Ice-O-Lator Hashes...

[Hitonda_Obong]

[quote="weedy"]I was looking for some top of the line Ice hash, or nederhash. Just wanted to try the best, since i will be with a few friends and we are willing to spend the money. We where looking at spending between 40-50 euros.
Therefore i had thought of the jelly hash from bushdoctors, or the baarneys rubble or maybe the waterworks from dampkring or 2e.
Which one would you personally recommend, any of the 3 mentioned or some other variety?
thanks[/quote]
My favorite list:
1. "Master Blaster" Stella Blue Ice from Anyday (40 e per gram)
2. "Dutch Moonshine" (or better) from 2e Kamer (try the sour 'n sage! - 45 e a gram).
3. "Blueberry Ice" from Noon (there's a nice 5g deal at around 100 e?)
4 "Grey Mist Crystal" from Grey Area (actually this is unpressed trichomes, but it really is awesome)

I've heard Bushdoctor is great in this department, but I don't have a report for that.
Enjoy!

[Dk4884]

Didn't get a chance to stop by Bushdoctor's last time but enough people say it's the place to go for any kind of hash. Just to clarify, jelly hash is a different product from bubble or ice hash. Jelly Hash is 1 part BHO (Butane Honey Oil 99% THC) combined with 3 parts bubble hash. Much stronger than your normal "full melt". Also, I'm pretty sure that while the unpressed trichromes from Grey Area were wonderful, it's dry seive which can't be as good as bubble. I'll explain. A trichome is like a mushroom and when you use the iceolator method of hash extraction it removes the "cap" of the mushroom which is where the bulk of psycoactive chemicals reside. When you dry seive (unless the screeen is ultra small) you get the full trichome. Not as potent. Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong with:

1. Jelly Hash from Blue Velvet (Down the street from Barney's) 40eu
2. Barney Rubble from Barney's 50eu

WARNING: Barney's changes the compositon of there Barney Ruble all the time so it may not be as good (or maybe it will be better( as when I sampled it)

Cheer's MAtes!

[DrGonzo]

Explain again how half a Trichome is stronger than a full one.... I just don't see the logic.

[nytvd]

i think he is saying the trichome is composed of
two parts - a stem and a mushroom top. and
that the mushroom top is more full of the
stuff that gets us high....

anyway - try the Tbilisa ice at t'Nes - had it a few days ago.
very strong and a bargain at 23Eu per gram.

[Dk4884]

but you have smoked entirely too much reefer!!!! Just kidding, but use your brain. Are you saying instead of filet mignon you'd rather have the whole cow? You have no grasp of how fine hash is made. Just stick too smoking it.

[DrGonzo]

OK, let's break it down.

The Trichome has two parts yes? Part A has for arguments sake 10 mg of THC and Part B has 3 Mg.

If I seperate them I have 10 mg in one hand and 3 mg in the other..... if I keep them together I have 13 mg.

As I said I just don't see the logic.

[mazdog]

DrG.... i think he is saying that by wieght/volume the bubble is a higher percentage THC...??? that is how i read it anyway.

[Dk4884]

I really thought you would get the "filet mignon" analogy but apparently you have never had a good steak. I going to overlook how dense you are and try and explain this. I'll try one using your logic. If the leaves and flowers and stems and have a little THC in them, why do we even make hash? Why not just smoke the whole bud? Are you starting to get the concept? Not yet? DO you think they charge more for bubble hash beacuse it's magical? It's because you get much less product from the iceolator method since your'e only yeilding the top of the trichome. I don't how else I can explain this. Go to bubbleman's website if your not getting it. JeeZ!!

[philly-Rich]

Also, I'm pretty sure that while the unpressed trichromes from Grey Area were wonderful, it's dry seive which can't be as good as bubble.

I disagree with the whole statement.(1)If you make bubble out of crap,you will have crap hash.If you make dry seive with killer,you will have killer hash.You seem to be saying that bubble is better than seive no matter what,not so.(2)The idea that bubble method removes only the heads is also false.Thats why you have mutiple bag systems for making bubble hash,so they can be seperated after they are removed.Now if you are saying that if you divided your harvest in 2,and made bubble with half and seive with the other half,that the bubble is always better,maybe, maybe not.While THC is not water soluble many of the other compounds that add to the high and taste are,and are removed with the bubble method.I will agree that the highest concentration of THC is in the heads,so as Maz said, by weight I would much rather have a gram of heads instead of a combo of heads and stalks.

[Dk4884]

The final product in the final bag of the "bubble bag" system which is your "full melT" bubble hash, is purley the heads of the trichomes. The other bags hold a lower grade of hash, but that should be obvious. It's not a "maybe, maybe not" situation between the dry seive and bubble bag methods as you claimed. The water extraction method makes a purer hash, period. The heaviest single part of a marijuana flower (bud) is the head on the trichomes. When you put the flowers in cold water everything else floats except the heads. It's just a more efficent way to make hash. You can get pretty fucking close with the dry seive, but you'll never get "full melt" as good from a dry seive method as you do from the iceolator. Again were talking about such a minor difference when the dry sieve is done right that you may prefer it if you claim it retains more flavor. No argument there. But the science is the science and there's no way around it. Cheers!

[DrGonzo]

I really thought you would get the "filet mignon" analogy but apparently you have never had a good steak. I going to overlook how dense you are and try and explain this. I'll try one using your logic. If the leaves and flowers and stems and have a little THC in them, why do we even make hash? Why not just smoke the whole bud? Are you starting to get the concept? Not yet? DO you think they charge more for bubble hash beacuse it's magical? It's because you get much less product from the iceolator method since your'e only yeilding the top of the trichome. I don't how else I can explain this. Go to bubbleman's website if your not getting it. JeeZ!!

True colours at last..... I just love it when people post like this.

"OK, as you're dumb I'll try especially hard"

You're a snob and a prick to boot..... have a look in the mirror.

The quest for knowledge is driven by questions.... you seem ever so keen to demonstrate just how intelligent you actually are so why do it in that particular manor?

Lest we forget that all you actually are exhibiting here is knowledge..... inteligence is a three fold deal, intelect, wisdom and knowledge.... you're clearly lacking in at least one of those areas.

Hey ho.... I bet you're really proud of your latest internet put down!

[mazdog]

The final product in the final bag of the "bubble bag" system which is your "full melT" bubble hash, is purley the heads of the trichomes. The other bags hold a lower grade of hash, but that should be obvious.

As a blanketing statement this is in correct.
Trichome head sizes vary from strain to strain and indica vs. sativa. Therefore with many strain the 'final bag' (smallest micron) is NOT the highest quality....i have heard of people that actually throwaway or don't even use the final bag with certain strains.

Multi stage dry sieve is the best in my opinion, no water to leech any terpenes and with multi sieving thru various sizes can easily get you full melt that is tasty and stoney.

You obviously have a good grasp of it but some of your facts are not factual across the board.

[Dk4884]

mazdog....you're absolutely right. I just didn't think I could get that deep into the subject considering the who I was discussing it with. But you are def right.

[philly-Rich]

When you put the flowers in cold water everything else floats except the heads.

If this is true why would you need bags,let alone different size screens,you could just scrape pure heads from the bottom of the container.I guess this is my stupidity making you talk out your ass,again.It took Maz ONE sentence to explain how trich size is related to strains,but thats to deep for us idiots to understand,as if I didn't all ready know it.Check out this thread from another forum,reply #3 link removed I'm done.

[DrGonzo]

But Rich,

Surely it's more important to use you one piece of second hand knowledge to make you feel superior. Surely that is the main issue here.