Fucking A man... as a college student this shit hits home. Va. Tech is so much like my college its crazy.
Man, what do people expect when we go to war for no reason? The US culture with weapons is out of whack.
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It's all about interpretation of the second ammendment though.....
Nobody will ever change the ammendment because that would open up the questioning of the first ammendment.....
What's needed is better control on teh sale of weapons and a clarification of what exacty "the right to bare arms" means.
Nobody will ever change the ammendment because that would open up the questioning of the first ammendment.....
What's needed is better control on teh sale of weapons and a clarification of what exacty "the right to bare arms" means.
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yeah, he only used amerikkkan guns that are so common cause of the US policies on guns
the 2nd amendment does not & never has barred laws regulating firearms. that's why the US has the weak ones it has now.
it's not the 2nd amendment that keeps decent gun laws, it's the criminal lobbies like the NRA & spineless politicians
(I guess lemming is going to castigate me now for calling politicians "spineless")
the 2nd amendment does not & never has barred laws regulating firearms. that's why the US has the weak ones it has now.
it's not the 2nd amendment that keeps decent gun laws, it's the criminal lobbies like the NRA & spineless politicians
(I guess lemming is going to castigate me now for calling politicians "spineless")
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Here is a list of some shootings.More than half of these incidents happened outside the US, several even in Europe.All of you America haters out there might find that hard to believe.Mental illness effects people all over the world.
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BLACKSBURG, ERFURT, LITTLETON
A Chronicle of the Worst Rampages Ever
The names Erfurt, Littleton and Dunblane stand for some of the bloodiest school shootings ever perpetrated. Blacksburg will now likely join that list. SPIEGEL ONLINE documents some of the worst shooting rampages in history.
February 12, 2007 : Ten people were killed during two shootings on the same day, one in Salt Lake City, Utah and one in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In Salt Lake City, the gunman opened fire in a shopping mall, killing five before he was shot and killed by the police. In Philadelphia, three men were killed at a business meeting before the gunman ultimately killed himself.
October 2, 2006 : In Lancaster County in Pennsylvania, 32-year-old truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV barricaded himself in a one-room Amish school house before killing five schoolgirls execution-style before killing himself.
March 21, 2005 : At Red Lake Senior High School in Minnesota, 16-year-old student Jeff Weise opened fire, killing five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard. Prior to the rampage, he had shot his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend. It later became apparent that Weise had visited neo-Nazi Web sites prior to the shooting.
April 26, 2002 : At Gutenberg Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany, 19-year-old Robert Steinhäuser killed 16 people and himself within just 10 minutes. Among the dead were 12 teachers, the school secretary, two students and a policeman. Steinhäuser had been expelled from the school one year prior to the attack.
March 27, 2002 : Thirty-three-year-old Richard Durn opened fire at a town hall in western Paris, calmly shooting at 40 people, killing eight of them. He committed suicide by jumping out of the fourth floor of police headquarters after he was captured.
September 26, 2001 : A 57-year-old attacker forced his way into the parliament of the Swiss canton Zug and opened fire. He killed 14 people before turning his gun on himself.
June 8, 2001 : Former janitor Mamoru Takuma rampaged through an elementary school in the Japanese city of Osaka. He stabbed eight children to death and wounded a number of others. He was sentenced to death and was hanged in September 2004.
April 20, 1999 : Two students stormed Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 12 other students aged 14 to 18 as well as a teacher. A further 24 people were injured before the attackers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, killed themselves.
March 24, 1998 : In Jonesboro, Arkansas, four students and a teacher were killed when two middle school boys aged 13 and 11 set off the fire alarm. The two then began shooting at the evacuated students from the woods nearby. A further nine students and a teacher were wounded in the hail of bullets.
May 22, 1997 : In north-eastern Brazil, a former soldier killed 17 people. First he murdered his wife and mother-in-law before leaving his home and firing randomly at people on the streets. The reason for his attack appears to have been rumors about his apparent homosexuality
April 28, 1996 : Thirty-five people were killed and a further 37 wounded when 28-year-old Martin Bryant went on a rampage in the town of Port Arthur on the island of Tasmania in Australia. Bryant opened fire in a café with an automatic weapon before moving to the neighboring gift shop and then the parking lot outside. It took hours before the police were able to capture the killer.
March 13, 1996 : In the deadliest attack on children in United Kingdom history, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton opened fire in a school gymnasium, killing 16 five- and six-year-olds and one teacher in the Scottish town of Dunblane. Hamilton then committed suicide.
September 23-24, 1995: In the French town of Toulon, a 16-year-old student killed his step-father, his half-brother and his mother on the evening of Sept. 23. The next morning, he continued his rampage, killing a further 10 victims.
October 16, 1991 : George Hennard drove his pickup into Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas and opened fire on the guests inside. He killed 23 people and wounded 20 before eventually killing himself.
December 6, 1989 : Twenty-five-year-old Marc Lepine killed 14 women and wounded a further 13 people at the École Polytechnique at the University of Montreal in the worst school massacre in Canada's history. He then took his own life. In a letter he left behind, he indicated a hate for feminists as a motive for the shooting.
July 18; 1984: James Oliver Huberty, a 41-year-old welder, walked into a McDonald's in San Ysidro, California and opened fire with a 9-mm Uzi semi-automatic and other weapons. He killed 21 people and wounded 19 before being gunned down by the police.
August 1, 1966 : At the University of Texas at Austin, a student ascended a tower at the university and opened fire on people below. In all he killed 15 people, including his wife and mother the night before. He was shot dead by the police.
June 11, 1964 : In Volkhoven near Cologne, Germany, an army veteran stormed a school, killing eight children and stabbing two teachers to death.
May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.
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A Chronicle of the Worst Rampages Ever
The names Erfurt, Littleton and Dunblane stand for some of the bloodiest school shootings ever perpetrated. Blacksburg will now likely join that list. SPIEGEL ONLINE documents some of the worst shooting rampages in history.
February 12, 2007 : Ten people were killed during two shootings on the same day, one in Salt Lake City, Utah and one in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In Salt Lake City, the gunman opened fire in a shopping mall, killing five before he was shot and killed by the police. In Philadelphia, three men were killed at a business meeting before the gunman ultimately killed himself.
October 2, 2006 : In Lancaster County in Pennsylvania, 32-year-old truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV barricaded himself in a one-room Amish school house before killing five schoolgirls execution-style before killing himself.
March 21, 2005 : At Red Lake Senior High School in Minnesota, 16-year-old student Jeff Weise opened fire, killing five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard. Prior to the rampage, he had shot his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend. It later became apparent that Weise had visited neo-Nazi Web sites prior to the shooting.
April 26, 2002 : At Gutenberg Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany, 19-year-old Robert Steinhäuser killed 16 people and himself within just 10 minutes. Among the dead were 12 teachers, the school secretary, two students and a policeman. Steinhäuser had been expelled from the school one year prior to the attack.
March 27, 2002 : Thirty-three-year-old Richard Durn opened fire at a town hall in western Paris, calmly shooting at 40 people, killing eight of them. He committed suicide by jumping out of the fourth floor of police headquarters after he was captured.
September 26, 2001 : A 57-year-old attacker forced his way into the parliament of the Swiss canton Zug and opened fire. He killed 14 people before turning his gun on himself.
June 8, 2001 : Former janitor Mamoru Takuma rampaged through an elementary school in the Japanese city of Osaka. He stabbed eight children to death and wounded a number of others. He was sentenced to death and was hanged in September 2004.
April 20, 1999 : Two students stormed Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 12 other students aged 14 to 18 as well as a teacher. A further 24 people were injured before the attackers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, killed themselves.
March 24, 1998 : In Jonesboro, Arkansas, four students and a teacher were killed when two middle school boys aged 13 and 11 set off the fire alarm. The two then began shooting at the evacuated students from the woods nearby. A further nine students and a teacher were wounded in the hail of bullets.
May 22, 1997 : In north-eastern Brazil, a former soldier killed 17 people. First he murdered his wife and mother-in-law before leaving his home and firing randomly at people on the streets. The reason for his attack appears to have been rumors about his apparent homosexuality
April 28, 1996 : Thirty-five people were killed and a further 37 wounded when 28-year-old Martin Bryant went on a rampage in the town of Port Arthur on the island of Tasmania in Australia. Bryant opened fire in a café with an automatic weapon before moving to the neighboring gift shop and then the parking lot outside. It took hours before the police were able to capture the killer.
March 13, 1996 : In the deadliest attack on children in United Kingdom history, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton opened fire in a school gymnasium, killing 16 five- and six-year-olds and one teacher in the Scottish town of Dunblane. Hamilton then committed suicide.
September 23-24, 1995: In the French town of Toulon, a 16-year-old student killed his step-father, his half-brother and his mother on the evening of Sept. 23. The next morning, he continued his rampage, killing a further 10 victims.
October 16, 1991 : George Hennard drove his pickup into Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas and opened fire on the guests inside. He killed 23 people and wounded 20 before eventually killing himself.
December 6, 1989 : Twenty-five-year-old Marc Lepine killed 14 women and wounded a further 13 people at the École Polytechnique at the University of Montreal in the worst school massacre in Canada's history. He then took his own life. In a letter he left behind, he indicated a hate for feminists as a motive for the shooting.
July 18; 1984: James Oliver Huberty, a 41-year-old welder, walked into a McDonald's in San Ysidro, California and opened fire with a 9-mm Uzi semi-automatic and other weapons. He killed 21 people and wounded 19 before being gunned down by the police.
August 1, 1966 : At the University of Texas at Austin, a student ascended a tower at the university and opened fire on people below. In all he killed 15 people, including his wife and mother the night before. He was shot dead by the police.
June 11, 1964 : In Volkhoven near Cologne, Germany, an army veteran stormed a school, killing eight children and stabbing two teachers to death.
May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.
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Here is the link for the above storyhttp://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 89,00.html
You are wasting you're breath Philly. You make well thought out valid points but those who want to hate simply to hate the US because it is the thing to do will go ahead and be ignorant. You know they will blame incidents abroad on US culture,saying we are corrupting the world. Keep on hating, love it.philly-Rich wrote:Here is a list of some shootings.More than half of these incidents happened outside the US, several even in Europe.All of you America haters out there might find that hard to believe.Mental illness effects people all over the world.
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BLACKSBURG, ERFURT, LITTLETON
A Chronicle of the Worst Rampages Ever
The names Erfurt, Littleton and Dunblane stand for some of the bloodiest school shootings ever perpetrated. Blacksburg will now likely join that list. SPIEGEL ONLINE documents some of the worst shooting rampages in history.
February 12, 2007 : Ten people were killed during two shootings on the same day, one in Salt Lake City, Utah and one in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In Salt Lake City, the gunman opened fire in a shopping mall, killing five before he was shot and killed by the police. In Philadelphia, three men were killed at a business meeting before the gunman ultimately killed himself.
October 2, 2006 : In Lancaster County in Pennsylvania, 32-year-old truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV barricaded himself in a one-room Amish school house before killing five schoolgirls execution-style before killing himself.
March 21, 2005 : At Red Lake Senior High School in Minnesota, 16-year-old student Jeff Weise opened fire, killing five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard. Prior to the rampage, he had shot his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend. It later became apparent that Weise had visited neo-Nazi Web sites prior to the shooting.
April 26, 2002 : At Gutenberg Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany, 19-year-old Robert Steinhäuser killed 16 people and himself within just 10 minutes. Among the dead were 12 teachers, the school secretary, two students and a policeman. Steinhäuser had been expelled from the school one year prior to the attack.
March 27, 2002 : Thirty-three-year-old Richard Durn opened fire at a town hall in western Paris, calmly shooting at 40 people, killing eight of them. He committed suicide by jumping out of the fourth floor of police headquarters after he was captured.
September 26, 2001 : A 57-year-old attacker forced his way into the parliament of the Swiss canton Zug and opened fire. He killed 14 people before turning his gun on himself.
June 8, 2001 : Former janitor Mamoru Takuma rampaged through an elementary school in the Japanese city of Osaka. He stabbed eight children to death and wounded a number of others. He was sentenced to death and was hanged in September 2004.
April 20, 1999 : Two students stormed Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 12 other students aged 14 to 18 as well as a teacher. A further 24 people were injured before the attackers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, killed themselves.
March 24, 1998 : In Jonesboro, Arkansas, four students and a teacher were killed when two middle school boys aged 13 and 11 set off the fire alarm. The two then began shooting at the evacuated students from the woods nearby. A further nine students and a teacher were wounded in the hail of bullets.
May 22, 1997 : In north-eastern Brazil, a former soldier killed 17 people. First he murdered his wife and mother-in-law before leaving his home and firing randomly at people on the streets. The reason for his attack appears to have been rumors about his apparent homosexuality
April 28, 1996 : Thirty-five people were killed and a further 37 wounded when 28-year-old Martin Bryant went on a rampage in the town of Port Arthur on the island of Tasmania in Australia. Bryant opened fire in a café with an automatic weapon before moving to the neighboring gift shop and then the parking lot outside. It took hours before the police were able to capture the killer.
March 13, 1996 : In the deadliest attack on children in United Kingdom history, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton opened fire in a school gymnasium, killing 16 five- and six-year-olds and one teacher in the Scottish town of Dunblane. Hamilton then committed suicide.
September 23-24, 1995: In the French town of Toulon, a 16-year-old student killed his step-father, his half-brother and his mother on the evening of Sept. 23. The next morning, he continued his rampage, killing a further 10 victims.
October 16, 1991 : George Hennard drove his pickup into Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas and opened fire on the guests inside. He killed 23 people and wounded 20 before eventually killing himself.
December 6, 1989 : Twenty-five-year-old Marc Lepine killed 14 women and wounded a further 13 people at the École Polytechnique at the University of Montreal in the worst school massacre in Canada's history. He then took his own life. In a letter he left behind, he indicated a hate for feminists as a motive for the shooting.
July 18; 1984: James Oliver Huberty, a 41-year-old welder, walked into a McDonald's in San Ysidro, California and opened fire with a 9-mm Uzi semi-automatic and other weapons. He killed 21 people and wounded 19 before being gunned down by the police.
August 1, 1966 : At the University of Texas at Austin, a student ascended a tower at the university and opened fire on people below. In all he killed 15 people, including his wife and mother the night before. He was shot dead by the police.
June 11, 1964 : In Volkhoven near Cologne, Germany, an army veteran stormed a school, killing eight children and stabbing two teachers to death.
May 18, 1927 : In the deadliest mass school murder in United States history, former school board member Andrew Kehoe set off three bombs in Bath Township, Michigan killing 45 people and wounding 58. Kehoe killed himself and the superintendent by blowing up his own vehicle.
Mental illness happens everywhere
A policy of making it as easy as pie for them to get guns is pure amerikkka
Va. Tech was just a drop in the bloody bucket amerikkka sheds every day, week, month, year w/ its own citizens; not to mention the 10s of 1000s it happily slaughters to keep easy access to oil.
No one seems to read, but maybe they'll take the time to look at a pretty picture related to youth death rates & firearms:
A list of gun-related deaths per 100,000 people among the richest countries in the world in 1994:
United States 14.24;
Northern Ireland 6.63;
Finland 6.46;
Switzerland 5.31;
France 5.15;
Canada 4.31;
Norway 3.82;
Austria 3.70;
Portugal 3.20;
Israel 2.91;
Belgium 2.90;
Australia 2.65;
Slovenia 2.60;
Italy 2.44;
New Zealand 2.38;
Denmark 2.09;
Sweden 1.92; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
I guess if John Lennon had retired to Tokyo instead of New York, he'd still be alive today.
A policy of making it as easy as pie for them to get guns is pure amerikkka
Va. Tech was just a drop in the bloody bucket amerikkka sheds every day, week, month, year w/ its own citizens; not to mention the 10s of 1000s it happily slaughters to keep easy access to oil.
No one seems to read, but maybe they'll take the time to look at a pretty picture related to youth death rates & firearms:
A list of gun-related deaths per 100,000 people among the richest countries in the world in 1994:
United States 14.24;
Northern Ireland 6.63;
Finland 6.46;
Switzerland 5.31;
France 5.15;
Canada 4.31;
Norway 3.82;
Austria 3.70;
Portugal 3.20;
Israel 2.91;
Belgium 2.90;
Australia 2.65;
Slovenia 2.60;
Italy 2.44;
New Zealand 2.38;
Denmark 2.09;
Sweden 1.92; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
I guess if John Lennon had retired to Tokyo instead of New York, he'd still be alive today.
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Your statistics prove my point.In America,by the way,spelling it with 3 ks,so clever,there are about 250 million guns in private hands.In the countries in the above list I'm sure private gun ownership is less than half a million in any one country.So in America we have 500 times the amount of guns and only 4 or 5 times the amount of incidents, on average.Seems to me that America is the safest,compared to those careless nations on that list.For all that great gun control in all those countries and to still have so many problems,maybe there is another cause?The 2 countries you have highlighted are the US and The Netherlands.There are probaly not more than a few thousand guns in The Nehterlands.America easily has 1000,maybe 10,000, times as many guns.Yet America(14.24) has only 20,21 times the amount of deaths as The Netherlands(.70).How do you explain that?My explanation is that the number of guns has very little to do with it, as the statistics clearly show.mover2100 wrote:Mental illness happens everywhere
No one seems to read, but maybe they'll take the time to look at a pretty picture related to youth death rates & firearms:
A list of gun-related deaths per 100,000 people among the richest countries in the world in 1994:
United States 14.24;
Northern Ireland 6.63;
Finland 6.46;
Switzerland 5.31;
France 5.15;
Canada 4.31;
Norway 3.82;
Austria 3.70;
Portugal 3.20;
Israel 2.91;
Belgium 2.90;
Australia 2.65;
Slovenia 2.60;
Italy 2.44;
New Zealand 2.38;
Denmark 2.09;
Sweden 1.92; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.
Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
I guess if John Lennon had retired to Tokyo instead of New York, he'd still be alive today.
I agree that you should have to be a citizen not someone who grow up here and did not like it enough or feel American enough to become an American.
I also think that the United States needs to quit taking in all of the rejects from around the world.
Also in other countries where Guns are harder to get legally they will get them illegally or just use something else to do the killing.
I would also think that also most of the guns used to commit murders are not legally gotten.
After seeing what it is like in the boarder states I would also say that alot of the guns do not originate from the US.
In any case I would think that in the US that if you make guns illegal then only the criminals will have them.
I do not think that the for fathers original intentions are still valid that went into the toilet when the Military got automatic weapons and other things,
because there is no way that we could take our country back if we do not agree with our government . I will bet that George fills good about that.
But since it is Americans Killing Americans..........you should be happy since you hate us so much.
I also think that the United States needs to quit taking in all of the rejects from around the world.
Also in other countries where Guns are harder to get legally they will get them illegally or just use something else to do the killing.
I would also think that also most of the guns used to commit murders are not legally gotten.
After seeing what it is like in the boarder states I would also say that alot of the guns do not originate from the US.
In any case I would think that in the US that if you make guns illegal then only the criminals will have them.
I do not think that the for fathers original intentions are still valid that went into the toilet when the Military got automatic weapons and other things,
because there is no way that we could take our country back if we do not agree with our government . I will bet that George fills good about that.
But since it is Americans Killing Americans..........you should be happy since you hate us so much.
love 420 gold and anything outdoors!
Washington, DC at half-a-million is much smaller than Detroit (which has an equivalent murder rate), yet Detroit is excluded. The worst 20 cities for murder rate listed were:
SELECTED WORST CITIES
MURDER (LATE-1990s)
EUROPE AND USA CITY MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 39.69
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9
We are not the only ones and I think that everyone will agree that most of these US citys are larger with more gang violance then the European cities listed. Living in new york city is almost as safe as Helsinki.
SELECTED WORST CITIES
MURDER (LATE-1990s)
EUROPE AND USA CITY MURDERS
PER 100,000
(1) Washington, D.C., USA 39.69
(2) Philadelphia, USA 27.4
(3) Dallas, USA 24.8
(4) Los Angeles, USA 22.8
(5) Chicago, USA 20.5
(6) Phoenix, USA 19.1
(7) Moscow, Russia 18.1
(8) Houston, USA 18.0
(9) New York City, USA 16.8
(10) Helsinki, Finland 12.5
(11) Lisbon, Portugal 9.7
(12) San Diego, USA 8.0
(13) Amsterdam, Netherlands 7.7
(14) Belfast, N.Ireland, UK 4.4
(15) Geneva, Switzerland 4.2
(16) Copenhagen, Denmark 4.0
(17) Berlin, Germany 3.8
(18) Paris, France 3.3
(19) Stockholm, Sweden 3.0
(20) Prague, Czechoslovakia 2.9
We are not the only ones and I think that everyone will agree that most of these US citys are larger with more gang violance then the European cities listed. Living in new york city is almost as safe as Helsinki.
love 420 gold and anything outdoors!
Well, I can see one of the Cylonsphilly-Rich wrote:Your statistics prove my point.In America,by the way,spelling it with 3 ks,so clever,there are about 250 million guns in private hands.In the countries in the above list I'm sure private gun ownership is less than half a million in any one country. So in America we have 500 times the amount of guns and only 4 or 5 times the amount of incidents, on average.Seems to me that America is the safest,compared to those careless nations on that list.For all that great gun control in all those countries and to still have so many problems,maybe there is another cause?
is gonna get on your case about those messy li'l facts. He insists we run everything by a fact checker before we post it on the board. I, on the other hand, understand that not everyone understands how to use Google to find even the simplest facts. But of course other factors affect death rate by guns than simply ownership. It's not just that there are a lot more guns in amerikkka than in other nations. But the prevalence of guns appears to be the greatest cause and the easiest thing we could do about it.
IF amerikkka really cared about the life of its own citizens, of course. But that's a mighty big IF.
& of course, facts aside, the absurdity of saying that the highest death rate in the world is good because it ain’t even higher is lost on a true gun ideologue.
Not that I really expect the facts to affect an ideologue in any case, but the general rule of thumb long held from a study in the New England Journal of Medicine concluded that gun possession increased the risk of homicide victimization by a factor of 2.8. That means in a household w/ a gun, it is 2.8 times more likely for one of the family members to die from a gun shot than a household w/o a gun. But I'm sure y'all feel real safe.
a more recent study of US states & regions found:
- In region- and state-level analyses, a robust association between rates of household firearm ownership and homicide was found. Regionally, the association exists for victims aged 5 to 14 years and those 35 years and older. At the state level, the association exists for every age group over age 5, even after controlling for poverty, urbanization, unemployment, alcohol consumption, and nonlethal violent crime.
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/full/92/12/1988
Hi gun ownership states had 21,148 gun related deaths
Low gun ownership states had 7,266 gun related deaths
Hi gun ownership rates have almost 3 times the number of deaths than low gun ownership states do
http://www.ajph.org/cgi/content/full/92/12/1988/T3
The conclusion is simple: more guns means massively more deaths. Period.
If amerikkka really cared about life it could easily protect its citizens beside these things. Any automatic or semi-automatic weapon should be banned immediately; any magazine clips of multiple bullets should be outlawed. Handguns, if not completely banned, should be strictly controlled & regulated. None of these would affect anyone who really wants to hunt.
But a psycho couldn't walk into a store & buy a glock 9 mm on Monday and show up on campus in a bullet proof vest on Tuesday.
But amerikkka doesn't like life. it leaves its youth available for slaughter. So, we will be having this discussion again when the next tragedy occurs on a school yard or at a McDonald's.
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.
