Episode 4/20 - The Crispy Menace

[talkrum]

Superb report!

- by Mr Pengaldinho
When our ACD Royalty say this report is superb - they know their shit.
Thank you OHMF - you have raised the bar.
Hooked from start to finish - a few more photos would be nice...........

[OneHighMofo]

Superb report!

- by Mr Pengaldinho
When our ACD Royalty say this report is superb - they know their shit.
Thank you OHMF - you have raised the bar.
Hooked from start to finish - a few more photos would be nice...........

Why thank you very much kind sir - that's a lovely thing to say. Although I'll have to beg to differ - I think there are some stonking reports that I'll never even come close to - but I do very much appreciate the kind words. T'would be lovely to meet you both at next years festivities

[RvanSteensel]

Good to read Highrise is back at De Graal

[The pot Doctor]

Epic travelogue OHMF.

A really enjoyed meeting up with you guys over there had a fantastic time at 420. Plans already made for next year. Great to put faces to the names a really great bunch of lads. My first meet and it couldn't have went better. Thanks again lads..... TPD ..... (The Geordie)

[Jesscass]

Again you've done great work with this report, OneHighMofo, thanks so much! Seems you don't regret you decission going for this 420 event !

I’m thinking about procuring and donating a copy of Clark and Merlin’s - Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cannabis-Evolu ... 8&qid=&sr= to fuel said debate and further encourage the information to be disseminated amongst the public at large.

I’m no pedant (err I think - my brother may disagree) but It’s actually starting to irk me now that we (the community) use such incorrect terminology to describe the pshycological characteristics of our beautiful beloved seedless lady-friend. And although I firmly believe that the Cannabis College are doing GREAT work in educating the masses about Cannabis. I do think they should get with the latest thinking and start being proponents of education based on science rather than on hearsay, rhetoric and outdated information.
Accuracy can ONLY be a good thing for the community.

Accuracy? How come you know my middle name when we never met ? Well, am really slow and busy so can only comment now but remember a thread you started about that book I planned on commenting. Then the forum broke down and the thread got lost(Coffeeshops and Cannabis section, embarassingly no one responded as far as I remember ). As mentioned before so many people don't seem to have basic knowledge about their drug of choice. Refering to pharmacology, side-effects and safer use
(from experience from various circles must have to do with drug use being quite a square thing with all its rituals repeated over and over again in fact, static especially on long-term with daily consumption.). Personally always speaking up, no need for self-deception.
Yes, accuracy is essential when it comes to everything of this plant(personally do care about my health so a drug of choice should be treated as careful as food. Knowledge also helps enjoying it a bit more and maybe even prevents abuse to some extent even though you learn from those phases, too.).
This includes also a critical state of mind regarding risks, downsides and side-effects in my humble opinion. Helps enjoying this lovely plant I still enjoy after all those years .

That situation with the guy seemingly having mental issues at Cannabis College you indeed handled well! Interested in pyschiatrie and psychology myself to some point(though both overrated as always keep that in mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologism ).
Reminds me of that young guy and his mates(all in their early twenties)stepping into Tweede Kamer last year while I was havin a smoke and chatting to the budtender(older, bit chubby dutch guy working there since ages, not talking about his funny and friendly half-bald headed colleague by the way).
Young guy approaches budtender and comes up with 'I'm looking for something helping with my depression'. Budtender stated 'Then don't smoke!'. Guy clearly wasn't expecting that answer. For a moment he was
going to start a discussion but decided to left with his mates(think I backed up budtender's opinion a bit politely). Just for the record this guy was serious and so was the tender.
Hold such people in high regard and had to tell him this(Sense of responsibility! In recent times tenders seem to have to become psychologists or pychiatrists).
We discussed this a bit and had a laugh about that hypocrite 'medical marijuana' thing going on in the Usa(blaming them mostly).
See, I know those studies about Cannabis being linked to schizophrenia / psychosis and people prone to them. Not saying it's bullshit but this topic isn't as simple as some research groups might think. So many influences. For sure a good part of people being mentally ill use this drug amongst others for their self-medication(unconsciously or not isn't important here) which is documented and makes sense in the end.

Without doubt this drug definitely is helpful with for example Multiple Sklerosis, AIDS, cancer and others(mood lifting effects help too going through really rough times, aware of that). No magic cure though(like they try to tell you)!
Anyways, a few people might benefit from the consume like others with prescribed anti-depressants though but recommending it against anxiety, depression or other mental diseases is plain irresponsible according to current state of knowledge(see 'medical marijuana'). There are so many cannabinoids involved in opposite to often single agents with anti-depressants which work far more selective
(sure cannabinoids when not isolated have a synergie effect but with hundreds of them their roles are still far from being understood).

Again, 'medical marijuana' is the hypocrite way to get it legal in the Usa and even though not my idea of doing it only thing which matters in the end is that no one is going to prison anymore for such nonsense or has to suffer otherwise. Talking about clearly recreational users like e.g. Snoop Dogg having a medical marijuana card because of insomnia, such a poor boy ! Just a celebrity but it's quite common such practise I read.
On the other hand those types of people(recreational) also using 'medicated' instead of 'stoned'/'high' I'm a little to harsh with when really thinking about it as 'addiction' and 'dependance' are definitely diseases in my book and getting your cannabinoids of choice prevents sweating heavily at night or mood changes, lower appetite and all that (this all is called 'detoxing' when it comes to 'medical marijuana' it's
so good for your body and soul and has nothing to do with anything else as it's pure medicine!) .
(Note: personally have a violent aversion to people with fuck knows which black and white ideology denying it's a disease. Luckywise they tend to disappear these days. Needless to say don't look down on people with such problems handling drugs as just sad!).
Damn hypocrites but mostly I'd imagine they just go the easy way of believing what they're told as long as it's official. On the other hand can't stand hypocrites pretending the need for 'medication' but actually are just recreational users extracting from this status while others being ill suffer real hard.
All this marketing and jargon of this plant over there will cause problems when this plant should be completely legal one day.
This 'medical marijuana' thing propagates and promises things except from the mentioned above especially psychological problems(by the way both respect both academic medicine and alternative medicine)it just can't deliver.
If you're an experiencied user ambivalent or not you're able to handle effects way better than a newbie so you can even have a good time on cannabinoids even though you had a really shitty day. Probably the same with psychological issues. If this works on long term I doubt though judged by those daily longtime smokers(20years+)I know as they tend to be moody, testy people,
it's quite naive to think something which has influence on your mind respectively mood doesn't do anything on longterm with yourself. According to the current hype it can almost cure anything. As a matter of fact it fuels your imagination(big point) a lot and even might work then if autosuggestion is your thing but there are more healthy and safer ways like autogenic training. Could be exhausting though ans a spliff or what ever is way easier I know. Consumer society, anyone?

Strongly into independence in every aspect of life myself so to some degree quite sad seeing colleagues or a couple of acquitances respectively close mates using prescribed anti-depressants since years(not the same every time, they change every now and then for whatever reason)while still struggeling. Even those not in need of psychotherapy anymore since years haven't discontinued while almost all of their
doctors pretended it's just necessary as long as their problem is acute(I'd agree with that and see the need.). It remains a crutch. Sure, everyone has at least one but in latter case it's not necessary anymore and only feeds greedy pharmaceutical industry as long as you don't have to use them because of say inherent problems with your neural system. Well, of course live and let live and everyone can choose for hisself as long as no one else gets hurt. Pro drugs myself.
That's the point, 'be free'(could have mentioned that earlier I know but wanted to give a little background.
background). Roughly this 20years-something guy mentioned should try to handle it without permanent use of damn anti-depressants whether 'natural' or 'chemical'.
In opposite to that a more mature human being who has mostly lived his life can handle things probably better. Mostly it 'only' soothes the pain or whatever anyway than curing it but better using this than any more harmful medication.

In the end you can counterargument everything I wrote here with solid arguments though as we're human beings can be quite complicated and diverse.

Finally back to this thing with sativas and indicas: up for a new thread to discuss this shit. I'm afraid I've nothing more to add than I'm aware of this dilemma(know personally, met or read about those type growers always looking for this sort of 'up' high. To some degree they're indeed convinced they can create something with effects like classic stimulants around while forgetting about the hundreds of cannabinoids involved. Bit desperated. Maybe smoke less or question your consume.)
Tend to use 'up'and 'down'respectively 'high' and 'stoned' but also sativa and indica. From now on will try to prevent latter ones. Would like to see a double blind study with so called sativas and indicas as hybrids and their effect on probands.
Personally smoke on every occassion and can handle most situations, all about will and experience mostly in my humble opinion.
Nonetheless there are strains tending to have a certain effect.
If you're taking the discussion elsewhere(sorry for hijacking here)why not? Would be interesting to read others thoughts on it.

[spidergawd]

Without doubt this drug definitely is helpful with for example Multiple Sklerosis, AIDS, cancer and others(mood lifting effects help too going through really rough times, aware of that). No magic cure though(like they try to tell you)!

Got to agree with you on that jess.