to all my british cyber friends...
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cattales1960
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to all my british cyber friends...
hey sorry about your sailors off the coast of IRAN.. I will truly keep them in my thoughts. Dont know all the details but it looks like IRAN is trying to push britian and of course the US will also step into help.
I need a miracle everyday
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SoenderbronX_DK
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Oh, sorry. I figured anyone who hadn't caught the most recent one would have just kind of assumed because of how VP Daniels was talking about it for the last three episodes. I hope I didn't spoil it for you. ='( You're going to the 'Dam real soon though, aren't you? Try to smoke enough to forget I said it. =D
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SoenderbronX_DK
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It is kind of hard pointing to a country anywhere on the planet and saying “Look, asshole free, 100 %, guaranteed” without being a freaking liar… And yes, there are some fucked up people out there, even in most western countries, take the religious nutball running the states…
But Iran is entirely different. I could name countless examples that would all ensure any free country the right to unilateral action at their own discretion. A state’s sole moral justification is its function as a protector of individual rights; anything else is but a consequence or corollary. Iran is the single leading violator of individual rights, it is a theocratic hell on earth were conformation to the literal meaning of the qua’ran is your only chance of survival (and that is not living!). It is a place run by clinically insane religious fanatics, this has been testified by many independent sources, can’t really be bother digging up a reference but it should be perfectly clear. The constitution of Iran is quite literally the qua’ran (it is based firmly on it). This means that Iran has no status as a sovereign state (see above) and thus any sovereign state has the ethical foundation of unilateral action, although this is by no means an obligation only a right. The destruction of Israel (the only state in the middle-east with a constitution ensuring individual rights, but Israel is a different debate) is the stated goal of Iran, as is the establishment of a world wide nation governed by Islamic law. This is not paranoia or islamophobia (which is a serious allegation to make if you are not a medical practitioner, a phobia is per definition a clinically defined neuroses) but the stated goals of leading figures within the government and priest-rulers of Iran. Watch movies such as Obsession and The Root of all evil for very unambiguous documentation of this. To turn this around a bit, what one aspect of Iran does merit a purely pacifistic stance? In my opinion there are none! I would actually prefer soviet Russia when it was worst to theocratic Iran, and I for one value freedom above all and believe that without it you are better of dead, thus better dead than red…
I might have been rash in my statement; I did not mean to imply that we should H-bomb the entire region, but that the use of tactical precision nuclear ordinances to eliminate key points of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, the basis of their nuclear program and other high value-low collateral damage targets is a far more desirable solution than an all out war and “regime change”, which would be exactly that, one regime of terror replaced by another.
Mind you that the allies during the second world used strategic bombing of civilians against both Germany and Japan, this is not what I am advocating in this case, however there are situations that merit such action, and the philosophy of radical Islam is entirely as evil as the national-socialist philosophies that led to Hitler’s terror rule of Europe. The actions taken against the nonconforming part of Iran’s population speak for them selves, one has but to mention the public hangings of pre-teen boys for homosexuality, the oppression of women and freedom in general and the persecution of minorities to make this quite evident. The actions taken by Iran in furthering, establishing and supporting international Islamic terror groups (as well as their link to many others) clearly merit any action a free country should chose to take, and is massively, independently documented.
Let’s not get into a discussion as to how much freedom we enjoy in the western world and the general sad state of the world, there is a distinct and clear difference between “us and them” (not necessarily to put it in those terms) which IMO is clear to all but the most deluded and irrational. Instead, if you should chose to do so, engage me in the specific topic (i.e. Iran).
SBX_DK
On the other hand, I might be mistaken, it has been mentioned that “24” has predicted things to come, and the almighty wisdom of the politics of such series should be evident to everyone
Let’s be glad we enjoy so many freedoms and are able to discuss this without an immediate and quite real fear for our lives, others do not enjoy such basic freedoms, light it up guys and girls!
But Iran is entirely different. I could name countless examples that would all ensure any free country the right to unilateral action at their own discretion. A state’s sole moral justification is its function as a protector of individual rights; anything else is but a consequence or corollary. Iran is the single leading violator of individual rights, it is a theocratic hell on earth were conformation to the literal meaning of the qua’ran is your only chance of survival (and that is not living!). It is a place run by clinically insane religious fanatics, this has been testified by many independent sources, can’t really be bother digging up a reference but it should be perfectly clear. The constitution of Iran is quite literally the qua’ran (it is based firmly on it). This means that Iran has no status as a sovereign state (see above) and thus any sovereign state has the ethical foundation of unilateral action, although this is by no means an obligation only a right. The destruction of Israel (the only state in the middle-east with a constitution ensuring individual rights, but Israel is a different debate) is the stated goal of Iran, as is the establishment of a world wide nation governed by Islamic law. This is not paranoia or islamophobia (which is a serious allegation to make if you are not a medical practitioner, a phobia is per definition a clinically defined neuroses) but the stated goals of leading figures within the government and priest-rulers of Iran. Watch movies such as Obsession and The Root of all evil for very unambiguous documentation of this. To turn this around a bit, what one aspect of Iran does merit a purely pacifistic stance? In my opinion there are none! I would actually prefer soviet Russia when it was worst to theocratic Iran, and I for one value freedom above all and believe that without it you are better of dead, thus better dead than red…
I might have been rash in my statement; I did not mean to imply that we should H-bomb the entire region, but that the use of tactical precision nuclear ordinances to eliminate key points of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, the basis of their nuclear program and other high value-low collateral damage targets is a far more desirable solution than an all out war and “regime change”, which would be exactly that, one regime of terror replaced by another.
Mind you that the allies during the second world used strategic bombing of civilians against both Germany and Japan, this is not what I am advocating in this case, however there are situations that merit such action, and the philosophy of radical Islam is entirely as evil as the national-socialist philosophies that led to Hitler’s terror rule of Europe. The actions taken against the nonconforming part of Iran’s population speak for them selves, one has but to mention the public hangings of pre-teen boys for homosexuality, the oppression of women and freedom in general and the persecution of minorities to make this quite evident. The actions taken by Iran in furthering, establishing and supporting international Islamic terror groups (as well as their link to many others) clearly merit any action a free country should chose to take, and is massively, independently documented.
Let’s not get into a discussion as to how much freedom we enjoy in the western world and the general sad state of the world, there is a distinct and clear difference between “us and them” (not necessarily to put it in those terms) which IMO is clear to all but the most deluded and irrational. Instead, if you should chose to do so, engage me in the specific topic (i.e. Iran).
SBX_DK
On the other hand, I might be mistaken, it has been mentioned that “24” has predicted things to come, and the almighty wisdom of the politics of such series should be evident to everyone
Let’s be glad we enjoy so many freedoms and are able to discuss this without an immediate and quite real fear for our lives, others do not enjoy such basic freedoms, light it up guys and girls!
Who is John Galt?
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SoenderbronX_DK
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Mark_d: That is exactly one of my points, an invasion, which is inevitable if things are allowed to continue, would mean a prolonged engagement costing thousands of our boys and more than likely a lot of more shit than is currently going on in Iraq, a swift and ruthless strike against isolated military targets would not only seriously limit Iran’s capabilities to endanger any foreign nation, could be a catalyst for an internal regime change and would clearly demonstrate our resolve to the rest of the enemies of freedom outside the western world, thus allowing us to concentrate a bit on the enemies we have to battle within…
SBX_DK
SBX_DK
Who is John Galt?
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SoenderbronX_DK
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