America is not the Greatest - We lost our way..

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TwoCanucks wrote:with first hand experience of the day to day operation of a real newsroom, this show falls behind even WKRP in the recreation of that environment...ok maybe not that bad lol :P :P some good actors and writing, but way off on realism. sorry
Oh, Canada, (lol) thank you for the insight, but I would like to reenforce what I said earlier. It is supposed to be a "fictional estimation" of how news would be if it were not 100% driven by money, and advertising revenue, which it is.

Being a bit of a techie geek, the only part I really found interesting was the take on tax-payer paid airwaves. Remember originally TV only got to your house by radio waves, and everyone had an antenna or rabbit ears. The governing body of these airwaves are the FCC. From the shows account (and i would concur to some extent) what happened was the technology was invented, but then who would pay to implement such wide spread, and expensive endeavor? Oh the tax payer will foot the initial costs (thanks to free market the Internet provides we have websites like kickstarter.com now) and we will just let the advertisers run wild. Even during the nightly "news" because chances are, those will be the highest ratings. People expect us to inform them, not advertise to them. Eventually they figure out news has the best ratings, and black and white news turns grey as advertises outbid one another for the best slots when the most people are watching. Greed becomes the agenda, not a well informed electorate.



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TwoCanucks wrote:with first hand experience of the day to day operation of a real newsroom, this show falls behind even WKRP in the recreation of that environment...ok maybe not that bad lol :P :P some good actors and writing, but way off on realism. sorry

No one ever implied it was a real news show...Just that this opening was very unusual for any Television show in the US.
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So those that gets sick in the U.S. and can't afford the bloated costs are only Drug Addicts and people that don't use safe sex?


Okayyyyyyyyyyyy... no need to continue this conversation.. Have a Nice Day....
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Oh, Canada, (lol) thank you for the insight, but I would like to reenforce what I said earlier. It is supposed to be a "fictional estimation" of how news would be if it were not 100% driven by money, and advertising revenue, which it is.

Wow that's what you think it's about? haha No wonder you don't get it...

A Pot Smoking Neo-Con... I guess you see new stuff everyday...
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Brilliant.

The best writing on TV anywhere is on this show. It dissects past news stories and shows how the American people have been misled by the media over these stories as well as their choice of which stories to concentrate on. For example 22 million US citizens disenfranchised while we get a diet of Anthony Wiener, the Olson twins and Casey Anthony.

It also exposes mainstream politicians as liars and warns about the radicalisation of the right wing in the USA. It uses facts to do all this. A very simple process that even a Republican can understand :P


Every american should watch this show. The country would be a better place if they did.
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treetop wrote: It uses facts to do all this. A very simple process that even a Republican can understand :P

Don't go trying to use FACTS when having a conversation with a Conservative Republican. It's pretty clear they have no use them.

The entire platform is based on lies and bullshit.. We built it.. BS... Obama is not American...BS.... We are worse off ..BS... Obama is a Socialist...BS.. Obama cause the Economic issues.. BS.. Obama apologized to Terrorist..BS...giving more tax breaks to the rich will help our problems...Total BS....Healthcare reform will kill your grandma... BS...

Romney Campaign Chief: "We will not let FACT CHECKERS, dictate how we run our campaign"

They are out right telling you they are lying to your face and 48% of Americans will vote for them. Pathetic...

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myoung321 wrote:So those that gets sick in the U.S. and can't afford the bloated costs are only Drug Addicts and people that don't use safe sex?


Okayyyyyyyyyyyy... no need to continue this conversation.. Have a Nice Day....
No need to continue the conversation? For one, I admitted many flaws of our healthcare system, so not sure why you want to depict me as narrow minded by responding in such a way. My guess is you depict me in such a way because you don't have the capacity to continue the conversation. I enjoy a good debate, but if you don't use reason then its not possible to have a debate....only possible to have a heated trolling back-and-forth, which is not what I am about.
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redeyezman wrote:
Oh, Canada, (lol) thank you for the insight, but I would like to reenforce what I said earlier. It is supposed to be a "fictional estimation" of how news would be if it were not 100% driven by money, and advertising revenue, which it is.

Wow that's what you think it's about? haha No wonder you don't get it...

A Pot Smoking Neo-Con... I guess you see new stuff everyday...
treetop wrote:It dissects past news stories and shows how the American people have been misled by the media over these stories as well as their choice of which stories to concentrate on.
Not to twist or put words in treetop's mouth, but he seems to see it in a similar way that I do. Stories were NOT reported they way they are in the SHOW like he says above ^^^^ therefore I don't see how me saying the show is a "fictional esimation" of what the news could be like if.........makes me a neocon??? Sounds like we have another person who has let themselves become divided and conquered....stick around buddy, and we'll get you all sorted out hopefully.....it does require you to use reason, and logic though.

me a neocon..........lol that's rich....
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myoung321 wrote:
redeyezman wrote:
Oh, Canada, (lol) thank you for the insight, but I would like to reenforce what I said earlier. It is supposed to be a "fictional estimation" of how news would be if it were not 100% driven by money, and advertising revenue, which it is.

Wow that's what you think it's about? haha No wonder you don't get it...

A Pot Smoking Neo-Con... I guess you see new stuff everyday...
treetop wrote:It dissects past news stories and shows how the American people have been misled by the media over these stories as well as their choice of which stories to concentrate on.
Not to twist or put words in treetop's mouth, but he seems to see it in a similar way that I do. Stories were NOT reported they way they are in the SHOW like he says above ^^^^ therefore I don't see how me saying the show is a "fictional esimation" of what the news could be like if.........makes me a neocon??? Sounds like we have another person who has let themselves become divided and conquered....stick around buddy, and we'll get you all sorted out hopefully.....it does require you to use reason, and logic though.

me a neocon..........lol that's rich....
No, saying that does not make you a neo-con... but Dude saying crap like this makes you pretty damn close...

"The majority of health problems come from the personal choices you make, and fuck off communist if you think I should pay for your mistakes."

Yes the entire healthcare problem is caused my Drug Addicts and People that have unprotected sex... Seriously dude? no really Seriously?????

Then calling people Communist because they support Healthcare for all citizens is very Neo-Con-ish... Sorry, but if is walks like a duck and quakes like a duck it's usually a DUCK...

Why just Drug Addicts and people that have unprotected sex?... why not add Cigarette smokers, Meat Eaters, People that don't exercise, people that Smoke Pot, People that drink alcohol, People that do extreme sports, People that drive fast.... etc etc.... Where do you draw the line? That's is why your remark is so ridiculous...and the reason I said there is no reason continue to the conversation. In my opinion, anyone that thinks that shit is true is not worth having a conversation with.. If you were joking then I apologize, if not than peace to you and I hope you never need help from the rest of us "Communist"
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I didn't say heroin addicts, and those having unprotected sex DESERVE aids, but the reality is, it is a risk you chose to partake in. Why all the sudden am I responsible for your actions?

I support health care for everyone too, but not if we have to rob Peter, to pay for Paul. If that's the only way everyone gets healthcare then we aren't using our brains/intellect to actually solve the problem, we are using force. Do you prefere force, or freedom sir?
Then calling people Communist because they support Healthcare for all citizens is very Neo-Con-ish and sorry, but also retarded.
For the record I did not mean to sound like I call you communist. I really only meant that the implementation of Obamacare/Romneycare is done in a socialist manner. My apologies if I offended ya.

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redeyezman wrote:I didn't say heroin addicts, and those having unprotected sex DESERVE aids, but the reality is, it is a risk you chose to partake in. Why all the sudden am I responsible for your actions?
I agree, You did not say they deserve AIDS... no one ever said you said that... You said they don't deserve healthcare or Help because of their choices.....


For the record I did not mean to sound like I call you communist. I really only meant that the implementation of Obamacare/Romneycare is done in a socialist manner. My apologies if I offended ya.


So you think Western Europe and Canada are Communist Countries? They all have forms of Universal Healthcare...

When you call the Fire Department or drive on a Interstate or your grandma uses her Medicare it's a form of Socialism.. Social Security has allowed millions of America seniors to live above the poverty line.. If taking care of your own citizens with Healthcare is Socialism ... then sign me the fuck up....
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Hey man... Peace..

I get what you're saying. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world. We cannot pick and choose where our tax dollars go. If I don't drive I can't say I don't want my tax money to go to roads. Or if I don't have kids... you get it.........If that were the case, then I should be getting a Giant Rebate for the War in Iraq any day now. lol


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So you think Western Europe and Canada are Communist Countries? They all have forms of Universal Healthcare...
I think nothing of, nor judge these countires. They have their own people, and have the right to govern themselves as they see fit. What I do think is that the country I live in has a set of guidlines known as The Constitution that is the supreme law of the land regarding how this country shall be ran.
If taking care of your own citizens with Healthcare is Socialism ... then sign me the fuck up....
If you desire government to take care of you because you do not have the mental/physcial capability to take care of yourself, you are free to leave America, and I would encourage you to do so.

Seeing as I'm actually a pretty nice guy, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess that there is something you are good at.... if you want to argue due to government regulations, and corrupt politicians & corrupt corporations you cannot compete in the market because it has not been a free market for such a long time, then that is a whole other conversation. Because after all, in a free market we all could afford healthcare, and that is really the subject at hand correct? The ability to afford, and receive healthcare, not who administers it.
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myoung321 wrote: I get what you're saying. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world. We cannot pick and choose where our tax dollars go. If I don't drive I can't say I don't want my tax money to go to roads.
Peace to you also! I agree this is not a perfect world, but disagree that we can pick and choose where our tax dollars go. You know how we do that? Via elections. If the politician doesn't keep a promise, or flip-flops vote a new guy in, or better yet IMPEACH! There are a few problems with that though....the propaganda machine known as the media mis-informing the electorate, and voting fraud is also huge problem.

As for referencing something FDR said, who was basically a King for 12 years during some of Americas hardest/darkest times?....i dont know about that....the atomic bomb was developed under him....guess its good we were the first to get it tho....

There are smarter ways to collect taxes....for example in Florida they don't take state income tax out of your paycheck...but to register a car is somewhat expensive....like $300 a year...........so theoretically if you biked to work, or felt you could live without a car, then you would not be taxed.........same goes for roads.....if you use the major interstates there are tolls collected.....this is okay with me because again, taxes are NOT taken out of my weekly checks, and i know where that tax will end up.
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redeyezman wrote: I think nothing of, nor judge these countires. They have their own people, and have the right to govern themselves as they see fit. What I do think is that the country I live in has a set of guidlines known as The Constitution that is the supreme law of the land regarding how this country shall be ran.

Yes, because having "Guidelines & a Constitution" is an American Only idea.. Are you for REAL? no Really.. that was a joke right? RIGHT?
myoung321 wrote:If taking care of your own citizens with Healthcare is Socialism ... then sign me the fuck up....
redeyezman wrote: If you desire government to take care of you because you do not have the mental/physcial capability to take care of yourself, you are free to leave America, and I would encourage you to do so. Seeing as I'm actually a pretty nice guy, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess that there is something you are good at.... .

So now you go with one of the Wing Nuts top ten responses? Love it or Leave it? Wow..... nothing left to say about that brilliance other than.. Wow...



( pssttt...HINT HINT...I don't think you are mentally or physically capable of building those roads you drive on everyday or creating the internet... so don't use them any more and leave the country..... see how stupid that sounds?)


As for the rest of your comments.. about being a nice guy and letting me stay in my own country... Fuck Off.. I tried to offer you an olive branch and you come back and say that shit? Weak.....

You are starting to sound like people I've known in the past.. in LAW ENFORCEMENT. So which is it? You say you're not a Neo-Conservative, yet spew the same crap they do in every other post.. You freely talk about others like they are trash or undesirable because they are less fortunate than you...

When People like you spew this crap it makes me ashamed to be an American.!

And I don't care how long you've been a member, as you reminded me. I don't know if you have any power here or not...but I would rather be banned, than to back down to a Bully spewing hate..
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