Personal weapons
Moderator: Balou
But you haven’t answered my point Az. If everyone here was armed would my chance of getting shot really decrease? As for law abiding citizens, remember, that’s not us (smoking cannabis is illegal there and here isn’t it?) Lastly, it’s not just the government here that’s telling us we can’t carry guns. There is no NRA here and most people don’t want guns to be freely available.
Lemming wrote:
Everyone breaks the law in some form or another (drinking to much and driving is one, and now most places smoking cigaretts will get you in trouble) but other then smoking pot, I'm not out robbing, stealing, or breaking the law to support my habit... I'm just a law abiding citizen like you.
If it's not the goverment telling you can't have a gun to protect yourself, then who is it? From the footage I saw a couple of years ago, Brits were up in arms when they took away the last of your gun rights. And that article from Rez., the victim still gets screwed, trying to protect himself.
But there are still many people in the UK who would choose to have a weapon if it were freely available, they just don't get that choice, because of laws in the UK.
AzLaker
Yes, your chances of being shot would go down if everyone could protect themselves, because has I pointed out earlier the bad guys will think twice, not knowing if they themselves might be shot. As I also mentioned 8 out of 10 people don't need to use their weapon...in most cases just showing your armed will stop you from being a victim.But you haven’t answered my point Az. If everyone here was armed would my chance of getting shot really decrease? As for law abiding citizens, remember, that’s not us (smoking cannabis is illegal there and here isn’t it?) Lastly, it’s not just the government here that’s telling us we can’t carry guns. There is no NRA here and most people don’t want guns to be freely available.
Everyone breaks the law in some form or another (drinking to much and driving is one, and now most places smoking cigaretts will get you in trouble) but other then smoking pot, I'm not out robbing, stealing, or breaking the law to support my habit... I'm just a law abiding citizen like you.
If it's not the goverment telling you can't have a gun to protect yourself, then who is it? From the footage I saw a couple of years ago, Brits were up in arms when they took away the last of your gun rights. And that article from Rez., the victim still gets screwed, trying to protect himself.
But there are still many people in the UK who would choose to have a weapon if it were freely available, they just don't get that choice, because of laws in the UK.
AzLaker
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Alaskan Biker
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pansTX420 wrote:
and AK Biker.. what ever dude now you are telling me that a polar bear is the same size as a brown bear.
Also I would like to argue with you more on size
actually my intent was never to argue I thought I was having a conversation with someone and my motivation was trying to be helpful and keep you from maybe getting killed but anyway I see how well that has gone over and will not waste my time anymore after this post and on bear size maybe you will believe this from the AK Fish and Game Dept..........
http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/notebo ... rnbear.php
http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cf ... ars.trivia
http://www.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/notebo ... larbea.php
those are based on the averages you have to remember Alaska is larger than Texas, Calif and Montana combined so we have many climate regions in this state and food supply changes from valley to valley and region to region and season to season
up here you could be in one area and run into a 800lb or go 50 miles down the road and run into a 1500lb or you could have a big daddy giant over a ton walk through your yard tomorrow
anyway I'm done ...........good luck
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Alaskan Biker
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Big surprise that I am against outlawing guns.
As has already been pointed out on here in the areas of this country where guns are in most homes or carried concealed by permit our violent crime is very low and I believe as well as others that this is due to the criminals hesitation in places where they know they are actually risking THIER life for a change and in a country where only about 30% of our homicides end in a conviction and then they still turn around and let some of them out that just is not scaring the criminal and our crime rates prove it but since they started allowing concealed weapons permits in some states around 10 years ago violent crime has really been dropping in those areas it's even going down in some of the cities of those states and at the same time you see an increase in non violent crimes.
We also have a history of smugglers in this country for gun control to ever have any chance of working if you outlaw the guns their value will skyrocket and the only thing a smuggler cares about is the money it does not matter what the cargo and I think we all know how impossible it is to stop the drugs so if the guns become illegal suddenly a hand gun is worth say $5000 and it will be as hot an item to a smuggler as drugs , technology or exotic illegal animals parts and guns would be easier to smuggle just break them down and throw in some other machine parts and nothing for an X-ray to make out and just reassemble later...also completely cleaned you have no gun powder residue for a dog to sniff.......and really what does a criminal care what a gun cost it is not HIS money.
So until the human race as a whole changes something about itself other than just the technology and tools we use or the clothes and type of homes we live in and people stop doing the things to each other that they have for thousands of years I have no intention of living in a place where only the WORST of our kind are armed.
Peace is a wonderful idea and I spent a lot of my life looking for it and found the closest thing to it in the Canadian and Alaskan Frontier but even here I have to live in the real world and it may be close but it's not quite perfect "utopia is a wonderful idea"..........and if I knew where it was I would gladly leave my guns at the entrance for all time.
As has already been pointed out on here in the areas of this country where guns are in most homes or carried concealed by permit our violent crime is very low and I believe as well as others that this is due to the criminals hesitation in places where they know they are actually risking THIER life for a change and in a country where only about 30% of our homicides end in a conviction and then they still turn around and let some of them out that just is not scaring the criminal and our crime rates prove it but since they started allowing concealed weapons permits in some states around 10 years ago violent crime has really been dropping in those areas it's even going down in some of the cities of those states and at the same time you see an increase in non violent crimes.
We also have a history of smugglers in this country for gun control to ever have any chance of working if you outlaw the guns their value will skyrocket and the only thing a smuggler cares about is the money it does not matter what the cargo and I think we all know how impossible it is to stop the drugs so if the guns become illegal suddenly a hand gun is worth say $5000 and it will be as hot an item to a smuggler as drugs , technology or exotic illegal animals parts and guns would be easier to smuggle just break them down and throw in some other machine parts and nothing for an X-ray to make out and just reassemble later...also completely cleaned you have no gun powder residue for a dog to sniff.......and really what does a criminal care what a gun cost it is not HIS money.
So until the human race as a whole changes something about itself other than just the technology and tools we use or the clothes and type of homes we live in and people stop doing the things to each other that they have for thousands of years I have no intention of living in a place where only the WORST of our kind are armed.
Peace is a wonderful idea and I spent a lot of my life looking for it and found the closest thing to it in the Canadian and Alaskan Frontier but even here I have to live in the real world and it may be close but it's not quite perfect "utopia is a wonderful idea"..........and if I knew where it was I would gladly leave my guns at the entrance for all time.
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philly-Rich
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I have been trying to avoid commenting on this topic because I come here to talk about what brings us together not what divides us.That being said, I have strong opinions about gun control.I own many firearms including "assualt weapons".There are no bears here and I really don't use my guns to defend my house,as I, as most Americans live in a very safe place.I look at my guns as an insurance policy.You insure your home against flood and fire.You hope that it does not happen.Chances are good that it will not happen,but you still would be foolish not to have the insurance.Americans right to bare arms is about much more than your personal safety,although that is important.An armed populace yields greater control over thier government.If the British government gets out of control and does not listen to the complaints of the people,what recourse do you have?Complain louder?The American people could do something about it.Remember 1776. I can understand if someone wants nothing to do with guns,but don't infringe on my rights.A gun is a tool.You can not blame it for what man does.Man has murderred man,waged war for thousands of years before the invention of firearms.If all guns were gone tomorrow that would not change. Those of you who do not live in America may find it hard to believe but unless you are buying crack off the street in the worst part of a city at 2 in the morning, the chances of being involved in a shooting are next to nothing.Things do happen here but remember we are a country of close to 300 million people.
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pan4gold49
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Hi Yall
Back when I used to live in Seattle I was a member the NRA. The apartment where I lived was in a very high crime area. My soultion was very simple I put a NRA and 2nd amendment on my door and window.
In the two years I lived there were 30 break ins yet I seemed to be not targeted. Hum never broke into I wonder why? Could be the gun in sticker stating the owner of this property is armed? Boy you have should seen the cops knocking on my door after a neibour got robbed boy were they cautious. At that time I had only three weapons a russain made AK-47 an AR-15 and a 38. The one cop was funny and had to see the AK the gun that he heard fired at him in NAM. Well if some one thinks you are armed they will be less likely to start something.
Pan
Back when I used to live in Seattle I was a member the NRA. The apartment where I lived was in a very high crime area. My soultion was very simple I put a NRA and 2nd amendment on my door and window.
In the two years I lived there were 30 break ins yet I seemed to be not targeted. Hum never broke into I wonder why? Could be the gun in sticker stating the owner of this property is armed? Boy you have should seen the cops knocking on my door after a neibour got robbed boy were they cautious. At that time I had only three weapons a russain made AK-47 an AR-15 and a 38. The one cop was funny and had to see the AK the gun that he heard fired at him in NAM. Well if some one thinks you are armed they will be less likely to start something.
Pan
Sorry, but that’s insane. Although there has been a rise in gun crime in a few cities here, in most parts of the country shootings are still virtually unheard of. Currently my chances of getting shot are about the same as of winning the National Lottery (and I never buy a ticket). To suggest that having every idiot on the street carrying a gun would actually reduce that chance to less than zero is, frankly, ridiculous. Carrying a gun doesn’t make you bullet-proof, it simply allows you to participate in the carnage.AzLaker wrote:Yes, your chances of being shot would go down
I’m not suggesting that America should ban guns. With so many guns already in circulation and a population that wants it that way, so be it. Meanwhile, there is only a tiny minority of the population here that would like to see guns controls relaxed. It really isn’t an issue.
I’m not telling you how to do things over there. My only complaint was that you were using my country as an example of where guns are relatively rare and the streets are covered in bullet-ridden bodies. Common sense and statistics simply don’t bare that out.
As I said, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. I’ll promise not to tell you guys to ban guns if you promise not to tell us to arm ourselves. Vive la difference, as they say in France. Pass the vapo bag
AK Biker
I never intended to argue with you either but I am quite tired of saying that my 9 with my ammunition was sufficient for me and that the Bears where we go are not as large as the ones in Alaska. Then I agreed that if that was my main intent Bears that I would carry a larger gun say even a 44 mag but I owned the gun before I started going to Montana and for 2 weeks with what I have seen not worth the expense added weight and such at this time. Other wise MT Lions and maybe the occasional wolf sound Lynx Bobcat or what ever along those lines as well as the ted Bundy types is why I carry mine and it will work great 50 weeks out of the year and I guess for the 2 that I am in Montana I will just have to feel less than adequate
Cougar Found in Sandy Garage
May 5th, 2004 @ 5:39pm
(KSL News) -- A cougar got into a Sandy garage this evening. Getting it out of the garage wasn't easy.
[color=darkred]The homeowner heard a sound in the garage and discovered a large mountain lion. She slammed the door, locking the cougar inside.
Division of wildlife resources officers had to enter the garage through the house.
An officer fired a tranquilizer dart at the big cat and got it out of the
(Also at Ksl News)
A Provo woman, walking out to her car alone, comes face to face with a mountain lion. The woman was leaving a friend's home when the animal jumped up onto her car.
Wildlife resources is hearing these stories over and over, wild animals venturing into residential areas. They're cold, hungry, and in this case, aggressive.
April Black, Provo: “I came down a very steep driveway and just as I got to the car, I was about to put my hand on the handle, and I saw what I thought was a German shepherd."
When she heard it scream and growl she knew it was something different entirely.
April: “I thought of that scream all night."
April Black had her run-in with the mountain lion at a friend's house in Lindon. The animal jumped up onto her car as she was about to drive away.
April: “I was very shaken and she could tell. And I called her and said, ‘Just be careful when you go out.’"
One explanation is that mountain lions are simply following their food source, deer and other animals, down into the areas where people live.
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “This time of year the deer are moving farther into town and so the mountain lions follow them."
In American Fork, Jolene Balantyne saw a mountain lion staring face to face with her cat.
Jolene Ballantyne, American Fork: “About two feet not including the tail, so it’s a younger one."
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “They do eat stray cats or any cats or dogs that are out."
People are encountering more mountain lions, but that may be because we are closer to their territory.
Joe Abbott: “I don't think it’s made a difference with mountain lions coming down. The difference is people are building further up on the hill so the deer are coming into the city more."
Several dead deer have been found in backyards in both Lindon and American Fork. Wildlife resources says they are keeping track of the that and other cougar sightings.
The Department of Wildlife Resources says to prevent conflicts with cougars:
Do not feed deer or raccoons.
Don't leave pet food out and keep pets inside at night.
Close barns and sheds.
Don't allow children to play alone in foothill locations, especially at dawn and dusk.
If you observe threatening cougar behavior, contact Wildlife Resources.
A Provo woman, walking out to her car alone, comes face to face with a mountain lion. The woman was leaving a friend's home when the animal jumped up onto her car.
Wildlife resources is hearing these stories over and over, wild animals venturing into residential areas. They're cold, hungry, and in this case, aggressive.
April Black, Provo: “I came down a very steep driveway and just as I got to the car, I was about to put my hand on the handle, and I saw what I thought was a german shepherd."
When she heard it scream and growl she knew it was something different entirely.
April: “I thought of that scream all night."
April Black had her run-in with the mountain lion at a friend's house in Lindon. The animal jumped up onto her car as she was about to drive away.
April: “I was very shaken and she could tell. And I called her and said, ‘Just be careful when you go out.’"
One explanation is that mountain lions are simply following their food source, deer and other animals, down into the areas where people live.
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “This time of year the deer are moving farther into town and so the mountain lions follow them."
In American Fork, Jolene Balantyne saw a mountain lion staring face to face with her cat.
Jolene Ballantyne, American Fork: “About two feet not including the tail, so it’s a younger one."
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “They do eat stray cats or any cats or dogs that are out."
People are encountering more mountain lions, but that may be because we are closer to their territory.
Joe Abbott: “I don't think it’s made a difference with mountain lions coming down. The difference is people are building further up on the hill so the deer are coming into the city more."
Several dead deer have been found in backyards in both Lindon and American Fork. Wildlife resources says they are keeping track of the that and other cougar sightings.
The Department of Wildlife Resources says to prevent conflicts with cougars:
Do not feed deer or raccoons.
Don't leave pet food out and keep pets inside at night.
Close barns and sheds.
Don't allow children to play alone in foothill locations, especially at dawn and dusk.
If you observe threatening cougar behavior, contact Wildlife Resources. [/color]Just cause I did not want y'all to think that I am paranoid about MT LIONS LOL
I never intended to argue with you either but I am quite tired of saying that my 9 with my ammunition was sufficient for me and that the Bears where we go are not as large as the ones in Alaska. Then I agreed that if that was my main intent Bears that I would carry a larger gun say even a 44 mag but I owned the gun before I started going to Montana and for 2 weeks with what I have seen not worth the expense added weight and such at this time. Other wise MT Lions and maybe the occasional wolf sound Lynx Bobcat or what ever along those lines as well as the ted Bundy types is why I carry mine and it will work great 50 weeks out of the year and I guess for the 2 that I am in Montana I will just have to feel less than adequate
Cougar Found in Sandy Garage
May 5th, 2004 @ 5:39pm
(KSL News) -- A cougar got into a Sandy garage this evening. Getting it out of the garage wasn't easy.
[color=darkred]The homeowner heard a sound in the garage and discovered a large mountain lion. She slammed the door, locking the cougar inside.
Division of wildlife resources officers had to enter the garage through the house.
An officer fired a tranquilizer dart at the big cat and got it out of the
(Also at Ksl News)
A Provo woman, walking out to her car alone, comes face to face with a mountain lion. The woman was leaving a friend's home when the animal jumped up onto her car.
Wildlife resources is hearing these stories over and over, wild animals venturing into residential areas. They're cold, hungry, and in this case, aggressive.
April Black, Provo: “I came down a very steep driveway and just as I got to the car, I was about to put my hand on the handle, and I saw what I thought was a German shepherd."
When she heard it scream and growl she knew it was something different entirely.
April: “I thought of that scream all night."
April Black had her run-in with the mountain lion at a friend's house in Lindon. The animal jumped up onto her car as she was about to drive away.
April: “I was very shaken and she could tell. And I called her and said, ‘Just be careful when you go out.’"
One explanation is that mountain lions are simply following their food source, deer and other animals, down into the areas where people live.
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “This time of year the deer are moving farther into town and so the mountain lions follow them."
In American Fork, Jolene Balantyne saw a mountain lion staring face to face with her cat.
Jolene Ballantyne, American Fork: “About two feet not including the tail, so it’s a younger one."
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “They do eat stray cats or any cats or dogs that are out."
People are encountering more mountain lions, but that may be because we are closer to their territory.
Joe Abbott: “I don't think it’s made a difference with mountain lions coming down. The difference is people are building further up on the hill so the deer are coming into the city more."
Several dead deer have been found in backyards in both Lindon and American Fork. Wildlife resources says they are keeping track of the that and other cougar sightings.
The Department of Wildlife Resources says to prevent conflicts with cougars:
Do not feed deer or raccoons.
Don't leave pet food out and keep pets inside at night.
Close barns and sheds.
Don't allow children to play alone in foothill locations, especially at dawn and dusk.
If you observe threatening cougar behavior, contact Wildlife Resources.
A Provo woman, walking out to her car alone, comes face to face with a mountain lion. The woman was leaving a friend's home when the animal jumped up onto her car.
Wildlife resources is hearing these stories over and over, wild animals venturing into residential areas. They're cold, hungry, and in this case, aggressive.
April Black, Provo: “I came down a very steep driveway and just as I got to the car, I was about to put my hand on the handle, and I saw what I thought was a german shepherd."
When she heard it scream and growl she knew it was something different entirely.
April: “I thought of that scream all night."
April Black had her run-in with the mountain lion at a friend's house in Lindon. The animal jumped up onto her car as she was about to drive away.
April: “I was very shaken and she could tell. And I called her and said, ‘Just be careful when you go out.’"
One explanation is that mountain lions are simply following their food source, deer and other animals, down into the areas where people live.
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “This time of year the deer are moving farther into town and so the mountain lions follow them."
In American Fork, Jolene Balantyne saw a mountain lion staring face to face with her cat.
Jolene Ballantyne, American Fork: “About two feet not including the tail, so it’s a younger one."
Joe Abbott, Conservation Officer: “They do eat stray cats or any cats or dogs that are out."
People are encountering more mountain lions, but that may be because we are closer to their territory.
Joe Abbott: “I don't think it’s made a difference with mountain lions coming down. The difference is people are building further up on the hill so the deer are coming into the city more."
Several dead deer have been found in backyards in both Lindon and American Fork. Wildlife resources says they are keeping track of the that and other cougar sightings.
The Department of Wildlife Resources says to prevent conflicts with cougars:
Do not feed deer or raccoons.
Don't leave pet food out and keep pets inside at night.
Close barns and sheds.
Don't allow children to play alone in foothill locations, especially at dawn and dusk.
If you observe threatening cougar behavior, contact Wildlife Resources. [/color]Just cause I did not want y'all to think that I am paranoid about MT LIONS LOL
love 420 gold and anything outdoors!
having a quick scan through this and i cant agree with some points, if everyone had a gun then i dont think gun crime would go down at all! just cos bad guys would know that other people are armed wouldnt stop them
if anything people that wouldnt normally have a gun but are angry people would have the chance to shoot someone. instead of a fight in a pub, bang that person gets shot.
if anything people that wouldnt normally have a gun but are angry people would have the chance to shoot someone. instead of a fight in a pub, bang that person gets shot.
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you re coming out "Without A Paddle"
