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No mate, we can do the online petitions here which require a response at a certain threshold too.

I just thought that the strength of feeling about guns was such that 31,000 wasn't very much, although I haven't checked it's quite likely much more now, what with social media, youtube, facebook, going viral etc. See the weakness of online petitions.

Why I haven't joined on the gun debate here is that it is a conversation which, from my wide reading of world media, the American people have engaged in as never before and any interuptions from outside are, quite rightly in my opinion, not needed and not helpful.

Happy trails

Uncle Ron wrote:but this was an opinion. Let me reiterate - an opinion.
Piers Morgan didn't just come here, he's been here for quite some time.
Next, he works for CNN, a commentator and host. I'm not sure how that fits with the 1st Amendment...
As far as I know, it was not/is not his intention to use CNN as a platform to complain about our way of life.
This all started during an interview where he stated his opinion, again - an opinion.

Would you argue against the notion that the only reason he has that job, is because his opinion? CNN is different that FOX in that it is better able to disguise it's bias, because its been in the business longer. Let's not pretend like they are reporting news. They are providing entertainment. Advertising dollars are huge in news, and plenty of "men" for sale in that industry.... The petition in question IMHO is out of frustration with the media, propagating their bias ideals for $$$$.

Have to agree those petitions dont mean shit.....they require an answer? Wow, politicians give answers now, and not just diarrhea mouth? Pretty....sure....these people are just going to do whatever they want. Maybe if we had real generals with real balls upholding their oath to Constitution instead of privates with pin on rank, trying to get their cocks satisfied like they just got out of basic training we'd have some other set of circumstances within our nation....Until then the corporate military industrial complex marches forward....

I think people are so polarized at this point they will even let news shows divide & conquer them. Guess I'm no different.... It would beterrific if Ted Turner would just burn in Hell.

Whats the biggest most powerful recent act of war committed by Brits? I'm only tracking the 1950 Iran oil boycott/sanction....Gotta hate when a nation wants to nationalize an industry so everyone can profit? Is that what wold have happened if they nationalized it? No taxes needed....really nothing needed....sell that to every last consumer in the world....their land right? Ill trade with em....food more important than oil....

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13502 ... 7vM.mailto

Interesting essay..
Written by Timothy Leary
In 1968


...if ya decide to take a peek
Continue on to the second page......
The dream in a nutshell
Guess it did not work...... Or evolution just takes a lot longer
Than any of us thought.

So...the outrage lasts for about two weeks. Just about right for society's reaction to just about anything.

Next up, the senseless deaths and injuries relates to celebratory NYE gunshots. What goes up, must come down. This can happen most anywhere, as stoopid hilljacks have spread far and wide.

In the urban U.S., police on patrol take refuge from falling (and other) bullets under bridges, etc. from about 11:55pm-12:05am.

Let's be careful out there...

Nimrod wrote:So...the outrage lasts for about two weeks. Just about right for society's reaction to just about anything.

Media outrage perhaps, because without them how do we know who is doing what, when, or where? Twitter?

Nimrod wrote:Next up, the senseless deaths and injuries relates to celebratory NYE gunshots. What goes up, must come down. This can happen most anywhere, as stoopid hilljacks have spread far and wide.
In the urban U.S., police on patrol take refuge from falling (and other) bullets under bridges, etc. from about 11:55pm-12:05am.
Let's be careful out there...

After some light reading, not too many deaths/injuries in the US from NYE gunfire... fireworks and drunk drivers however are a different story...
Should guns be banned because of NYE incidents? Nah... Fireworks? Nope... Alcohol? Huh...? Cars? Getting a little stupid...

It's all good, at least until the next time, then that too shall come to pass...
Let's not change a thing, we have a near-perfect system as is, doesn't need to be fixed or tweaked...

Amerika...

Uncle Ron wrote:After some light reading, not too many deaths/injuries in the US from NYE gunfire... fireworks and drunk drivers however are a different story...

Hate to say it, but I'm almost glad that you found some evidence of gun-related NYE episodes, ffs. That eliminates you calling me a liar, and stops me from knocking your ass into a filthy canal.

Not too many, as you say...but isn't one enough?

What if a friend or loved one was, as you say, one of the 'not too many'?

One could also say that 'not too many' died in Newtown, CT.

Nimrod wrote:

Uncle Ron wrote:After some light reading, not too many deaths/injuries in the US from NYE gunfire... fireworks and drunk drivers however are a different story...

Hate to say it, but I'm almost glad that you found some evidence of gun-related NYE episodes, ffs. That eliminates you calling me a liar, and stops me from knocking your ass into a filthy canal.

Not too many, as you say...but isn't one enough?

What if a friend or loved one was, as you say, one of the 'not too many'?

One could also say that 'not too many' died in Newtown, CT.

As I said, not many in the US... even lower than wedding season in certain countries...
I wouldn't call you out as a liar, unless you lied, but then again I don't fancy doing the freestyle in a canal either...

One life is, always has been, and forever will be "one too many". A simple belief perhaps, but it's all I got...
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There are extremes when discussing whether to ban guns, but this incident is the reason why I don't fully support an outright ban on all guns.
Atlanta mom shoots intruder in the face 5 times...
http://now.msn.com/atlanta-mom-shoots-i ... t_twmsnnow

What I take issue with is that this asshole survived after being shot 5 times in the face (1 in the neck). Must have been a small caliber handgun.
Bless her heart that she had the strength and courage to do whatever it took to protect herself and her children.

This has NOTHING to do with assault weapons, those still need to be banned.
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Can anyone define a clear difference between a weapon, and an assault weapon? Seems like nothing more than a shock and awe terminology to me.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20919465

Is this what it's come down to ? It makes me want to weep. People need to start looking for some answers and I dont think this one.

Please grow up and stop glorifying violence. I know we have to nurture a certain level of aggression in ourselves for ultimate survival, but even some of the wilder stuff in this thread , from stoners above all, is daft. Gotta get mu M16 and hold off the fascist govt./commies/who the fuck else I'm paranoid/scared of when they cummin tu git me. Puleeeze .

Assault weapon? and I am certainly no authority on these things, but I would assume it's something you give to soldiers when they go into combat.

Guns and shooting them is sexy why dont people just admit it. In my younger days in the Navy I got to shoot up a couple of rifle ranges with a variety of weapons. It's cool shit dude...............................so is crack and smack.

NRA goes on the attack with anti-Obama ad. Rather tasteless to be pushing their agenda so hard just weeks after the tragedy IMO.

Stanky Danky wrote:NRA goes on the attack with anti-Obama ad. Rather tasteless to be pushing their agenda so hard just weeks after the tragedy IMO.

Just to be clear how foolish NRA donners (AKA members) are.....they give $$$$$$...... to people to protect their 2nd amendment right.....the right to bear arms......which by no coincidence is exactly what you need to protect the 1st&2nd amendment......so why again do they waist their $$$$$$??? Me thinks their stoned

But if only pushing an agenda is light of a tragedy is the quarrel, then I think it is pretty clear that barrack is too, so both very tasteless IMO....never waste a good opportunity they say.......

shit....hope i dont offend any nra members

redeyezman wrote:But if only pushing an agenda is light of a tragedy is the quarrel, then I think it is pretty clear that barrack is too, so both very tasteless IMO....never waste a good opportunity they say.......

It's not just that they are pushing an agenda, it's that they are putting out pro gun attack ads. I wouldn't give a fuck it was just run of the mill pro gun bullshit, but the fact that it's an attack ad makes it tasteless. Once Obama puts out an anti-NRA attack ad I'll find them both guilty of being tasteless, but for now I'm pretty sure Obama's just doing his job and responding to the tragedy in a much more classy manner than the NRA.

Who ever thought the NRA has class or taste?

All they have is money and an agenda.

Stanky Danky wrote:but for now I'm pretty sure Obama's just doing his job and responding to the tragedy in a much more classy manner than the NRA.

So he out classed a group of lobbyists? That's nothing to write home about...Ever meet a lobbyist? Consider yourself lucky if you haven't....

barrack's job is to uphold the constitution to the best of his ability, per the oath of office he took.....does basing conclusions in politics, based off the rules, violate the rules?