Banning People
well, everyone else is having there input on this, so i figured i may aswell too, sorry if something doesnt add up or i just repeat what someone else has said but i mean come on this is the first time ive seen this topic and you people are postin alot, so im just skimming 
i agree with alot of what lemming is saying, fair enough he cant have an ignore feature but do people really need a computer to ignore something for them????
i can understand why twitch is annoyed about the pictures of him 100%, but now he cant go in the arguement clinic and TK and philostein cant post out of it that should sort itself out. i have had TK ( as his other personality too the truth) try to bait me, i laughed it off and he went off me simple as no more problems from him.
this philostein, to be honest he came on posted about some book and instantly started gettin called TK or ' troll' ( sorry i know we shouldnt use that word here lemmin but just makin a point not callin anyone it) only then did he start to make posts about other people. maybe were creating the ' trolls' people come on get called something then think ' fuck it why not'
if you dont like it stay out of the arguement clinic, it is one sub forum of this entire awesome forum. people say they ' are only here for amsterdam not arguements bla bla bla' there are many other sub forums about all aspects of amsterdam just go into these and enjoy the forum for what you came in here for.
umm, yeah i think thats about it.
i agree with alot of what lemming is saying, fair enough he cant have an ignore feature but do people really need a computer to ignore something for them????
i can understand why twitch is annoyed about the pictures of him 100%, but now he cant go in the arguement clinic and TK and philostein cant post out of it that should sort itself out. i have had TK ( as his other personality too the truth) try to bait me, i laughed it off and he went off me simple as no more problems from him.
this philostein, to be honest he came on posted about some book and instantly started gettin called TK or ' troll' ( sorry i know we shouldnt use that word here lemmin but just makin a point not callin anyone it) only then did he start to make posts about other people. maybe were creating the ' trolls' people come on get called something then think ' fuck it why not'
if you dont like it stay out of the arguement clinic, it is one sub forum of this entire awesome forum. people say they ' are only here for amsterdam not arguements bla bla bla' there are many other sub forums about all aspects of amsterdam just go into these and enjoy the forum for what you came in here for.
umm, yeah i think thats about it.
The problem as I see it, is that the Argument Clinic and several frequent members of it are creating a lot of hostility in the forum. Wether or not it's any of these people's fault, bluelaru, drgonzo, twitch, tommyg, philo, TK, and several others are all letting their hositility towards each other spill out into the rest of the forum, and it's really detracting from the experience, it's a real buzzkill to see people at each other's necks all the time. Six months ago or so, you'd get an apology if someone accidentally insinuated that they know a little more about a topic than you do. Now you get flamed just for using someone's name at the wrong part of your post. I've never been to the Argument Clinic (with the exception of during maybe the first week or so when it wasn't so bad in there), nor have I taken part in any of these flame wars, choosing to simply ignore people's meaningless insults (we're on the world wide web for crying out loud, insults from anonymous strangers mean nothing) but this hostility is certainly affecting my view of these boards as a whole.
Maybe Redeye said it best a couple pages back.
I'm sure some of the people mentioned in this post want to dispute some of the things I've said, but really, don't bother, I'm not going to be drawn into any pointless arguments about it.
Maybe Redeye said it best a couple pages back.
All the hostility certainly is a problem, and I'm honestly quite astonished that it's been ignored for so long. One could argue that is was the GOAL of certain members of the forum for this to happen, for this community to turn into just another online cesspool, and we're certainly on our way there, unless something's done about it. I'm all for the protection of free speech, but I'm also against those who abuse that right by coming here just to harass others, and I feel they need to be dealt with in a manner reflective of their actions.Redeye wrote:People used to say they came here because this place was different, its been a while since I heard that.
I'm sure some of the people mentioned in this post want to dispute some of the things I've said, but really, don't bother, I'm not going to be drawn into any pointless arguments about it.
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I have chosen to stay out of this but feel having been a user of the forum for a while I opted to have my say... I'm unsure of the response it will provoke from everybody but as it's been proved; you can pretty much say what you like now... those that support me - support me; those that don't -don't... so,
I came to the forum for information on Amsterdam, in doing so I made contact with like-minded stoners who also wanted to find out as much as they could about weed and Amsterdam in preparations for an up and coming trip to 'Dam.
The people I met here felt the same way and were generous in the sharing of as much useful information as possible - thus enhancing the trip to optimise my enjoyment.
Sorry if this drags but The time has come for me to say just what I feel and this is the best time, place and opportunity to do so.
When ACD went offline in August 2006 I had built up a database of e-mail addresses of regular, helpful polite members that I had spent time conversing with on-line. I made a couple of attempts to set up a forum of sorts to use as a place for the community to communicate... this was as a temporary measure as ACD was scheduled and planned to be back on-line ASAP.
I ended up opting to set up VDF - Virtual 'Dam Forum (and if you class that as spam, please edit and remove it) and invited those that I had contact details for to join the community. The member-list was made up of genuine people that had a common interest and a forum etiquette which so far has been hard to find on most other forums. However, it has been proved by many that have visited that this is NOT what they want from a forum... each to their own, it's all about choices.
ACD returned after a month or so of being offline and the question came up about VDF's future... I asked the group and the general opinion was that it continue...
Lemming; I respect what you have created here and on the main site. I did not know until reading your starting post how,and why the forum was created. Having been an active Site Admin for almost 8 months I know what is involved... I understand the position you are in and respect your choice in actions.
However, I do strongly disagree with how you run the ACD forum but do also strongly I agree with some of your philosophies.
From my paragraphs above I think everybody can work out the differences we have in the manner in which we moderate and administer our forums. This is simply based on our differing characters.
In the past I have made the mistake of passing negative comment on your forum which was based upon the parts of it that I was unhappy with. This was wrong of me... it's not for me to tell you how to run it here... not if you did not ask me how I wanted it run...
The two forums (VDF & ACD) share some members... ACD has members that VDF doesn't, and vice~versa.
What I will point out now, and the reason behind my post, is that because I have not made response to the argument clinic for some time, I have just seen a post mentioning my user name. I do read the argument clinic for no other reason than to keep an eye on what is being posted and about who. I do this because your method of running a forum AND my previous indulgence in the argument clinic has left me open for public abuse.
I have images of me on various on-line host sites but I have set my images to private and only those that I invite to view them or those that have been given the relevant URLs to the host sites have access to them. My permission to post an original or an edited copy of my picture has not been given to any member either here or on VDF. So, Should an image be posted of me that has not been posted BY me, would you take the required administration steps and remove the image immediately, regardless of if the image is the original or an edited version.
Having said all of that, I now get the pleasure I used to get from reading and posting on both forums and will continue to do so accordingly... That same anger I used to feel when seeing/reading posts against me is felt by the poster when I ignore them; but worse. To ignore somebody is the most absolute insult there is and extremely fulfilling and satisfying to excersise... I only need to reply where and when I see chose, arguing on-line, simply not worth it... although I had to say all of this, it took took long.
Peace
I came to the forum for information on Amsterdam, in doing so I made contact with like-minded stoners who also wanted to find out as much as they could about weed and Amsterdam in preparations for an up and coming trip to 'Dam.
The people I met here felt the same way and were generous in the sharing of as much useful information as possible - thus enhancing the trip to optimise my enjoyment.
Sorry if this drags but The time has come for me to say just what I feel and this is the best time, place and opportunity to do so.
When ACD went offline in August 2006 I had built up a database of e-mail addresses of regular, helpful polite members that I had spent time conversing with on-line. I made a couple of attempts to set up a forum of sorts to use as a place for the community to communicate... this was as a temporary measure as ACD was scheduled and planned to be back on-line ASAP.
I ended up opting to set up VDF - Virtual 'Dam Forum (and if you class that as spam, please edit and remove it) and invited those that I had contact details for to join the community. The member-list was made up of genuine people that had a common interest and a forum etiquette which so far has been hard to find on most other forums. However, it has been proved by many that have visited that this is NOT what they want from a forum... each to their own, it's all about choices.
ACD returned after a month or so of being offline and the question came up about VDF's future... I asked the group and the general opinion was that it continue...
Lemming; I respect what you have created here and on the main site. I did not know until reading your starting post how,and why the forum was created. Having been an active Site Admin for almost 8 months I know what is involved... I understand the position you are in and respect your choice in actions.
However, I do strongly disagree with how you run the ACD forum but do also strongly I agree with some of your philosophies.
From my paragraphs above I think everybody can work out the differences we have in the manner in which we moderate and administer our forums. This is simply based on our differing characters.
In the past I have made the mistake of passing negative comment on your forum which was based upon the parts of it that I was unhappy with. This was wrong of me... it's not for me to tell you how to run it here... not if you did not ask me how I wanted it run...
The two forums (VDF & ACD) share some members... ACD has members that VDF doesn't, and vice~versa.
What I will point out now, and the reason behind my post, is that because I have not made response to the argument clinic for some time, I have just seen a post mentioning my user name. I do read the argument clinic for no other reason than to keep an eye on what is being posted and about who. I do this because your method of running a forum AND my previous indulgence in the argument clinic has left me open for public abuse.
I have images of me on various on-line host sites but I have set my images to private and only those that I invite to view them or those that have been given the relevant URLs to the host sites have access to them. My permission to post an original or an edited copy of my picture has not been given to any member either here or on VDF. So, Should an image be posted of me that has not been posted BY me, would you take the required administration steps and remove the image immediately, regardless of if the image is the original or an edited version.
Having said all of that, I now get the pleasure I used to get from reading and posting on both forums and will continue to do so accordingly... That same anger I used to feel when seeing/reading posts against me is felt by the poster when I ignore them; but worse. To ignore somebody is the most absolute insult there is and extremely fulfilling and satisfying to excersise... I only need to reply where and when I see chose, arguing on-line, simply not worth it... although I had to say all of this, it took took long.
Peace
"I laughed so hard I nearly had a whitey"
Carla 4/21/2009
Carla 4/21/2009
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My name has come up, so I feel the need to reply…
For the record:
I did not partake in the discussions in the argument clinic, and do not do so now that prompted this thread (i.e. the original picture posting threads and what lead up to them).
I did not post directly to the users who are of most debate in this thread and has as such not “provoked” them in any fashion.
I only addressed a particular user when he felt the need to attack me personally and label me as a hypocrite, to which I replied (BTW: I was not fast enough to read anything posted in this thread as an answer to that post and understand Lemming has deleted some posts in here. So if anything constructive was directed at me that anybody feels deserves my attention, please post this elsewhere, with lemmings blessing of course since I do not know his reasons for deleting the posts).
I merely advocate that posts that serve no other purpose than degradation and insult must be dealt with in order to preserve the forums original purpose. I have not suggested a specific action to take; this might be anything from a gentle warning from a moderator or the admin to an all out ban, at the discretion of the admin…
Concerning the posting of pictures without the owner of the pictures consent, or indeed the person/persons appearing in the picture:
Although I am not clear on the specific legality of this (I might look into it since I might be in the same situation) there are clear legal issues if the picture is used in conjunction with debasement of character and so forth. Furthermore it is clearly illegal to use a picture in any and all commercially related activities. These, among other things, include the printing and selling of t-shirts (it might even apply if the printer does not make a profit, but uses the production facilities of a commercial establishment that does). Even the expressed intent to do so could be the basis of a legal ban to do so, if the case is handled correctly at the expense of those the ban is against, and legal expenses tend to be a bitch, so I would be a bit careful concerning property rights, there are a lot of good lawyers out there who exclusively make a living pursuing these cases, although it might be a bit of a challenge to actually make them interested in the issue at hand…
SBX_DK
Oh, and, again, for the record: I do NOT give my consent to the use of any of the pictures I post on this or other forums of others for any other purposes than viewing, nor will I allow that any of these or anything else that may be considered my property to used in a commercial context without my explicit consent, just to get that out of the way…
For the record:
I did not partake in the discussions in the argument clinic, and do not do so now that prompted this thread (i.e. the original picture posting threads and what lead up to them).
I did not post directly to the users who are of most debate in this thread and has as such not “provoked” them in any fashion.
I only addressed a particular user when he felt the need to attack me personally and label me as a hypocrite, to which I replied (BTW: I was not fast enough to read anything posted in this thread as an answer to that post and understand Lemming has deleted some posts in here. So if anything constructive was directed at me that anybody feels deserves my attention, please post this elsewhere, with lemmings blessing of course since I do not know his reasons for deleting the posts).
I merely advocate that posts that serve no other purpose than degradation and insult must be dealt with in order to preserve the forums original purpose. I have not suggested a specific action to take; this might be anything from a gentle warning from a moderator or the admin to an all out ban, at the discretion of the admin…
Concerning the posting of pictures without the owner of the pictures consent, or indeed the person/persons appearing in the picture:
Although I am not clear on the specific legality of this (I might look into it since I might be in the same situation) there are clear legal issues if the picture is used in conjunction with debasement of character and so forth. Furthermore it is clearly illegal to use a picture in any and all commercially related activities. These, among other things, include the printing and selling of t-shirts (it might even apply if the printer does not make a profit, but uses the production facilities of a commercial establishment that does). Even the expressed intent to do so could be the basis of a legal ban to do so, if the case is handled correctly at the expense of those the ban is against, and legal expenses tend to be a bitch, so I would be a bit careful concerning property rights, there are a lot of good lawyers out there who exclusively make a living pursuing these cases, although it might be a bit of a challenge to actually make them interested in the issue at hand…
SBX_DK
Oh, and, again, for the record: I do NOT give my consent to the use of any of the pictures I post on this or other forums of others for any other purposes than viewing, nor will I allow that any of these or anything else that may be considered my property to used in a commercial context without my explicit consent, just to get that out of the way…
Who is John Galt?
ha ha I really had 2 laugh at that last post by sonderbonk dk (sorry can`t spell at all its early here)
U think a lawyers really gonna take on this case
4 ur information we`re funding the T shirts our selves and the T shirts aren`t even 4 sale we`re givin em away 2 any1 that wants 1.
So my friend I think you`ll find out that we aren`t breakin any laws.
Any1 thats interested in a free T shirt pm me, i`ll show u the prototypes (theyre not finished yet) all u gotta pay 4 is postage and packaging.
U think a lawyers really gonna take on this case
4 ur information we`re funding the T shirts our selves and the T shirts aren`t even 4 sale we`re givin em away 2 any1 that wants 1.
So my friend I think you`ll find out that we aren`t breakin any laws.
Any1 thats interested in a free T shirt pm me, i`ll show u the prototypes (theyre not finished yet) all u gotta pay 4 is postage and packaging.
Tommy,
The internet is a real wishy washy place for property and image rights..... but the moment you print an image on a piece of paper or fabric you're in a whole legal minefield regarding permission.
Any Lawyer that can see a payday will take a case.... doesn't matter how ridiculous it seems to you or I.
You're crazy if you think that either Phil or Tony....
will be at 4/20 with these people..... it's just not going to happen. And if it does, I imagine a whole heap of humble pie being eaten, certainly no Twitch T-Shirts will be worn by them.... and if you wear one you'll just be becoming their patsy.
The internet is a real wishy washy place for property and image rights..... but the moment you print an image on a piece of paper or fabric you're in a whole legal minefield regarding permission.
Any Lawyer that can see a payday will take a case.... doesn't matter how ridiculous it seems to you or I.
You're crazy if you think that either Phil or Tony....
will be at 4/20 with these people..... it's just not going to happen. And if it does, I imagine a whole heap of humble pie being eaten, certainly no Twitch T-Shirts will be worn by them.... and if you wear one you'll just be becoming their patsy.When the going gets weird, the weird get going!
DrGonzo wrote:Tommy,
The internet is a real wishy washy place for property and image rights..... but the moment you print an image on a piece of paper or fabric you're in a whole legal minefield regarding permission.
Any Lawyer that can see a payday will take a case.... doesn't matter how ridiculous it seems to you or I.
You're crazy if you think that either Phil or Tony....
Thanx 4 the comments Doc, I do know that TK and Dr Phil aint gonna be at 420, i do know a wind up when I see it
But seriously the T shirts are goin ahead I`ve got a lot of interest locally and many online friends that are very interested.
Theres also gonna be some free 1s available at this years hemp expo, well theyre not exactly free theyre either gonna be competion prizes or raffle prizes, me and phil r sortin out the details.
As 4 a lawsuit against me, don`t make me laugh, any1 that knows Tommy G properly knows his catologue of crime, my past mistermeaners include GBH, sellin various class A and other drugs, perverting the cause of justice, warehose robberies, handling stolen goods, numerous driving offences, DVD piracy and a few more crimes which I don`t wish 2 disclose on here. We worked out my crimes 1 day and by rights I should be locked up for 14 years and guess what I only ever served 2 months in Leicster nick 8 years ago. I got a shit hot brief, a shit hot barrister not 2 mention numerous medical reports and a wicked court liason officer.
Believe me pal if I got a law suit against me I would piss myself cos it wouldn`t be the first time. 2 years ago me and my bro had a website sellin pirate wrestling DVD`s, we earned big bucks off this then we had a law suit off the official WWE distributer Silvervision tryin 2 sue us for $500000 so we jus took the money, shut the site down and heard no more about it.
U see what i`m tryin 2 say is don`t try and give me no scare stories about legal procedings against me, ur talkin 2 some1 that just don`t give a fuck about trouble, believe me if i had a lawsuit drop thru my letterbox I`d go straight 2 the press and make these people look really fuckin stupid. U could imagine the headline in the Sun or Daily Star; Paranoid Scitzophrenic sued 4 printin T shirts. We`d all be fuckin famous every1 would be checkin out the ACD, Lemming will be a millionare, Twitch would be in Howard Marx territory, Tony Kan would get his own TV show, Dr Phill would write another book and Tommy G would be the acceptable face of mental illness, damn my pussy count will rise dude.
So on a final note jus roll with it dude and chill, don`t take life 2 seriously, live every day like its ur last 1 and join in the fun. And 2 all the haters out there on the ACD, don`t fight us, come and join us, we`re actually doin this 2 promote 420 culture, we aint takin the piss out of anybody, please don`t think that, 2 my old friends on here that don`t talk 2 me no more cos I was down with TK and Dr Phil, get in touch dudes I aint mad atcha, I love all of ya and want us 2 be friends again.
1 more thing, any1 that wants 2 show their support 2 this project drop me a PM and show ur support, lets kick start 420 culture and make ACD the best site on the web.
Tommy G AKA Ajax Tommy
always keepin it real
Peace and Love 2 everybody, even the haters out there, I love all of ya
If this was a nicer place in its early days then it was down to you. It wasn’t because I was policing it. I have neither the time nor the inclination to be a policeman. If I appoint others to act as policemen then I’ll still get called in to arbitrate so that wouldn’t help either.
In the early days I was very impressed with the collective will that kept things civilised. Conflicts were diffused by levelheaded people with exceptional diplomacy. It is within your power to recreate that atmosphere. For instance, if someone appears rude, reply by being extra polite. If that doesn’t work, ignore them.
Some may wish to create a small clique of like-minded people by hounding out anyone they don’t like. Whilst I can see a place for a small group of mates to have a meeting place, that’s not really what this is. This is an extension of the ACD used by a wide variety of people with only one thing in common, coffeeshops.
There is a place here for those wanting to review coffeeshops, those wanting to have a serious debate about politics and those just wanting to have a laugh. Just like in the real world, we have to learn to live together.
Very reluctantly I have intervened on Twitch’s behalf. Hopefully he will back cheerfully writing about coffeeshop-related stuff soon and a line can be drawn under that unfortunate episode. Please don’t ask me to make a habit of such interventions.
One last thing, Tommy, I don’t expect for a moment that these t-shirt will ever become a reality but don’t you think it might be better to drop it?
Right, I think that’s enough serious stuff for me. Can we all get back to smiling and close this thread now?
In the early days I was very impressed with the collective will that kept things civilised. Conflicts were diffused by levelheaded people with exceptional diplomacy. It is within your power to recreate that atmosphere. For instance, if someone appears rude, reply by being extra polite. If that doesn’t work, ignore them.
Some may wish to create a small clique of like-minded people by hounding out anyone they don’t like. Whilst I can see a place for a small group of mates to have a meeting place, that’s not really what this is. This is an extension of the ACD used by a wide variety of people with only one thing in common, coffeeshops.
There is a place here for those wanting to review coffeeshops, those wanting to have a serious debate about politics and those just wanting to have a laugh. Just like in the real world, we have to learn to live together.
Very reluctantly I have intervened on Twitch’s behalf. Hopefully he will back cheerfully writing about coffeeshop-related stuff soon and a line can be drawn under that unfortunate episode. Please don’t ask me to make a habit of such interventions.
One last thing, Tommy, I don’t expect for a moment that these t-shirt will ever become a reality but don’t you think it might be better to drop it?
Right, I think that’s enough serious stuff for me. Can we all get back to smiling and close this thread now?
Tommy.
I wasn't trying to scare anyone... merely stating the pitfalls.
As it stands you're willing to break the law and upset Twitch in one single swoop, I'd have thought the later would be a great reason for not doing it.
You display your criminal record like you're proud of it..... surely not... surely you've put those days behind you...... if you haven't then you have my pity, just because the law and justice are two dfferent things doesn't mean you should still flout it.... just because you'll probably get away with it.
You reap what you sew..... just be careful you don't sew too much.
I wasn't trying to scare anyone... merely stating the pitfalls.
As it stands you're willing to break the law and upset Twitch in one single swoop, I'd have thought the later would be a great reason for not doing it.
You display your criminal record like you're proud of it..... surely not... surely you've put those days behind you...... if you haven't then you have my pity, just because the law and justice are two dfferent things doesn't mean you should still flout it.... just because you'll probably get away with it.
You reap what you sew..... just be careful you don't sew too much.
When the going gets weird, the weird get going!