to school to learn about crack and heroin, or watch tv and movies featuring drugs, they just lounge around your house all day.
Boner wrote:I dont think it matters if your forcing them or not I just think its wrong.
I'm sorry if my opinion isn't what people want to hear but I can't not say what I'm thinking when an animal is involved.
Fair Enough......but just so you have a little clearer understanding of what goes on at my place
As I stated in an earlier post it is always my animals choice I have one female that chooses to do it most times and one male that chooses not to except when injured that one time and I am completely comfortable with their decision on this matter as long as it is in a safe environment.
Up here that means when she wants it she can only have it at the end of the day before bed time I do after all have the occasional grizzly bear and moose in my yard and I also have a very large wolf pack right across the river in front of my place that cross over regularly when it freezes over in the winter and even more dangerous are the sled dogs up here who some have gone slightly around the bend from being tied up way to much of the year and some will become very violent and if they get loose both children and animals are not safe and we lose a few up here every year in this state like that.
Personally with the dangers in the area I think this is why my male does not want to get high if he is not injured he is so security minded he is always on guard even when sleeping he never misses a thing and I think he just does not want to let his guard down from getting high.My little girl on the other hand knows she can depend on my boy to do the job while she takes some time off but whatever the reason I will not let her have it outdoors where it could could get her in serious trouble if she was not paying full attention.
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Holy shit all I did was express my opinion on the subject.
cattales1960 - if a animal eats your weed, hash or plants then thats purely an accident although it shouldn't be in a place thats accessible to your pet what if that was a child?
dblair1969 - nothing but respect off me to you for rescuing those animals but I can't respect you for giving your pets hits off your weed, you opened your last post with the words - Well, didn't you go and ruin a fun thread? that to me points out that you think its fun to get your dog high which is something I just dont agree with.
711 - you can't compare giving a dog some turkey to giving it hits off your weed.
I clearly have a different opinion about whats right and wrong when it comes to being responsible for your pets health and I shant apologise for that.
Boner wrote:cattales1960 - if a animal eats your weed, hash or plants then thats purely an accident although it shouldn't be in a place thats accessible to your pet what if that was a child?
I'm pretty sure a child wouldn't eat marijuana. Animals eat plants, not humans. =P (And I'm sure it wasn't on the floor or something, where a baby or toddler could get at it, he probably had it on a table, where a cat can get to, but an infant can't).
711 - you can't compare giving a dog some turkey to giving it hits off your weed.
Why not? They're the same thing to your dog.
clearly have a different opinion about whats right and wrong when it comes to being responsible for your pets health and I shant apologise for that.
You're not one of the guys who gives his dog bottled water and brushes his teeth, are you?
Boner wrote:cattales1960 - if a animal eats your weed, hash or plants then thats purely an accident although it shouldn't be in a place thats accessible to your pet what if that was a child?
I'm pretty sure a child wouldn't eat marijuana. Animals eat plants, not humans. =P (And I'm sure it wasn't on the floor or something, where a baby or toddler could get at it, he probably had it on a table, where a cat can get to, but an infant can't).
711 - you can't compare giving a dog some turkey to giving it hits off your weed.
Why not? They're the same thing to your dog.
clearly have a different opinion about whats right and wrong when it comes to being responsible for your pets health and I shant apologise for that.
You're not one of the guys who gives his dog bottled water and brushes his teeth, are you?
Children especially babies will automatically put anything they get a hold of into their mouths, we eat plants as well unless fruit and veg have suddenly become a meat product??
I was part way through a smoke (at the open back door) when my dog came through (from being sprawled out on her bean bag in the lounge)... my friend took a toke and exhale straight into the dog's face. she just stood there unfazed by it. i told my mate off and said not to do it again...
i did'nt notice any ill effects and Jazmin seemed normal.
subsiquently she has been on the decking with me when i've had a smoke and she has gone mad for the smoke. jumping, barking all excited. I don't "give" her any. she tries to jump up and bite the smoke i exhale, i exhale upwards and away from her.
I don't know if it's just the smoke she can see and is confused/excited by it or if she "knows" what it is in relation to the time she had it blown in her face...
either way, i now know as a dog owner just how inteligent these animals are. My dog has a mind of her own, she does do what she wants to and she wont do what she dont wanna do.
I can fully understand ppls dogs coming back for more and as nice as being high is (for me) they probably really enjoy it too.
But, i just couldn't live with myself should my dog have a negative reaction or something bad happen as a result of my giving her smoke.
Boner, I'm not at all suprised by your opinion and respect you for airing it, some animal lovers would be outraged to hear of this.
I'm not saying it's right wrong or anything, it's not for me to judge others.
Boner wrote:The rest of your post is just plain stupid.
Come on, boner, if you're not even going to take the time to read it, at least come up with a better excuse. Why be a funkiller? Nobody here insulted you.
Boner wrote:Children especially babies will automatically put anything they get a hold of into their mouths, we eat plants as well unless fruit and veg have suddenly become a meat product??
In the words of Boner: "you can't compare" flowers to fruits.
ok seriously guys, whats happening with this forum, can no one have different opinions anymore without being hounded!?!?!
boner doesnt agree with blowin smoke into a dogs face, all of a sudden hes not fun!?!?! if your idea of fun is blwoin smoke in ya dogs face then seriously get a life ha ha
