Another massacre, this time 5-10 year old school children...

[sam]

What about us gun owners that like to target shoot and hunt do we get screwed over because some idiot killed some people? Seriously what next ban knives because you can stab someone and kill them, hell lets outlaw baseball bats because you can kill someone with one of those to. I am so tired of this anti gun BS everytime some nut job shoots someone. This is my opinion on the subject and the opinion of the majority thankfully.

[Marco]

What about us gun owners that like to target shoot and hunt do we get screwed over because some idiot killed some people? Seriously what next ban knives because you can stab someone and kill them, hell lets outlaw baseball bats because you can kill someone with one of those to. I am so tired of this anti gun BS everytime some nut job shoots someone. This is my opinion on the subject and the opinion of the majority thankfully.

Well, we will see if it is the opinion of the majority.

I am a hunter, and only a scared cunt needs a Bushmaster.

[Uncle Ron]

What about us gun owners that like to target shoot and hunt do we get screwed over because some idiot killed some people? Seriously what next ban knives because you can stab someone and kill them, hell lets outlaw baseball bats because you can kill someone with one of those to. I am so tired of this anti gun BS everytime some nut job shoots someone. This is my opinion on the subject and the opinion of the majority thankfully.

Some exceptions can and should(?) be made like rod, gun, and hunt clubs; shooting ranges where one can use a range-owned weapon. Hmm, I think this already happens, just not mandatory.
Although I understand your point, your argument is faulty beyond belief.
I can kill with just about any object, a pen or pencil for example, should we outlaw those as well?
Automobiles kill more people than guns, so does alcohol.
Baseball bats, pens, pencils, cars, alcohol, etc... weren't designed to kill, wait for it......................... guns are, it's their only purpose in design.
It's one of many excuses the NRA has used for years and it's as stupid and ignorant as when they first said it.

For all you gun lovers, go pry the guns out of the dead cold hands of the 27 innocent (law abiding) adults and children who were murdered on the 14th.
Let's not forget the 100,000's that have been killed as well.
It is long past overdue that Americans end their torrid love affair with all things guns.
Just my opinion on the matter...
...

[Smirks]

What about us gun owners that like to target shoot and hunt do we get screwed over because some idiot killed some people? Seriously what next ban knives because you can stab someone and kill them, hell lets outlaw baseball bats because you can kill someone with one of those to. I am so tired of this anti gun BS everytime some nut job shoots someone. This is my opinion on the subject and the opinion of the majority thankfully.

Some exceptions can and should(?) be made like rod, gun, and hunt clubs; shooting ranges where one can use a range-owned weapon. Hmm, I think this already happens, just not mandatory.
Although I understand your point, your argument is faulty beyond belief.
I can kill with just about any object, a pen or pencil for example, should we outlaw those as well?
Automobiles kill more people than guns, so does alcohol.
Baseball bats, pens, pencils, cars, alcohol, etc... weren't designed to kill, wait for it......................... guns are, it's their only purpose in design.
It's one of many excuses the NRA has used for years and it's as stupid and ignorant as when they first said it.

For all you gun lovers, go pry the guns out of the dead cold hands of the 27 innocent (law abiding) adults and children who were murdered on the 14th.
Let's not forget the 100,000's that have been killed as well.
It is long past overdue that Americans end their torrid love affair with all things guns.
Just my opinion on the matter...
...

Big fat +1 from me. Very well said Ron.

[Nimrod]

For all you gun lovers, go pry the guns out of the dead cold hands of the 27 innocent (law abiding) adults and children who were murdered on the 14th.
Let's not forget the 100,000's that have been killed as well.
It is long past overdue that Americans end their torrid love affair with all things guns.
Just my opinion on the matter...
...

Oh just fucking stop it with THAT already. Spoken like a true ex-pat.

I've been watching re-runs of The Rifleman, and am re-kindling MY torrid love affair with firearms.

Firearms are part of America's DNA. All of the wars to win our independence, how the west and the rest was stolen from Native Americans, and all the Native Americans that had to die, just so we could have this great? country of ours all to ourselves, leaving as few witnesses to the carnage as possible.

[worldcitizen1723]

America’s scourge: Guns killing kids

Every weekend, we aggregate a Newtown

by Richard Cohen
Monday, December 17, 2012, 8:21 PM


The shock of Newtown, Conn., is its Norman Rockwell quality. It is a sampler of a place with high-steepled churches and the usual gathering spots — coffee shops and such, and repeated testimonies to the serenity of the town. But what happened there — the sheer horror, the incomprehensible number of victims — tends to obscure how ordinary the death of children by gunshot has become. This is a collective massacre long ignored. Really, guns don’t kill people. Apathy does.
I cite now a report from the well-regarded Children's Defense Fund. In 2008 and 2009, 5,740 children — “one child or teen every three hours, eight every day, 55 every week for two years” — were killed by guns. In 2008, 408 of them were under the age of 15; 148 were under 10. A year later, 354 under 15 and 151 under 10 were killed by gunfire. All in all, 34,387 children were wounded by guns in those two years.
A disproportionate number of those kids were black or Hispanic. African-American children accounted for 45% of those victims, but were only 15% of the total child population. Sometimes, they’re merely sitting on a stoop or leaving a church. The newspapers almost daily report such tragedies.
What the ghetto, the inner city, the blighted neighborhood have in common with the bucolic Newtown is the mayhem of guns. This is a national calamity; a national absurdity. Great legal minds in this country are marshaled in the cause of keeping us armed to the teeth. The National Rifle Association insists on the purported right to be armed in the workplace. Employers blanch — it can be awkward to fire an armed recalcitrant, I imagine — but there is a supposed constitutional right to bear arms, the Supreme Court affirms, as if this is the nation it was in 1789.
I got my first and last weapon in the army. It was the vaunted M-14, and I was told to love it. I had to call it a weapon or a piece or a rifle, but never a gun — 20 pushups for that — and I had to clean it and disassemble it and, under pain of court martial, make sure it was free from rust.
This was the very heart of gun culture. The rifle was our most essential tool — what the hammer is to the carpenter — but even so, when we ended the day, we were forbidden to keep a single bullet. To do so was a grave offense because even people who love guns know that every barracks contained a nut — some young hothead fantasized about settling a score with a bunkmate or with the customarily sadistic drill sergeant.
But out in the world, virtually anyone can get a gun and the bullets to go with it. You have to have yellow eyes, pointy teeth and a Transylvanian accent to be denied the right to pack a weapon. Adam Lanza’s mother, Nancy, had at least three of them at home, including a version of the Army’s AR-15, a combat weapon. We consider this normal in this country. Why? When was the last Indian attack in that part of Connecticut? What militia did she belong to? Go into a drug store and you get carded to buy Sudafed. It’s easier in some cases to buy a gun.
I despair. Experience tells me that nothing will change. The struggle between gun owners and all others is virtually an even match in the public opinion polls, but as every politician knows, it’s the zealots who kill you at the polls. It is also a struggle between city people and country folk — a collision between those of us who fear guns and those of us who adore them. We cannot even agree on what scares us the most.
The memory of the Newtown horror will fade. But far from rare -- and hardly noticed — is the routine mayhem caused by guns — handguns, not combat stuff — and the daily shooting of children. Every weekend we aggregate a Newtown. It is our national shame.
cohenr@washpost.com


.....see these deaths in Newtown are just a drop in the bucket and America hardly notices....sad sad sad
fools - fight for your right to kill each other along with innocent creatures
such nonsense

[Marco]

.....see these deaths in Newtown are just a drop in the bucket and America hardly notices....sad sad sad
fools - fight for your right to kill each other along with innocent creatures
such nonsense

Are you a vegetarian? if not, save the bullshit about innocent creatures puleaze (we are talking hunting here)

[worldcitizen1723]

.....see these deaths in Newtown are just a drop in the bucket and America hardly notices....sad sad sad
fools - fight for your right to kill each other along with innocent creatures
such nonsense

Are you a vegetarian? if not, save the bullshit about innocent creatures puleaze (we are talking hunting here)

yeah, I am a vegetarian for over 35 years
innocent creatures: ALL sentient beings

hunting? Is it necessary? If your answer is yes (hard to imagine, but then I am a city slicker) - eat what you kill, at least there is an amount of dignity in that.

[Slip & Sal]

Australia banned automatic weapons. Was a good thing. We can still shoot heaps of Roos, stops dickheads that can't shoot for shit wasting heaps of bullets too. It takes three months to a year to get just a gun licence over here. With that you have to pass a police check, if you don't pass, no gun licence, no gun. Even for air rifles now.

I think USA should get tougher on guns. It should be harder to get them. I think you should need to prove why you need it. Self protection is not a good enough excuse for an Automatic weapon.

That said. blaming responsible gun owners for the actions of crazy people is not right. Problem is there does seem to be a lot of irresponsible guns owners in the U.S. Maybe this is a generational thing? Maybe responsibility, the rights of others to live and the seriousness of guns need to be thoroughly revised in the American culture?

[Marco]

.....see these deaths in Newtown are just a drop in the bucket and America hardly notices....sad sad sad
fools - fight for your right to kill each other along with innocent creatures
such nonsense

Are you a vegetarian? if not, save the bullshit about innocent creatures puleaze (we are talking hunting here)

yeah, I am a vegetarian for over 35 years
innocent creatures: ALL sentient beings

hunting? Is it necessary? If your answer is yes (hard to imagine, but then I am a city slicker) - eat what you kill, at least there is an amount of dignity in that.

Cool, then we disagree but a you are on solid logical standing, IMHO. It's the type that buy Tyson's chicken but decry hunting.

I only hunt (used to, it's damn near impossible here) for food. Wild duck, goose, pheasant is a delicacy. Bird hunting is fair to the game and their lives are 1000x better than farm animals.

What is necessary anyway? I assume you have bought weed and other drugs off the black market (even the coffeeshops buy from criminal gangs). Therefore, you contribute to criminality, terrorism, etc. Is that necessary?

[Marco]

Australia banned automatic weapons. Was a good thing. We can still shoot heaps of Roos, stops dickheads that can't shoot for shit wasting heaps of bullets too. It takes three months to a year to get just a gun licence over here. With that you have to pass a police check, if you don't pass, no gun licence, no gun. Even for air rifles now.

I think USA should get tougher on guns. It should be harder to get them. I think you should need to prove why you need it. Self protection is not a good enough excuse for an Automatic weapon.

That said. blaming responsible gun owners for the actions of crazy people is not right. Problem is there does seem to be a lot of irresponsible guns owners in the U.S. Maybe this is a generational thing? Maybe responsibility, the rights of others to live and the seriousness of guns need to be thoroughly revised in the American culture?

You mean semi-automatics. I don't think machine guns were ever legal is Australia.

[TwoCanucks]

I only hunt (used to, it's damn near impossible here) for food. Wild duck, goose, pheasant is a delicacy. Bird hunting is fair to the game and their lives are 1000x better than farm animals.

What is necessary anyway? I assume you have bought weed and other drugs off the black market (even the coffeeshops buy from criminal gangs). Therefore, you contribute to criminality, terrorism, etc. Is that necessary?

Fois gras...so right Marco....man those birds live a lovely life...kobe beef, same thing... If a fish eating vegan (which is an oxymoron in itself) saw what happens to fresh salmon to prevent enzymes from spreading, they'd be shocked...spike to the brain, followed by a spinal tap on the boat deck.

Edit: apologies for straying off topic

[redeyezman]

You all can talk about hunting and sport all you want but the 2nd ammendment is to protect ourselves from tyrannical government. I will use modern weaponry because if I fight, I fight to win, not to make a "last stand."

If the constitution isn't right for you then by all means find a new home. Until someone presents a better document for peace, and prosperity Ill have to stick with this.

Fight the government? GASP! What a whack job!

Hail Government! Hail Government! Hail Government!

[worldcitizen1723]

You all can talk about hunting and sport all you want but the 2nd ammendment is to protect ourselves from tyrannical government. I will use modern weaponry because if I fight, I fight to win, not to make a "last stand."

If the constitution isn't right for you then by all means find a new home. Until someone presents a better document for peace, and prosperity Ill have to stick with this.

Fight the government? GASP! What a whack job!

Hail Government! Hail Government! Hail Government!

lol

fight the government with your gun?! : >
lots a luck with that. you will be bombed and droned before you knew what hit ya

[redeyezman]

For the record I said modern weaponry, not gun, but I still understand your point. Thank you for helping prove my point regarding the tyrannical government we currently have. I understand you why you find it so comical, but to live without rights/freedom isn't really living.