Oliver Stone's untold history of the USA

[treetop]

......... He profits from glorification of violence IMO.....which aint much better than violence itself, is it?..........

I completely disagree with that entire statement.

By the way, attacking the source won't change US history.

[redeyezman]

......... He profits from glorification of violence IMO.....which aint much better than violence itself, is it?..........

I completely disagree with that entire statement.

By the way, attacking the source won't change US history.

Most all films revolve around death, and violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone#Filmography

I'm fine with the US history. Focus on the good. Life, liberty, happiness Anyone who involves themselves heavily with the government, and then gets burned by said government, can only blame themselves, IMO. I thank the man for his service, but doubt manymost/all of his motives...perhaps this series his best effort to reconcile with himself? Either way....not really worthy of serious debate.... time for me to go smoke

[treetop]

......... He profits from glorification of violence IMO.....which aint much better than violence itself, is it?..........

I completely disagree with that entire statement.

By the way, attacking the source won't change US history.

Most all films revolve around death, and violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Stone#Filmography

not really worthy of serious debate.... time for me to go smoke

To be fair Red. You have to watch it to debate it.

[redeyezman]

To be fair Red. You have to watch it to debate it.

Yah...thats true....but the winners write history is also true....and i have a felling this guy is still trying to be a "winner".....anways he dropped out of Yale, to "be a grunt." Fuck him, and his wall street dad....That's the grunt mentality. Why? Because it's always low income guys, so that's the mentality you get. Is it right? Is it wrong? It's the truth....

You can see the same thing happening now that low income is growing as economy getting worse, and unfounded dissolution between free market capitalism, confused with corporatism, and crony capitalism. All you have to do to EASILY beat socialism (and the depression that comes with it) is make sure the business cycle stays honest. When people fill true demand, it is fair to gain wealth. When product is no longer needed/demanded, bankruptcy must be enforced, despite social impacts. Slow, drawn out, inefficient interventions like GM prolong the recovery. New and improved would fill the need, all in due time. There are thousands of examples that I can't/won't sight here....Just arguing, as always, sound monetary policies will fix so many social policies.

[mafufero]

Just watched Episode 1 and thought it was decent. Not a whole lot that is new, just mostly a bigger focus on the Red Army since they did after all deal with the brunt of the German Army in WW2 more than anyone else did (5 of out every 6 German soldiers that died in combat in WW2, did so fighting the Russians). The other part of this 1st episode I found interesting was the lack of US and British support for the anti-fascist coalition during the Spanish Civil War (1936-39). The discussion of Henry Wallace and the Manhattan Project are also important highlights of Episode 1 in my view.

There was one point in this first episode that I thought was factually incorrect or perhaps deceiving. According to the documentary, Stone argues that the Japanese chose not to go into Russia and help Germany by attacking it from the East in 1941. Actually, the Japanese army tried twice to do this in 1940, but failed, as they were quickly rebuffed by the Soviets each time. It was only then that there was more of a consensus in the Japanese ruling circles that the focus would be on SE Asia as opposed to USSR. This point is explained in a wonderfully-made British World War II documentary called THE WORLD AT WAR.


Now I'll watch the other 9 episodes of Untold Story.

[treetop]

Just finished the last episode. Chilling to the max with a hopeful ending.

Boy oh boy does he give it to Obama. I think it is because he actually had hope that Obama might be telling the truth with his 'change' message. Not the case it turns out as we all know.

With W. the series just lets the facts speak for themselves. Many people think Bush/Cheney are war criminals. Hard to see differently after being told the truth after the fact.

Tell me, were you fooled (at the time) by Bush/Blair and their lies to start a war?

In the interests of balance here's W. with some relevant final words......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1cTNcD

[mafufero]

Just finished the last episode. Chilling to the max with a hopeful ending.

Boy oh boy does he give it to Obama. I think it is because he actually had hope that Obama might be telling the truth with his 'change' message. Not the case it turns out as we all know.

With W. the series just lets the facts speak for themselves. Many people think Bush/Cheney are war criminals. Hard to see differently after being told the truth after the fact.

Tell me, were you fooled (at the time) by Bush/Blair and their lies to start a war?

In the interests of balance here's W. with some relevant final words......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1cTNcD

Thanks for that preview. Can't access the clip from the US apparently, or least from where I live. Since I don't have showtime, the only other episodes I'm able to watch is Episode 3 (so 1 and 3 on youtube, but that's it), even tried to purchase the whole series on Amazon, but not out yet. They're selling the book that accompanies the series, but not the DVDs. Recently, Stone was interviewed on a local news show here in the States, and his words of criticism toward of the current president's foreign policy were almost as harsh as they were for the previous president, particularly with the use of drones and the escalation in Afghanistan. You're right, too, a lot of people bought the BS about WMDs, at least here in the States they did. More troubling, perhaps, a lot of people here still think Saddam was responsible for 9-11.