Personal weapons

[AzLaker]

Lemming wrote:

I’m not telling you how to do things over there. My only complaint was that you were using my country as an example of where guns are relatively rare and the streets are covered in bullet-ridden bodies. Common sense and statistics simply don’t bare that out.

I never said there was bullet ridden bodies in the streets because of gun crime....I said violent crime has risen in the UK because of tighter gun control...bad guys know the local citizens can't have a weapon of their choice, so they prey on the helpless. I'm sorry I pointed out the UK, but I first wrote about my Country and the district of Washington DC, having the strictest gun control and the highest amount of crime, weather the criminals use a gun, a screwdriver, or baseball bat. Then I also mentioned New York and Calif. Unfortunately the UK is just the latest Country to lose their gun rights and statistics do show that crime has went up.

Lemming you have your own view on guns and I have mine....as I see through these dicussions....but as you said, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for the Vapo bag, back to you.

I can see this is a touchy subject for you....this is the most I've seen you on the forum in a long time.

AzLaker

[pan4gold49]

Hi yall!

I don't out in the woods to kill bears or anything. My main reason to be out in the woods is to look for gold, gems and minerals. How many of you have been to a place that the nearest human may 20 to 50 miles away. I doubt that many of you have the skills that I have. Where I go the air is clean and sweet with the smell of pine.

Pan

[pan4gold49]

Hi yall!

What's the closest you have ben to a live bear in the wild. Well I almost bumped into one. It was early june the third year working this mining claim in Montana. I have been a gold prospector all of my life. Any way back to the story the mountains there are rugged plus there a lot of old debris we call them tailing piles.

Early one morning has to wait till 9am when the sun was on the claim. So I got every thing ready to two 5 gal buckets filled with picks, shovel, rock hammer and small gold pans. Walked down from the camp acrossed the creek at a bridge we built. Any had to cross the tailings piles these are made up of rocks cast away by earlier miners. To cross this you have to look down at the ground to get your footing.

Well I crossed this pile and still looking down I got to a small meadow. About that time I looked up all I could see is this enormace Brown furry butt. This thing was chest high on me then I thought to get out my gun. Damm then it hit me I forgot the damm thing back in camp. So here I was so close to bear I could touch it. Its very amazing to me despite the fact you never panic well I did a very good at the panic shit!!!!

Well I screamed "Holy shit a fucking bear" and turned to run most people in this situation drop everything in there hand and run. Not me I ran through the woods carrying everything and yelling "bear" at the top my lungs. My god I can imagine what the bear must have thought, we watched it run over the ridge to the next valley. The next day went back to the claim and found bear shit strewn all over on the trail to the claim.
Pan

[711]

Well reading through this it looks like both sides are making some really incorrect assumptions.

The anti-gunners seem to think that the pro-gunners are trying to get a gun in the hand of every person walking down the street. NOBODY wants this. What the pro-gunners are saying is that responsible individuals should have the right to protect themselves, and make aware to the public (including the criminal population) that they are capable of protecting themselves. Putting an NRA sticker on your front door might be every bit as effective at preventing crimes directed at you as wearing a police uniform. It's nature, you see this sort of thing everywhere in the wild, no animal attacks the strongest of the herd.

Now the pro-gunners seem to think that the anti-gunners want to outlaw guns altogether and allow nobody to have them. Nobody wants this either, because whether or not they are ALLOWED, guns still exist, and will find their way into the hands of criminals and mobsters, and we want our police to be able to fight back. What the anti-gunners are saying isn't that we need to get rid of EVERY gun, because anyone with a brain knows that won't happen any time this century, there's simple too many firearms in the world. They're simply saying that we need to seriously get a better grip on who has a gun, because violent crime rates are raising all over.

Now I'm not going to say that either side is wrong, we DO need stricter gun control so guns don't get into the hands of criminals, but we also DO need guns out there to protect us from those who shouldn't have the guns, but do. Simply saying "there should be no guns in the world whatsoever" is wishful thinking, and such a thing simply won't happen in any of our lifetimes, guns have been around for centuries. There's something like 1 gun for every 6 people on the planet, so maybe we don't need to focus on getting rid of them, but rather getting control of them.

[Alaskan Biker]

I hope no one misinterpreted any of my meanings since I have been up all weekend and smoking like a madman trying and not succeeding in getting some sleep and am not expressing myself as well as usual.

Anyway just my opinions on guns ON this Continent I know things are much different over in Europe and just trying to spread a little awareness of how different it is over here because most Americans who do not travel have no idea how different thier own country is from one end to the other.
One of many of our biggest problems with our Federal Gov in Washington besides not really caring is that they are always trying to pass a one size fits all law concerning nearly every subject not just guns and that kind of thinking just does not work most times in a land so large and diverse and the needs of it's people change every hundred miles.

So don't anyone think I am advocating gun ownership or gun control in Europe I don't live there and it's not any of my business.

I do however advocate World Wide Legalization of Cannabis

[strangename]

Personally I don't think that it makes a jot of difference if a society has strict or loose gun control it simply comes down to the mindset of the people who inhabit that society. If the society is particularly violent then killing of others within that society will be more likely than in a society which is more peaceable.

The reason why the UK crime rates have soared (with the use of firearms) is down to (and here we go no I am not a racist but) the increasing numbers of foreign criminal gangs who are relocating to a more affable society to ply their trade(?) whos attitude to life is very much different to that of the indigenous population.

We have our violent criminals like all societies but in general they are in the minority. Life is portrayed all to often as one where there are no consequences and unfortunately the younger generation are so pampered that consequences of actions are only ever punished after something serious happens. The removal of such things as corporal punishment in the education system has led the youth of today to think that they can litterally get away with murder...hence my reasoning for not allowing the majority to have another leathal weapon they can use/abuse.

As for the notion that we have guns to keep our government in check is so absurd. If the "majority" of a nation wants to defeat a government they can and will through other means rather than from seeing who is the fastest draw. Again that comes down to a societies attitudes and what that society will or will not tollerate.

There is no right and wrong answer to the gun question and comparing 2, 3, 4 or more societies and saying this would happen or that would happen is like comparing chalk to cheese.

I just wish that human beings would just get along...but then that's just plain stupid...isn't it?

[Alaskan Biker]

Just cause I did not want y'all to think that I am paranoid about MT LIONS [/color]LOL

You rarely ever see a mountain lion living farther north than B.C. or the Panhandle area of Alaska but reading your post reminded me of a few years back in the newspaper when they had them showing up once in awhile around one of the public schools down that way not sure it might of been in Ketchikan.

[DC]

"I just wish that human beings would just get along...but then that's just plain stupid...isn't it?"

Yep.

I actually like the notion of having guns to keep the government in check, but only because the governments of the world are so corrupted and fukt up it doesn't seem too fictional of a future concept to me.

As for gun crime in the UK, it was always going up. Peace in Northern Ireland meant the gun trade switched directions and the eastern block countries found their weapons didn't have to travel as far anymore...chiching! Price reduction. PC plod in the UK with his 'stick' was always gonna make somebodies crosshairs sooner or later.

Cannabis and guns, in an ideal world we wouldn't need either....yeah, EITHER. But the world is far from ideal, so in the meantime....mines a fat blunt and a Barret light 50....just incase I come across a bear, or government official...or sumfin.

[philly-Rich]

Hey,I'm no crazy revolutioary or anything ,but I'm just saying you never know.I would rather have a gun and never have to use it,than need a gun and not have it.I'm a peaceful guy I just want to know that I can protect my family no matter what happens.I have to agree with Benjamin Franklin who said "Never trust a government that doesn't trust it's own citizens with guns"As far more laws or controls on guns,there are all ready thousands of laws.They are criminals they don't care about the law.And the last and most important thing to remember is that I'm some stoned dude in front of his computer,what the hell do I know

[ga]

i searched this animal in the net and i found it s not in danger of to be extint and there re a lot of it in brazile and argentina then inthe north america
in any way its protect from federal law how the bear i think

don t shot at animals Brigitte Bardot are looking at you!



http://www.nationalgeographic.com/desti ... onal_Park/

[pansTX420]

It is Illegal to hunt one with out a tag and a licence but it is not illegal to protect yourself, although I agree that shooting the animal ought to be the last resort. I still think that it is better to kill the animal than be killed by the animal.

pass the bag

[ga]

you re right
but i hope there re others ways im thinking about put animals to sleep and move they in the reserved area

i hope in usa some different cause where i live there re no animals since 60 years and i live in a park

fortunatly i looked some red deers and similar in others zone of my country but also them the tourism and the systems from ski killed nearly all and its quite impossible to look to a wolf or a little bear wild in central and north italy

inany way this topic let me dream about one forgotten style of life

[pan4gold49]

North America alot for Parks and recreation areas and can hunt and fish here. O no I said that word FISH its ice fishing season and we know where to some nice 2-3 lb rainbows and brown trout. Yum!!!!
Have ice hut will travel

[Kaiser Saucy]

so the solution is for everyone to wander round with a pistol? almost 30.000 gun related deaths in the U.S. per year and around 200.000 non fatal injuries tell a different story.

[pansTX420]

no not everyone just people who know how to use it with the intelegence. How much better off would the world be if the first women that ted bunddy killed had a gun or any of the other killers out there.

Also as weird as it is they make you be a wild life offical to carry a trank gun or a vet.