New to Hash: Is this normal ?

[Padge247]

Long time bud smoker, new time hash smoker.

So I have smoked Maroc hash a few times and get how to roll that fine (heat, crumble blah blah). However I bought some Afghan the other day for the first time the other day as it was dirt cheap and I wanted something indica based to help put me to sleep at night (trouble sleeping). I have always associated hash (rightly or wrongly) more with indica than sativa, especially when dirt cheap.

So I have been just warming the afghan in my hand (5 seconds) and then rolling it into thin 'sausages' roughly the thickness of the graphite you get in the refillable pencils, until they seperate or are at the point when they are just about to (usually somewhere between 1 and 2 inch), and then just spreading them over the tobacco in my joint.

Now to the point ! I noticed that when smoking the joint, when I knock the ash off I can normally see the thin 'sausages' in the ash. When I touch them they feel solid but as soon as I move them they turn to dust (well I guess ash but you know what I mean). I just wanted to ask the more experienced hash smokers out there if this was normal or if there is something wrong with my technique ?

Cheers !

TLDR; read last paragraph !

[treetop]

Long time bud smoker, new time hash smoker.

So I have smoked Maroc hash a few times and get how to roll that fine (heat, crumble blah blah). However I bought some Afghan the other day for the first time the other day as it was dirt cheap and I wanted something indica based to help put me to sleep at night (trouble sleeping). I have always associated hash (rightly or wrongly) more with indica than sativa, especially when dirt cheap.

So I have been just warming the afghan in my hand (5 seconds) and then rolling it into thin 'sausages' roughly the thickness of the graphite you get in the refillable pencils, until they seperate or are at the point when they are just about to (usually somewhere between 1 and 2 inch), and then just spreading them over the tobacco in my joint.

Now to the point ! I noticed that when smoking the joint, when I knock the ash off I can normally see the thin 'sausages' in the ash. When I touch them they feel solid but as soon as I move them they turn to dust (well I guess ash but you know what I mean). I just wanted to ask the more experienced hash smokers out there if this was normal or if there is something wrong with my technique ?

Cheers !

TLDR; read last paragraph !

Sounds to me like you are doing it just fine. However why would you ruin the fine taste of a good hash by mixing it with a harmful, dangerous and addictive drug like tobacco?

I'd smoke the hash pure in a pipe or bong. My own personal preference is a glass pipe.

[Weedus]

Thats fine
You can burn a bit of the sausage until you have a ash tip on it and then crumble the ash in your Hands and check if you find any hard residues which are black and not white burned.
Thats a generel check for Hash cause clean Hash burns with clean white Ash (same for Weed)

With Afghan Hash you should be a bit worried when its cheap.Real Afghan Hash is handrubbed from living Plants.You take the Bud,remove the leaves and then roll the Bud in your Hands.Your Hands will become coated in Black sticky Resin.Then you press your Thumb into it and turn your thumb,this causes the resin to form a little ball and stick at your thumb,you repeat this and everytime you do it the ball gets bigger and your hand cleaner
A old Hippy living in India was asked how much handrubbed Hash he can make a day,he said on a good day 7 Gramms.A old Indian Weedfarmer,realy old,was asked how much he could do in his best times,he said 5 Gramms a Day.

So you get an imagination how much handwork is needed for good Black Afghan Hash.
And when i see it get sold for 5 or 6 Euros a Gramm,im realy worried about the Quality,i cant imagine its done correctly with handrubbing for that price.
A other intresting Info is that Afghanistan grows much more commercial Hash then Moroco on a Square Kilometer of Farmland used for Cannabis.(offical UN stats) When i remember correctly it was 4 or 5 times more.This is impossible with real Handrubbed Afghan Hash like you could get 20 years ago.So when you see Afghan Hash sold for 5 or 6 Euros dont buy it
When you wanna smoke a real good (from what i can tell from watching the Video) Black Hash
get a Gramm of the Cream Hash from Coffeshop DeGraal for 18 Euros a Gramm it should be "the real cream"

Btw you could find this Video intresting
Arjan and Franco from Greenhouse Coffeshop/Seedcompany travelling trough India with an old Italian Hipyy living in a Cave there,to find the best Indian landraces.There you see the "Cream Handrubbing" in all Details
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqFiucWK ... ni&index=4

[Padge247]

Cheers guys, sounds like all is as should be (it does turn to a white ash). I thought it probably was but thought it best to check =)

@Treetop: In my hear I know you are right, I shouldn't mix with tobacco, especially since I don't smoke it unless it is with cannabis. I really really enjoy rolling joints (nearly as much as smoking them), I find it really therapeutic so that is why I tend to smoke joints more than hitting bongs etc In the long term I hope to switch to smoking pure, but at the moment I am not ready for that step. I mean to try using a tobacco substitute (ie Greengo) but I heard one BT (I don't want to cause any trouble so I wont name, but it was a well respected shop) saying he doesn't want people smoking it in his shop as it stinks when burnt (he didn't say he would kick people out who did) and would prefer people smoked tobacco.

@Weedus: If I was just visiting then I would probably splash out, but living here as a student with no lovely low interest student loans like I had in the UK means I just can't afford to. Like I said I only wanted the hash as something to help me get to sleep at night (failed last night, 3 hours after I turned off all distractions til I fell asleep). I understand what you are saying about cheap hash probably not being the real (handrubbed) deal, but unfortunately it is all I can afford this week ! I will probably get some cheap Indica bud next time.

I will watch the video when I get a spare moment, but you had me thinking about the growth compared with Morocco. I would have expected Afghanistan to produce more than Morocco, due to a) less strict/enforceable anti drugs laws (I am not saying Morocco has the worlds best DEA, but I imagine it is better and more effective than the equivalent in Afghanistan) b) The Taliban, and other such organisations, use drugs to help fund themselves, as such I imagine they have a large impact on making sure production is high (I also imagine they try to bulk out the product by adding shit but that is just imo). Now I am not saying this is enough to justify 4 times the production, but it may at least explain some of the difference

[Mack 10]

Actually the best afghani hash is dry sieve, its known as Shiraq.
Experienced hand rubbers can make 5-10 g of top quality and 20-50g of low quality if they rush.

Mack.

[Weedus]

When you need something for Sleep,i have a realy easy recipe ready in 5 Minutes

But first i wanted to ask you,do you ever heard of Lecithol??
Lecithol (Lecithin + Alcohol = Lecithol) contains Sesame Oil,Lecithin,Alcohol,Polysorbat80 and Peppermint Oil.

Its made for Medical Marijuana Users who dont want to smoke,but it also makes the Weed much Stronger,or better said,it allows more THC to get into your Brain then with smoking,5 to 9 times more.When smoking the so called "First Pass" Effect in the "Blood-Fat Barier" in your Brain filters out alot of THC.The Body does this to dont allow Poisons to get into your Brain in high dosage.
When smoked only 10% can pass this Border,with Lecithol 50 to 90 Percent
You can imagine how much effect you get from little Weed.

The good thing is Lecithol is shipped THC Free,its totaly legal everywhere,you decide which Weed you put into.
The 50ml Bottle is designed for 5 Gramm of Bud and cost around 7 Euros.

You put the Bud into the "Hot Air Oven" on 120 Degree Celsius for 20 Minutes. (they promise it dont destroy thc,it makes even more thc cause the remaining thc-acid which the plant was not able to proccess into psycho-active THC is changed into Delta9 and Delta11 thc then

After that the Weed is grinded fine as Possible and then put into the Lecithol Bottle.The Manual says shake the Bottle with Weed for some Minutes (i would suggest to shake,let it sit for a whole night,then shake again) and then filter out the remaining Plant parts and trow them away,they contain no more thc now.

The Lecithol Solution now contains all the THC.When you used Weed with 10% THC,1 ML of Lecithol will contain 10mg of THC.


Here is how it works in Detail.
Pure Food-Grade Alcohol is used to wash out the THC from the Weed.The THC then leaves the Alcohol to combine with the Sesame Oil cause THC is FAT-Loving (Lipophile) and likes to combine with Fat much more than with Alcohol.The Alcohol can be vaporated away later.

Now the THC is in the Sesame Oil,and the Polysorbat 80 (a Stuff used in many Food,for example Icecream) allows the Oil to split into countless microscopic balls which are able to swimm inside the Water (or Blood).Together with the Lecithin so called "mix micells" are forming.
And this "Mix-Micells" are the stuff which increases the Plasma concentration of THC many times,and allows much more THC to get into your Brain.

Its just awesome !!
When you use a good Indica Bud to produce your Lecithol you only need perhaps 1 ml to get realy relaxing stoned and very very sleepy.

Everyone who used it till now was amazed how strong the effect is.Usualy you start noticing it after 30 to 40 Minutes,then the effect increases and at around 2 Hours after consuming it you have reached the max concentration of thc in Blood and Brain


And here is my easy "Sleeping Tea" Recipe.
Chop down Weed (i suggest 0,3 Gramm for first Time) and put it into a Tea-Egg or when you dont have one,directly into the cup or Glass.Then fill up the Glas/Cup with boiling Water until its 60% Filled.When you start to see oily stuff on Waters surface add Coffe Milk with alot of Fat and use around 40% of the Cup/Glass Content.

Then let it rest until the temperature is good for drinking,and then drink everything and best swallow the Weed too
Effect will start 30-40 minutes Later and you will get very sleepy.

[Padge247]

Hmmm I hadn't heard of that substance, may have to look into it thank you very much !

I will try your drink idea, no harm in trying =) Thanks for all your help !

[Weedus]

Just remeber you need enough Fat.

Btw,you also can use Hash for baking and cooking.
Make hot Butter in the Pan,and when its hot trow the Hash in.The Hash will melt and dissolve completely ! But it doesnt taste good to be honest Weed has a much nicer taste
But Hash is better when you wanna get Sleeply Stoned from it,thats why it could be better for you

But you can use this Hash-Butter as replacement for normal Butter and make Cupcakes or Cookies from it .One of my earlier Friends (he left Town for his Chef-Carrier) was a Cook/Chef and he always made nice Cookies and Cakes in my Kitchen when i donated Hash for it.

Last Christmas i made "Cinnamon-Stars" with Hash and it was nice,its mainly fine grinded Nuts glued together with Eggs and Butter and then coated with beaten egg white.It contains enough fat for the THC and is realy tasty,also easy to dosage cause the thc gets evenly distributed and you have many little single cookies.When you make 100 Stars with 10 Gramms you have 100mg in each for example.

Other good thing is that they stay edible and tasty for a long time, (some Weeks) cause its mainly greasy nut and this dont dry out quick

[Padge247]

My girlfriend is a confectionery baker =)
Last time she was here we made Hash Brownies. Chocolate brownies are particularly good because the taste of chocolate is quite powerful so it helps mute the hash taste. Don't get me wrong you could 100% taste the hash, but I actually thought it went quite well with the chocolate, they tasted damn good ! 0.625g per slice made with very cheap hash, will up the dosage to 0.9g per slice next time =)

[robert__]

yeah, its normal. branch out from maroc if you're playing around with hash. maroc probably has some of the worst hash in the world, it's often turned into soap bar, and I don't think the plants they're producing from are that great. I smoke a lot of hash, mostly homemade dutch hash("bubble hash"). there's some great dutch hash out there (in terms of texture, taste, and potency).

"commercial" hash(those produced by drug barons to export to the world) doesn't tend to be that great, but you can find the "cream" of those hashes out there. black hash is usually pretty good, except the afghan border hash.