First strain for a newbie

[floofenburger]

My husband has never smoked before and I'd like to get him high for the first time. I was thinking Tangerine Dream as Leafly has no reports of paranoia out of the reviews (he's kind of high strung and needs to be in control all the time).

I don't want to go with an Indica because he'll just say "i'm tired, i feel stupid" and not want to try weed ever again. I'm thinking of a Sativa leaning hybrid, which is why Tangerine Dream was what I selected. Any other suggestions?

[floofenburger]

So apparently i'm taking a bottle of black peppercorns along as that apparently cures cannabis anxiety when you smell it. Surprisingly, it's not just a placebo. It contains the terpenes Pinene and Caryophyllene which apparently react with the weed to negate the paranoid effect. If my husband gets paranoid, i'll just shove the pepper in his face an see what happens.

[Adamster]

Tangerine dream is high in thc n low in Cbn .. The low Cbn could lead to whitey or paranoia !
I'd start with some old school strains with low thc n work up !
Blueberry would be a good starter !
Bubble gum or some Jamaican low grade or some weak hashes !

[floofenburger]

Tangerine dream is high in thc n low in Cbn .. The low Cbn could lead to whitey or paranoia !

Thanks for the reply! I've heard that and generally accepted it as true, but after browsing strains on Leafly and looking at the effects per strain, I find there are many Indicas that lead to paranoid effects (Afghani, for example, at about 30% of people experiencing it). This leads me to believe that it's more about the terpene profile. Even with myself, I find that Diesels (at least the two I've tried, Sour and NYC) make me paranoid, while piney or woody Sativas (high in Pinine and Caryophyllene) do not. It makes more sense when you consider this article:

http://www.zamnesia.com/blog-does-black ... xiety-n393

Normally, i'd agree with you that a high THC:CBD ratio would be a risk, however out of 201 reviews on Leafly, paranoia doesn't make the list of side effects of Tangerine Dream with anxiety just a blip on the side effects. (and this is after a *lot* of searching through strains for that) If it smells like it should (citrus, orange, sweet), the terpenes should be similar and it should be good.

Considering i'm going to be getting it from Barneys, which created the strain, I figure the likelihood of that is good, different batches notwithstanding. Also, two of it's parents are Indicas. I was unable to find a specific THC:CBD ratio or terpene profile or the strain as Leafly doesn't have it for every single strain, but it is a Hybrid.

What do you think? Go slow and give it a go? I know it's a risk, but so is an Indica with which he'll feel slow and judge all weed through that lens. Has anybody tried Barney's Tangerine Dream recently and can give some input?

[floofenburger]

Oh. BTW. Any idea where I can find some of that low grade Jamaican you mentioned? I've been looking for that.

[Adamster]

I don't really know where these days they sell it but you can have a look at the menu site
http://www.coffeeshopmenus.org

You ever been to amaterdam ? Hope you know barney is all a big hype overrated shop !
And the bud ain't always porn looking bud n can be weak tasteless stuff they have ...
I've smoke their tangerine dream on last 3 trips always my first smoke I'm not a sativa person n find it to give me abit of a nerve spazism and want get moving witch I personally don't like the first joint but one of the best tasting iv had !!

[OneHighMofo]

Please don't accept the 'facts' on Leafly as anything other than highly subjective anecdotes.
The symphony of active molecules (over 100) cannabanoids and terpenes in Cannabis, coupled with every individuals distinctly different rate of metabolism and distribution of cannabanoid receptors means that what one individual experiences as 'Indica' someone else may perceive as 'Sativa'.

That's before we even start discussing the fact that strains are often labelled wrongly in coffeeshops / dispensaries / dealers stash boxes.

When you also take into account the absolute fact that there are huge number of variables in any given cannabis grow (e.g. the specific details of media/light/environment/point of harvest) and these variables definitely have wide reaching effects on the 'qualities' (confusing vs clear headed - loosely) of the final product… In short - the 'facts' on Leafly (and any other internet database of strains effects/tastes) are so subjective that it's 99.999999% nonsense when trying to use the data to make an objective and informed decision. Sorry Leafly - it's a lovely idea and a laudable aim - but in reality the 'facts' surrounding an individual experience are far more complicated than 'Indica or Sativa'.

The advice from Adamster is spot on - start with some old school Jamaican or lower grade moroccan 'polms' and move up through the strengths. Find a good coffeeshop where the staff are friendly and willing to help - my advice would be 1e hulp.

Start slow, definitely take those pepper corns
Have fun and best of luck

[floofenburger]

Yes, I've been to Barney's before. I was not impressed either. It's just the only place i know that definately has the steain. Anyway, I'll take a look and if I feel it's shit, I'll get a hybrid somewhere else or go with your Jamaican recommendation. Any idea where I can find some? Outdoor/import is fine. In any case, I'm gonna "test" it first.

[floofenburger]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the merits of leafly OneHighMofo. If all strains were equally random, so should be the effect reports. I agree with you, however, that much of what's sold in the dam is often mislabeled (especially with the dam's back door system) and growing conditions can drastically affect a strain. Different batches tested on testing sites can tell you that, even Leafly will.

But I will take your advice unless I'm *really* sure about a strain. I heading to Katsu on my first day with my Husband. I'll see what the budtender there recommends. Any idea where I can find outdoor Jamaican / import?

[Babbalonian]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the merits of leafly OneHighMofo. If all strains were equally random, so should be the effect reports. I agree with you, however, that much of what's sold in the dam is often mislabeled (especially with the dam's back door system) and growing conditions can drastically affect a strain. Different batches tested on testing sites can tell you that, even Leafly will.

But I will take your advice unless I'm *really* sure about a strain. I heading to Katsu on my first day with my Husband. I'll see what the budtender there recommends. Any idea where I can find outdoor Jamaican / import?

I rarely smoke sativa strains and found the Amnesia Haze to be a nice high in Katsu. The Mango Haze was better - but a lot stronger.

And if he's willing to try an indica. Try the L.A Kush in Hunters. It didn't seem very strong to me at first but produced a nice contented relaxed stone for hours.

Happy toking!!

[Adamster]

If you check the rookies menu they had Jamaican for 5.50€
You could try jack herer ain't too strong
Blueberry from either noon's or yellow mellow (very mellow berry n cheap around 8€a gram 25€ 4 grams ) I find it to be good for hashe mix (since I don't smoke tobacco)

[Adamster]

At katsu from last menu bio haze 10€ 1.6g organic maybe the best first smoke from there !
And the super Jamaican 2g 10€ !!
If your into getting really high you must try the strawberry kush .8 10€ !!

[madmaxxx]

it doesnt matter what the weed is,just take it slowly.a couple of puff,wait a few mins,have another couple of puff,just dont let him do a full joint at once,till he used to it.by the evening he will be used to the effects

[Smith2]

I agree that the actual weed is less important than the ambience, and not being silly about smoking too fast. Katsu is good; Yo-Yo is another relaxed place, with outdoor strains for sale, I believe. Your husband will probably enjoy wandering about de Pijp and the market after a joint/pipe or two; if he doesn't, he's probably not the smoking type.

[floofenburger]

I agree that the actual weed is less important than the ambience, and not being silly about smoking too fast. Katsu is good; Yo-Yo is another relaxed place, with outdoor strains for sale, I believe. Your husband will probably enjoy wandering about de Pijp and the market after a joint/pipe or two; if he doesn't, he's probably not the smoking type.

We're gonna vape, but yeah, he will take it slow, and I'll avoid "creepers". Totally agree about set and setting. I have a good feel to where he'll be more comfortable. In restaurants, always sitting in the corner. I'm the same way. That way I don't feel somebody is watching me behind my back. Katsu seems to have several corners like that.

At katsu from last menu bio haze 10€ 1.6g organic maybe the best first smoke from there !
And the super Jamaican 2g 10€ !!
If your into getting really high you must try the strawberry kush .8 10€ !!

Thank you! All this is at Katsu?